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    Good words, Makers, even if you're strolling the line on SFB verbage.

    Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but for clarification, it appears the EVI dude's intention wasn't necessarily to ski Old Mans (just the "safe" Old Mans trees). It seems like his intention was just to cut the gut to play with the snowpack. Fuck me... that's some scary shit, especially solo. Definitely punching the dragon in the teeth and trying to run away.



    Quote Originally Posted by JoeStrummer View Post
    I can't decide who I find more irritating, all the Jewish grandmothers on this site who think you will get killed at the trailhead on a 4/5 day, or the self-appointed Jedi Knights who read some Tremper on the crapper and think they are the Stephen Hawking of Snowpack. But after reading the claptrap above, I think it's the latter.
    +1

    They're not just here, they've infiltrated my Facebook too. A buddy and I were talking about checking out a few mellow tree lines in the gut right off the road at LL pass on Monday morning (never opened, bummer). We were using Faceebook since the Georgetown cell tower was out. A retard who shall not be named decided to butt into the conversation with this gem:
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    Really?!? You read the news last night/this morning and thought it would be a good idea to even discuss skiing backcountry today? Don't be a fucking idiot.
    Even funnier is that he's spent almost every ski day of this season in the terrain park and posting Epic Mix photos with his bro-brahs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post
    We were using Faceebook since the Georgetown cell tower was out. A retard who shall not be named decided to butt into the conversation with this gem:

    Even funnier is that he's spent almost every day of this season in the terrain park.
    Let's get real, and come out with it fuckhead. You and your partner seem to think skiing compaction = sure sign of safety. Hope Darwin doesn't beat your head in the ass. Keep posting about your fucking "sluffalanches", every time you drop some 15-20' rock, everytime you ski a super rad line while forgetting to film it.... yeah, don't forget to tell us all that you did forget to film your awesome escapades. Because EVERYONE is dying to see the footage.

    The way the snowpack has been, I have no reason to be anywhere but the terrain park until it snows, and when it does, I'll be hounding the powder within the confides of in-bounds terrain. My risk tolerance is as high as anyone else's but I know when it's not worth it, and right now and likely for a month, it won't be worth it. You've been at this game for what, a year or two and already you're an expert? Keep telling people about whumpfing, how shitty the pack is, how no one but you and your partners should be out there only to go out yourselves. Snow is sliding in tight trees at barely 20 degrees, so yeah, when some fuckhead is claiming skiing compaction at Loveland Pass to be the same at the resort AND THAT MEANS IT'S SAFE... newsflash, IT FUCKING AIN'T. But keep at it because the comedic value is sky high.

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    Not E. Vail but scary shit nevertheless. This is akin to rolling rocks down a mountainside and opps, shit someone could have been in that terrain trap. Sorry dude we were just doing our part in the name of personal avalanche control.

