Thread: Death sucks: Don't be that guy

Originally Posted by Millsie

This morning on the WGN news in Chicago, they had a story about a young guy that just died in an avalanche in Colorado. Left behind a wife and 2 kids under 3. From the pics it looked like the Vail area and how he had lived out there for a number of years and really loved skiing. My first comment to my wife is what the fuck was he doing out in the high risk conditions with a yound family. Guys wife is crying that he'll never know his children. Should have thought about that before he went out.

The man you're referring to died inbounds at Winter Park.

Originally Posted by rideit

At this rate, people are going to start packing their own charges. It's inevitable.

haha, funny, but i can see it now:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
"Black Diamond Equipment (SL, UT) releases first ever Avalanche Mitigation Kit! Complete with cornice stomping/cutting tools, Go-Pro helmet cam and Gaz-X Slope Shatterer! Yours for a cool $1199. Stop by Wasatch Central for an on-snow demo. Liability umbrella not included."

The Mayor of East Vail Bio and 1/25/12 Report

Meet the man who defines grace under pressure. If you’ve been screamed at while minding your own business up in EV, he is your man. An established photographer who still feels the need to be the biggest blowhard in the history of EV, he has been exploiting the EV zone for years for his own benefit and looking for unsuspecting travelers to unleash his enormous ego and wealth of snow safety knowledge on you in his own special way.

Ironically, he got his ass handed to him in CDC. Now he likes to ski Tweeners and yell at people across the valley about what they are doing wrong. No doubt he has perfected the profile sunset pow shot and ridden that donkey to the ground, but he still persists, like a bad weak layer in the snowpack. Although his list of bad backcountry decisions is as long as his photo credits, he is the definitive voice in EV.

Here’s to you mayor of EV! Self- elected to the fourteenth consecutive term. Master of all he sees and you as well if you venture into his district! Step aside and show him the proper respect!

He represents everything that is wrong in EV. Period.

Sorry all I could think about when reading this was "Real Man of Genius" and the tune playing in my head.

So I guess I'll chime in after seeing the ridiculous reaction to my post. First off EVI is an institute like TGR is a gravity research company, never billed as anything else. Come on, doesn't anyone else see that? As far a my suicidal ski cut. I was roped in according to Jeff Cricco's CIAC report? No. Middle of the bowl? No. I skied fifty feet from a ridge to a tree and touched a part of the slab by a cliff where I have seen it trigger many times before. It resembled nothing like a patrol cut to control insabilitiites across a face. 14 years and 1000 runs back there and I have to listen to shit talk from people that don't know. Hate talk and handwringing is all I hear. I never advocated it for anyone else to do and did it based on my own experience of the area and time in. I took the risk knowingly and did it on my own. I put noone else's life at risk. Otherwise I was just telling a story of a run I took and never glorified it. As far as the personal shit in the forum, I'd rather be skiing, thanks.

This could go one of two ways, kind ignoring or gasoline thrown on a campfire.

Pass the Popcorn.

1000 seems to be a popular number

While we're on the topic of rocket surgery, here's another gem from the Wasatch conditions thread...



I think you can second guess people's individual go/no go decisions ad nauseam and in the end it all comes down to "we're all big kids and can make our own decisions." But, i think when you get into this kind of a snow pack and start making decisions that pretty fucking clearly have potential safety implications for everyone else, it's a whole different ball game. The guys in the teton slide pretty clearly communicated in their super-well-spoken comments that they did not anticipate that slide was going to rip that big. If they did, they definitely didn't give me the impression that it even crossed their minds that they were about to flood a heavily trafficked drainage with 40 feet of concrete. Looks like more or less the same story with this west monitor business.

Look, if you want to do any of this stuff with generally self-endangering implications, I could not possibly give less of a shit. Even the near-miss video of the three guys brilliantly simultaneously meadow skipping in a terrain trap doesn't touch me in my special place. God knows I do plenty of dumb shit myself. But, I don't think it's a real big stretch to understand why some people are inclined to want to punch a motherfucker at the thought of a few train loads of snow maching their way at the hands of some ski-cutting-cornice-kicker waving his avy dick around for the interwebz.

Not that i'm exactly in a hurry to go wander around underneath any of these particular slopes with our stellar snowpack right now, but i'm with SFB on staying the fuck away from all of this noise right now.

The butt hurt is strong with this Martin guy. I like it. Thanks for skiing. Us snowboarder skittle chicks dig it.

What about a good ole fashion schleping? Oh, I know you want it and know that you know what I'm insinuating. You're gaping, wide open.

I'm telling you, you are getting troll baited, but you can't stop - the butt hurt is so hard. You will continue.

Post now. New blog post, puleeeze?

Originally Posted by good4nothing

While we're on the topic of rocket surgery, here's another gem from the Wasatch conditions thread...

She's a little nervouse about where they are standing?....Lucky to be alive is what those two are.

Spare us the smug self righteousness good4nothing.

Originally Posted by martineast

14 years and 1000 runs back there and I have to listen to shit talk from people that don't know

and from people that do know. STOP FUCKING SPRAYING. EVI is a spray, and you are a sprayer, lowest form of brethren.

Originally Posted by rideit

I'm here for you, man.

Schlub is probably what you were looking for.

