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Thread: The College Industrial Complex
04-17-2012, 04:50 PM #201
I think Pillsbury was talking about how easy a teachers job is and that the summers off in addition to holidays makes their situation lucrative, unlike 9-5 jobs in the private sector.
04-17-2012, 05:03 PM #202
04-17-2012, 05:17 PM #203
Nope. It doesn't matter in who's bank account the tax payer's money gets deposited, the problem with public education cost is the piss poor return we are getting for our investment.
If we were consistently turning out world class students I doubt many people would be complaining about the cost.it's all young and fun and skiing and then one day you login and it's relationship advice, gomer glacier tours and geezers.
04-17-2012, 05:38 PM #204
Mmmmmm sweat, sweat conservative resentment where college-dopes are the enemy of people who struggle to balance the obligations of holding a job and raising a family in a world of douchebag bosses, dead-end jobs, tight finances, and other social forces mostly unhelpful to people in their position. A world where a few badass conservatives like me can still make bank while everyone else fights for the scraps ....because of the libs.
Don't worry tho conservatives are stopping elite college grads and their new world order by solving all the common mans problems. If the solution has not reached YOU yet ..it's because the payoff is still trickling down. Be patient!!
Cause’ once the libs are purged, first against the wall: Learning is fundamental….ushering In: karate lessons and gutting the school system of all those uppity teachers.
04-17-2012, 05:48 PM #205"You damn colonials and your herds of tax write off dressage ponies". PNWBrit
04-17-2012, 05:59 PM #206
04-17-2012, 06:27 PM #207
Hey, what fun! I just started going through the college finacial canard. Guess what??
Yup, The government rewards the irresponsible and fucks the responsible!
Hey guys, whatever you do, don't save a cent if you have a kids. Spend it all or the schools will just take it when the time comes.
If you piss away all your money you can grovel like a welfare queen for government scraps.
It's a Win Win!!!I've been to two state fairs and a goat fuck and never seen anything like this!!
04-17-2012, 08:25 PM #208
04-17-2012, 08:36 PM #209Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
04-17-2012, 08:46 PM #210
An alias trying to wax serious ? Again boring, man you need a drink or blow a bowl or something. This just sucks. So either you're just stupid and can't understand what I said or you just couldn't find anything funny to say even from the safety of your alias. I'm disappointed man, disappointed.
Oh yeah, don't have to worry about paying the mortgage and paying for college both son and daughter got academic scholarships, saved my ass about $160k over 6 years.
And to think they're the product of a non union, public school system where the teachers are paid fairly and don't strike cause the union whispers in their ears that they're getting fucked."You damn colonials and your herds of tax write off dressage ponies". PNWBrit
04-17-2012, 08:50 PM #211
04-17-2012, 08:55 PM #212
On a sidenote, a lot of conservatives I've talked to want to have a voucher system where they are alotted the funds they contribute to education via tax $$ and can spend that on sending their child to either public or private school. The obvious problem is that private schools can discriminate for a variety of reasons such as excluding ESL and special-needs children, thus keeping thier costs lower while providing what often appears to be supperior education, higher testing scores, etc. The voucher system doesn't seem like it could work to me.Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that
04-17-2012, 09:29 PM #213
04-17-2012, 09:36 PM #214
Now these blahs blahs, you didn't mean bleat bleat did you ? Another of the see and say barnyard characters. Maybe ????
Stick to what yer good at, you'll only give your self a bulging forehead vein if you keep worrying about trying to be serious with your alias posts, really nothing good can come from this. Besides every court needs a fool and you fit that bill. Be the fool , be your destiny."You damn colonials and your herds of tax write off dressage ponies". PNWBrit
04-17-2012, 09:42 PM #215Registered User
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04-18-2012, 08:00 AM #216
Ya know you ask your kids what they learned in school today and they always say "Nothing".
They aren't kidding.I've been to two state fairs and a goat fuck and never seen anything like this!!
04-18-2012, 09:18 AM #217
I have great respect for SOME teachers.
I never said teachers were overpaid. I said SOME teachers are overpaid. The girl I was dating earns 105,000 a year including benefits. According to student review sites she is pretty much a horrible teacher. One of the kids said the only good thing about her class was getting to look at her ass. LOL. Of course, she's tenured, so there is basically nothing the district can do about her, regardless of the level of her incompetence.