    By Brandon Zimmerman, Jackson Hole, Wyo.
    January 25, 2012

    A skier triggered a huge avalanche down the southeast face of Taylor Mountain on Tuesday afternoon, covering the Coal Creek trail for 500 yards with debris up to 30 feet deep.
    Skiers and members of the county search and rescue team believe nobody was carried or buried in the slide. The path is just west of Teton Pass, north of Highway 22.
    Earlier in the day, an avalanche carried a snowmobiler down part of Horseshoe Bowl above Phillips Bench and north of Mount Glory. He was partially buried and dug free by companions, according to the Bridger-Teton National Forest Avalanche Center.
    “As today’s avalanche events showed, the weak foundation of this year’s snowpack translates to prolonged periods of instability after new storm events,” the center’s 5 p.m. avalanche report said.
    Forecasters predicted continued “lethal conditions on avalanche-prone terrain” and said slides similar to those on Tuesday should be expected Wednesday.
    David Fischel, who had skied up Coal Creek earlier in the day, stopped in his tracks on his descent Tuesday afternoon. Before him was an avalanche debris pile so big it ran across the drainage and up the opposite hillside.
    “It was huge, just huge,” Fischel said. “It was pretty impressive. The whole bottom of the gully was filled with debris.”
    The slide filled the drainage with trees and snow. Teton County Search and Rescue searched the debris Tuesday afternoon for victims.
    The avalanche center said the crown of the slide was 6 feet deep. The debris took out skiers’ tracks and some of an uphill skin track. It ran over the site where snowboarder Kevin Marriot was buried and killed following a cornice collapse in 1995.
    The creek bottom is the normal exit track for skiers descending Mount Glory to the far west. The slide ran 30 feet up the opposite side of Coal Creek drainage, according to the report.
    The skier who triggered the avalanche, who asked not be identified, told the News&Guide he was with two others when he
    intentionally set off the slide from the south ridge of Taylor Mountain. He is an area resident who said he has more than 20 years of experience skiing the Teton Pass backcountry.
    He said the slide occurred between 1 and 2 p.m.
    “We were making our ski check control work before embarking on our run,” he said. “I intentionally triggered it.
    “But I didn’t intend for it to be so large. I was quite surprised at the size of it.
    “It took [out] four ski runs [tracks] from the night before as well as four ski runs from today,” he said. “It took eight ski runs down with it.”
    The skier was minimally caught in the slide. He skied the rest of the way down to make sure no one was buried, skiing over rocks and exposed terrain along the way.
    Fischel, who lives near Tetonia, Idaho, skied down Coal Creek a short time later to discover the grisly aftermath. He knows the slide could have ended differently for him and others.
    “Fortunately, nobody happened to be down there when that thing slid,” Fischel said. “It would have been a fatality. I’m hoping this will be a lesson for folks who ski up there. They put people like me at risk.”
    The skier who provoked the avalanche expressed relief that no one was believed buried in the slide.
    “We’re very happy no one was in the channel,” he said. “I’m sorry to make one so close to the road. It’s tough, because I consider this my home hill. Unfortunately, we probably won’t be skiing up there the rest of season. It was a full-depth avalanche.”
    Jay Pistono, Teton Pass Ambassador, was on the pass when he saw the dust cloud from the slide. He immediately went to the scene.
    Pistono said the debris ran to within about a quarter-mile from the Coal Creek parking lot. The debris was 30 to 40 feet deep in places, he said.
    Like others on the scene, Pistono was amazed no one was injured.
    “It’s a matter of luck no one was there,” Pistono said. “A lot of people ski there.”
    The Bridger-Teton Avalanche Center was reporting “considerable” avalanche danger Tuesday. A winter storm last week brought between 4 and 6 feet of snow to the Tetons. Another round of snow dropped an additional 4 to 8 inches Monday evening and Tuesday morning.
    The center said avalanche danger will continue to be considerable in the Tetons through today. It updates forecasts twice daily on its website, www.jhavalanche.org, and by phone at 307-733-2664.
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    Thanks for coming out of the closet.

    Quote Originally Posted by PappaG View Post
    You and your partner seem to think skiing compaction = sure sign of safety.
    Did I ever say that? No. It does play a role, but of course it doesn't mean a sure sign of safety. The type of skier compaction that happens down the main guts at LL pass is identical to the kind that happens at a resort (they've been icy luge courses many times this year). Thus, your main concern becomes new snow and windload. You get out there, and check out how much new snow there is and make your decision based on that and other factors. You never go out there with a decision already made.

    Quote Originally Posted by PappaG View Post
    You've been at this game for what, a year or two and already you're an expert?
    No, I've been posting on TGR for a year or two. My ski career (backcountry and other) did not begin with TGR, buddy. Maybe yours did, but we're all not the same. My backcountry education began as a little kid in the PNW with my uncle. And no, I don't claim to be an expert.

    Quote Originally Posted by PappaG View Post
    how no one but you and your partners should be out there only to go out yourselves.
    I've never told other people what to do. I've only said it's sketchy and reported what I've seen. I let people make their own decisions.