Or schlemazel.

Yes, if I can paraphrase an old saying about spilling soup: the schlemiel is the person who knocks a slide down on the schlimazel in the skin-track.

Now back to the regularly scheduled shitshow ...

and the EVI has joined the party....14 years and 1k runs.....now who's the mayor of EV?

In regards to the actions at EV and West Monitors. Webster defines a phrase that sums it up -Russian roulette, a type of duel or act of bravado preformed with a gun loaded with one bullet. Pull the trigger five times and nothing happens, but the sixth one is going to hurt. Go ahead and do that shit in the remote backcountry, but in crowded places like the central Wasangles throttle back on amature avalanche mitigation please.

Originally Posted by wasatchcrawler

In regards to the actions at EV and West Monitors. Webster defines a phrase that sums it up -Russian roulette, a type of duel or act of bravado preformed with a gun loaded with one bullet. Pull the trigger five times and nothing happens, but the sixth one is going to hurt. Go ahead and do that shit in the remote backcountry, but in crowded places like the central Wasangles throttle back on amature avalanche mitigation please.

I loved the ladies commentary, if I hadn't been watching the video I would be certain it was a sex tape.

Originally Posted by Bunion

I loved the ladies commentary, if I hadn't been watching the video I would be certain it was a sex tape.

that is what makes that vid awesome

be like "that guy" in red not wanderin round cluelessly with a goes pros on a stick

Originally Posted by Bunion

I loved the ladies commentary, if I hadn't been watching the video I would be certain it was a sex tape.

I've heard far shittier sex tapes on the interwebz. That's worth using to dub over at least 60% of the amateur porn out there. Nothing quite like hearing the O face

I like how she told her partner not to curse because it was "videoing" then cussed it up when it ripped. Great vid


Don't blame me I voted for JoJo

Originally Posted by good4nothing

While we're on the topic of rocket surgery, here's another gem from the Wasatch conditions thread...

ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT! what a voice too...

Here's some more swearing during a slide. What's everyone's opinion on paid fed's kicking these off in the middle of wasangeles? Is OK for them?... Me, I'd rather hear the Monitor chick O swearing than my favorite forecasters.

This is where I think the skiers responsibility code applies in the backcountry and in avalanche exploration. TreeBark says...Sure, you should not be down below in the runout. But the idea that you should not purposely trigger a slide in an area before you are positive it is free of people takes precedence.

http://utahavalanchecenter.org/avala...s_fork_1202012

Dude unless they go causein avvies how will we know high means high?

Originally Posted by ropeless420

and from people that do know. STOP FUCKING SPRAYING. EVI is a spray, and you are a sprayer, lowest form of brethren.

Ehh, I don't think insulting him and yelling at him will make him decide, "hey, maybe I should close the site down". I think we're stuck with EVI, unfortunately, and perhaps we should help address the issues we have with it, instead of just bitching about it? It's far more likely we'd be able to mold it into something that isn't a plague on the EV community.

Originally Posted by martineast

So I guess I'll chime in after seeing the ridiculous reaction to my post. First off EVI is an institute like TGR is a gravity research company, never billed as anything else. Come on, doesn't anyone else see that? As far a my suicidal ski cut. I was roped in according to Jeff Cricco's CIAC report? No. Middle of the bowl? No. I skied fifty feet from a ridge to a tree and touched a part of the slab by a cliff where I have seen it trigger many times before. It resembled nothing like a patrol cut to control insabilitiites across a face. 14 years and 1000 runs back there and I have to listen to shit talk from people that don't know. Hate talk and handwringing is all I hear. I never advocated it for anyone else to do and did it based on my own experience of the area and time in. I took the risk knowingly and did it on my own. I put noone else's life at risk. Otherwise I was just telling a story of a run I took and never glorified it. As far as the personal shit in the forum, I'd rather be skiing, thanks.

Yeah, sounded to me like Jeff was addressing someone else he saw.

To me, it was pretty obvious WHAT you were doing. I think what we're all trying to understand is WHY. The risk of this dangerous ski cut is worth it in this area, because ____________________. Fill in the blanks please, and be honest to yourself and us about it.

If you are not putting anyone else in danger, I don't think you have to justify your risks to anyone. What looks crazy to some, is just plain fun for others. The risk of speed flying down the Eiger is worth it because_______. Mountain athletes have had to answer this question from the public for eons. Starting with Mallory and the best answer ever..."Because it's there".

...But, I guess there are two kinds of risk takers... the dumbass kind who don't even know they are taking a risk and the thoughtful, calculated, experienced kind. One is responsible risk the other is not.

Originally Posted by treebark

If you are not putting anyone else in danger, I don't think you have to justify your risks to anyone. What looks crazy to some, is just plain fun for others. The risk of speed flying down the Eiger is worth it because_______. Mountain athletes have had to answer this question from the public for eons. Starting with Mallory and the best answer ever..."Because it's there".

...But, I guess there are two kinds of risk takers... the dumbass kind who don't even know they are taking a risk and the thoughtful, calculated, experienced kind. One is responsible risk the other is not.

I'm not necessarily concerned about putting others in danger in this particular scenario (usually pretty easy to see that the slide path is clear), but it does fuck us on snow depth in that area and doesn't move us in the direction of a safer snowpack.