My point was mainly that the general public perception that teachers are drastically underpaid is complete nonsense. There is no other profession that puts you in that top 20% that has the public thinking they are underpaid.
And, if you are a teacher and don't think you're earning enough, you're more than welcome to try and get a better paying job in the "real world".
04-20-2012, 09:56 AM #218
The whole argument, mainly from GOPers, that a lot of teachers are overcompensated sort of falls apart when you put the "free market" spin on it. Let's take your ladyfriend's situation...allegedly she makes $105K as a public school K-12 teacher, plus healthcare, retirement and other benefits (if that's factored in I would guess she's making about $125K/year). You're in Washington State correct? I'm pretty sure teachers there are paid similar to teachers in Oregon. Anyhow, why wouldn't more folks pursue a career as a teacher if her situation is typical? Her situation is pretty lucrative compared to the average American. I'd say because she's full of shit, doesn't make that much, and pulled your chain.
I have several friends and a few family memembers that are, or used to be, teachers. Two of my family members retired from teaching K-12 public school education in the last five years. At the end of their careers (both 30+ years in the business), they were pulling in approximately $70K/year plus benefits. With benefits included I think their compensation penciled out to about $86K/year. I don't know about you guys but after 30 years of working in the same business I sure as shit better be making more than $70K/year. Shit, just working in engineering for 11 years I'm making well above that amount now. My friends that are still teaching are looking to get out and find "private sector jobs" as you say. Tenured folks are making around $50K/year and non-tenured are making in the high $30K's to low $40K's, plus bennies. This after about a decade in teaching. All of these examples are from Oregon. A couple of my friends started off teaching in private schools, which pay even worse than public schools here.
Point being I don't buy your argument or the rest of the folks here that are claiming public school teachers are vastly overpaid. That just hasn't been my experience. Are there some cases we can find where someone is overpaid? Sure, but in what business is this not the case?Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that
04-20-2012, 12:01 PM #219
04-20-2012, 12:17 PM #220
"Virginia Teaching Salary and Benefit Information
If you're thinking about becoming a teacher in Virginia, you may be curious about the kind of Virginia teaching salary you can make. As the slogan goes, Virginia is for lovers—but as far as salary goes, Virginia is also for teachers, with the average teacher salary reaching $49,999. That's over $3,000 higher than the average statewide salary.*
Salaries aren't the only reward for becoming a Virginia teacher. The perks of the job are also attractive, making up for the hours spent grading homework assignments and focusing your students on the tasks at hand. Teachers in Virginia Beach, for instance, receive a generous package that includes health and dental plan options, a state retirement plan, sick leave, credit union membership and other benefits.**
That's not the whole story, though, when it comes to your Virginia teaching salary. Factors such as how much experience or education you have can affect how much you make. In some public school districts like Virginia Beach, teachers with a master's degree or doctorate earn an additional annual stipend.**
Virginia teacher salaries also vary depending on what grade level you teach. At the elementary school level, teachers earn an average of $58,842, while middle school teachers earn $59,532.*
Geographic location also has an influence on how much teachers earn, especially in a state like Virginia, which includes both rural communities and cosmopolitan, Washington, D.C.-area cities. Here's a comparison of the Virginia teaching salary for secondary school teachers in five of the largest metropolitan areas in the state:**
Virginia Beach: $55,340""You damn colonials and your herds of tax write off dressage ponies". PNWBrit
04-20-2012, 12:57 PM #221
04-20-2012, 01:16 PM #222Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that
04-20-2012, 04:32 PM #223Education must be the answer, we've tried ignorance and it doesn't work! Wait, nevermind, when you see a liberal using science to advance an idea...grab your wallet and your freedom and run.
04-20-2012, 04:33 PM #224
wait... what were we talking about?Education must be the answer, we've tried ignorance and it doesn't work! Wait, nevermind, when you see a liberal using science to advance an idea...grab your wallet and your freedom and run.
04-20-2012, 06:13 PM #225
Again, I'm not saying that teachers are vastly overpaid, but the 20 year old mantra that teachers are horribly underpaid is patently false.