    Quote Originally Posted by PappaG View Post
    Snow is sliding in tight trees at barely 20 degrees
    Now that's comedic value. Consequence is also a factor in risk-based decision making. Did you ever take L1? It's not just about probability. That's fine if you want to make all your decisions based on probability, but to expect everyone to do the same is pretty arrogant.


    OHH... and in no way am I going to apologize for being stoked about what I've been skiing this year and wanting to share my excitement with others. You don't have to read it. Thanks for the personal attack, though. Way to keep it mature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PappaG View Post
    Let's get real, and come out with it fuckhead. You and your partner seem to think skiing compaction = sure sign of safety. Hope Darwin doesn't beat your head in the ass. Keep posting about your fucking "sluffalanches", every time you drop some 15-20' rock, everytime you ski a super rad line while forgetting to film it.... yeah, don't forget to tell us all that you did forget to film your awesome escapades. Because EVERYONE is dying to see the footage.

    The way the snowpack has been, I have no reason to be anywhere but the terrain park until it snows, and when it does, I'll be hounding the powder within the confides of in-bounds terrain. My risk tolerance is as high as anyone else's but I know when it's not worth it, and right now and likely for a month, it won't be worth it. You've been at this game for what, a year or two and already you're an expert? Keep telling people about whumpfing, how shitty the pack is, how no one but you and your partners should be out there only to go out yourselves. Snow is sliding in tight trees at barely 20 degrees, so yeah, when some fuckhead is claiming skiing compaction at Loveland Pass to be the same at the resort AND THAT MEANS IT'S SAFE... newsflash, IT FUCKING AIN'T. But keep at it because the comedic value is sky high.
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    wow...that teton avy story is scary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by montanaskier View Post
    wow...that teton avy story is scary.
    Yeah, Coal Creek isn't exactly a tight little drainage.

    I can live with trying to kill myself but if someone unleashed that upon me and I survived, Keyzer Soze would look like a menopausal Sunday school teacher compared to what I would rain down upon that dumb motherfucker and his family.
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    And yet, it's not like the guy who unleashed it did so with explosives. He intentionally triggered it, sure, but it was there to be triggered. And people merrily cruising through the runout without awareness of the danger that lurked above them don't really have the moral high ground to be pissed at him. Would they be pissed if that same avalanche had been triggered just by someone skiing? And are we all in the wrong for ski cutting a slope?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    And yet, it's not like the guy who unleashed it did so with explosives. He intentionally triggered it, sure, but it was there to be triggered. And people merrily cruising through the runout without awareness of the danger that lurked above them don't really have the moral high ground to be pissed at him. Would they be pissed if that same avalanche had been triggered just by someone skiing? And are we all in the wrong for ski cutting a slope?
    On purpose or accidental, this is one of the main issues with Teton Pass and other popular and easily accessible "playgrounds".

    And well, between 1 and 2 o'clock above a drainage that is often choked with living, breathing human beings isn't the best form, now is it?
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    ^^^^ no but I'm relitively certain I could sure as hell go make almost any steep slope on the bcc lcc ridgeline go not sure if that form of avvy migation is gonna make me a more savvy bc traveler or really do much for the snowpack.
    but hey my spewtube channel might get more hits or get your ob on the uac page.
    i'm just glad the wasatch powder turds aren't still flyin around performing explosive slope stability testing.
    Aint much round here a 2lber noot gonna rip probably wall to wall.
    The wasatch is a pretty crowded place to notthink about the possible consequences vrs. just droppin cornices or stompin rollovers on a shit snowpack that you should damn well know or have a pretty good clue as to whats gonna happen. Damn i didn't think the worst snowpack i've seen was gonna go that big is pretty moronic imo.
    Now if if you were gonna ski it or needed a bed surface safe out or were 100% positive that there could be no one in the runout zone a little different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    And yet, it's not like the guy who unleashed it did so with explosives. He intentionally triggered it, sure, but it was there to be triggered. And people merrily cruising through the runout without awareness of the danger that lurked above them don't really have the moral high ground to be pissed at him. Would they be pissed if that same avalanche had been triggered just by someone skiing? And are we all in the wrong for ski cutting a slope?
    I didn't say I had the moral high ground, I said I would hire some Armenians to torture everyone he ever loved. While he watched with his feet in a pail of water and jumper cables attached to his nipples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunion View Post
    Not E. Vail but scary shit nevertheless. This is akin to rolling rocks down a mountainside and opps, shit someone could have been in that terrain trap. Sorry dude we were just doing our part in the name of personal avalanche control.
    Scary to think what would have happened if the slope had not gone. Sounds like he sure as shit would have skied it. Him and his buddies down in the drainage, and their last buddy triggers in some shallow spot, goes for a ride, killing them all. Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post
    Scary to think what would have happened if the slope had not gone. Sounds like he sure as shit would have skied it. Him and his buddies down in the drainage, and their last buddy triggers in some shallow spot, goes for a ride, killing them all. Jesus.
    That's sort of my point. He's an asshole for doing what he did, when if he didn't do that, perhaps he'd be a dead non-asshole? I'm not sure I understand.

    Hopefully no Armenians show up on my doorstep for being so clueless.
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    All the misconceptions about ski cuts are frightening. I had a lengthy email exchange with EVI three days ago on that point. I've posted about ski cuts in the past. I think ill write a posting about it for general consumption tomorrow. Makers, in other threads _Aaron_ and tonecapone have made great posts.

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    EVI took the now infamous tagline off their site header.

    Good move!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    I've posted about ski cuts in the past. I think ill write a posting about it for general consumption tomorrow.
    I'd read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    That's sort of my point. He's an asshole for doing what he did, when if he didn't do that, perhaps he'd be a dead non-asshole? I'm not sure I understand.
    i think the guy was extremely selfish. he wants to ski THAT LINE, on THAT DAY, and he KNOWS he may trigger something. Based on results all around the West, he knows it might go big too. Yet, as he takes his own safety as first priority (which he should, imo), he ignores what may be potential deadly consequences for his actions. His actions could very well have caused the deaths of others and imnsfho, it's something that people should think about, whether it's in the BC, in their cars or walking down the street.

    I don't care how long this douchebag has been at it - his selfishness is unforgivable. I'm just glad he didn't kill someone...or 20 people!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmedslc View Post
    i think the guy was extremely selfish. he wants to ski THAT LINE, on THAT DAY, and he KNOWS he may trigger something. Based on results all around the West, he knows it might go big too. Yet, as he takes his own safety as first priority (which he should, imo), he ignores what may be potential deadly consequences for his actions. His actions could very well have caused the deaths of others and imnsfho, it's something that people should think about, whether it's in the BC, in their cars or walking down the street.

    I don't care how long this douchebag has been at it - his selfishness is unforgivable. I'm just glad he didn't kill someone...or 20 people!
    I'm not trying to play devil's advocate, I'm really trying to understand the vehemence here. Are you saying that he simply should not have skied it at all because others (below) might not expect it to slide? If so, is there ever a time to ski this line? Only when he thinks it won't slide (and what if it still does, avalanches are tricky stuff)? And what responsibility do people skiing in the potential runout of the slide path bear? Should they always ski it freely, and all the responsibility is upon the people at the top of the slope?

    I don't know this area, and perhaps an understanding of its topography would help, but I guess I'm just not clear on this whole thing.
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    This thread has turned into something I wasn't expecting...just saying.

    Good discussions, for the most part. As for PappaG and Lindahl, you both sound like scorned 13 year old girls...but I like both of you, so continue.
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    PappaG and Lindahl........SKI OFF
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    Chinese downhill?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunion View Post
    Not E. Vail but scary shit nevertheless. This is akin to rolling rocks down a mountainside and opps, shit someone could have been in that terrain trap. Sorry dude we were just doing our part in the name of personal avalanche control.

    By Brandon Zimmerman, Jackson Hole, Wyo.
    January 25, 2012

    A skier triggered a huge avalanche down the southeast face of Taylor Mountain on Tuesday afternoon, covering the Coal Creek trail for 500 yards with debris up to 30 feet deep.
    Skiers and members of the county search and rescue team believe nobody was carried or buried in the slide. The path is just west of Teton Pass, north of Highway 22.
    Earlier in the day, an avalanche carried a snowmobiler down part of Horseshoe Bowl above Phillips Bench and north of Mount Glory. He was partially buried and dug free by companions, according to the Bridger-Teton National Forest Avalanche Center.
    “As today’s avalanche events showed, the weak foundation of this year’s snowpack translates to prolonged periods of instability after new storm events,” the center’s 5 p.m. avalanche report said.
    Forecasters predicted continued “lethal conditions on avalanche-prone terrain” and said slides similar to those on Tuesday should be expected Wednesday.
    David Fischel, who had skied up Coal Creek earlier in the day, stopped in his tracks on his descent Tuesday afternoon. Before him was an avalanche debris pile so big it ran across the drainage and up the opposite hillside.
    “It was huge, just huge,” Fischel said. “It was pretty impressive. The whole bottom of the gully was filled with debris.”
    The slide filled the drainage with trees and snow. Teton County Search and Rescue searched the debris Tuesday afternoon for victims.
    The avalanche center said the crown of the slide was 6 feet deep. The debris took out skiers’ tracks and some of an uphill skin track. It ran over the site where snowboarder Kevin Marriot was buried and killed following a cornice collapse in 1995.
    The creek bottom is the normal exit track for skiers descending Mount Glory to the far west. The slide ran 30 feet up the opposite side of Coal Creek drainage, according to the report.
    The skier who triggered the avalanche, who asked not be identified, told the News&Guide he was with two others when he
    intentionally set off the slide from the south ridge of Taylor Mountain. He is an area resident who said he has more than 20 years of experience skiing the Teton Pass backcountry.
    He said the slide occurred between 1 and 2 p.m.
    “We were making our ski check control work before embarking on our run,” he said. “I intentionally triggered it.
    “But I didn’t intend for it to be so large. I was quite surprised at the size of it.
    “It took [out] four ski runs [tracks] from the night before as well as four ski runs from today,” he said. “It took eight ski runs down with it.”
    The skier was minimally caught in the slide. He skied the rest of the way down to make sure no one was buried, skiing over rocks and exposed terrain along the way.
    Fischel, who lives near Tetonia, Idaho, skied down Coal Creek a short time later to discover the grisly aftermath. He knows the slide could have ended differently for him and others.
    “Fortunately, nobody happened to be down there when that thing slid,” Fischel said. “It would have been a fatality. I’m hoping this will be a lesson for folks who ski up there. They put people like me at risk.”
    The skier who provoked the avalanche expressed relief that no one was believed buried in the slide.
    “We’re very happy no one was in the channel,” he said. “I’m sorry to make one so close to the road. It’s tough, because I consider this my home hill. Unfortunately, we probably won’t be skiing up there the rest of season. It was a full-depth avalanche.”
    Jay Pistono, Teton Pass Ambassador, was on the pass when he saw the dust cloud from the slide. He immediately went to the scene.
    Pistono said the debris ran to within about a quarter-mile from the Coal Creek parking lot. The debris was 30 to 40 feet deep in places, he said.
    Like others on the scene, Pistono was amazed no one was injured.
    “It’s a matter of luck no one was there,” Pistono said. “A lot of people ski there.”
    The Bridger-Teton Avalanche Center was reporting “considerable” avalanche danger Tuesday. A winter storm last week brought between 4 and 6 feet of snow to the Tetons. Another round of snow dropped an additional 4 to 8 inches Monday evening and Tuesday morning.
    The center said avalanche danger will continue to be considerable in the Tetons through today. It updates forecasts twice daily on its website, www.jhavalanche.org, and by phone at 307-733-2664.
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    good god at the size of that thing....that is unreal. CRAZY lucky that nobody was killed in that thing.
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    Wow, there are a lot of tracks heading into that slide. The guy might have saved somebody's life by making it slide when it did, rather than having it triggered by a skier in the middle of it.
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