Thread: The College Industrial Complex

Originally Posted by jfost

YES! They will likely be somewhat better off, either financially, spiritually, or at the very least will have had access to sweet sweet poon for 4 years.

Whatever your regard for universal higher education, I think we can all agree that 4 years of poon on a platter is worth the price tag.

Originally Posted by commonlaw

I actually quite agree with you but think this reference will need to be retired soon as we shouldn't we be shooting for all doctorates in another 50 years. Point being, it is ridiculous to believe we will have a "better" country if we jam as many people into higher education as possible.

We would have a better country if would could prepare everybody to go to college, i.e. teach they to think and give them all the basic skills and knowledge to succeed in college and life. "Jamming" everybody into college is not desirable, preparing them all, if it were even possible, would be very desirable.

The reality of it is not everybody is cut out for college for a variety of reasons, so I know 100% is not a reasonable goal. What is a reasonable goal is to reduce ignorance to it's lowest level, and then we might even have presidential candidates educated enough to understand science and evolution.

As for education inflation, no there will never be a time when everybody should have a doctorate because graduate level is radically different then undergrad, at least it should be. Too much of undergrad is training and less is education these days. That is a not so good thing.

I admit I did not watch the whe video. It was such bullshit from the start that I did not want to waste time on it. Especially since DBT so strongly endorsed it, I was pretty confident it was all propaganda and hype. If it addressed the decrease of education and increase of training in many of today's college it might have some merit. My guess is it did not.

Originally Posted by systemoverblow'd

He said that everyone would benefit from higher education. Which is 100% bullshit. Yes, knowledge is important, but someone spending a years salary+ to learn something that isn't going to benefit them financially is stupid. I am applying for my masters. Why? Only because I get $5K/year tuition reimbursement from my job. I wouldn't do it otherwise. In the grand scheme it may not offer a valuable cost : reward ratio. I like to learn though, others don't.

I wouldn't be so bold to say that higher education is for everyone. My first year of University, I took American Geography. First day of class we were given a blank US map and told to name the states. I got 47 correct. The majority of the class got 10-15 correct. You really think these people who skated through high school were going to benefit skating through higher education?

You maybe heading into a masters program, but I suggest improving your reading comprehension skills first. Yes, everyone would benefit from a higher education just as they would benefit from a high school or eighth grade, or any education. Knowledge is a good thing. I never said people could not be successful without an education, many are. They could potentially be even more successful, or at least contribute more to society if they were better educated and had more of an understanding of the world.

I never said the only way to measure success is financially. Every statistic out there shows educated people make more, but there are plenty of uneducated people worth millions. You can read Descartes, Dante and Shakespere and still be a plumber. What is wrong with beingan educated plumber? I agree it does not always make make financial sense to get a higher education, but that does not mean there is not a benefit to be gained. Again, I agree not everybody is cut out for college, but they could still benefit from it if they went if they wanted to. They can also slack off and not learn a thing, but what they did learn is still beneficial in some ways.

Originally Posted by jfost

I love how there is a decent rallying crowd against higher (or any extra) education. That really shows the value system for lots of people...

Why wouldn't you want more education. You guys realize that a "good salesman who makes good money" could well expand his or her mind with higher ed. It isn't always about tangible ROI, you need to probe the gray areas a bit. Who knows, maybe they'll take an econ or polisci class and get fired up and make our country greater?

You don't have to pay $$$ into the system, I def. get the bashing of buying a degree that has "little worth" financially - but jeezus, who in their right mind goes around saying "moar educashun sucks!!!"

Because:

1. It cost double what it's worth and what it could cost if the government college industial complex got out of the education business

2. It will bankrupt America since Obamacare nationalized 100% of the student loan business.

Watch the video fost.

Originally Posted by hutash

I admit I did not watch the whe video. It was such bullshit from the start that I did not want to waste time on it. Especially since DBT so strongly endorsed it, I was pretty confident it was all propaganda and hype. If it addressed the decrease of education and increase of training in many of today's college it might have some merit. My guess is it did not.

Translation: I'm into education, but only the education supplied by the self serving, self perpetuating government college industrial comlpex (Brainwashing)

Originally Posted by commonlaw

Whatever your regard for universal higher education, I think we can all agree that 4 years of poon on a platter is worth the price tag.

When I went in the 80's it was worth the price tag. Now they need to include the beer too to even get close.

Most of the time, for videos like these, one has to look at the SOURCE of the video. The source for this particular video happens to be NIA. National Inflation Association.

The SOLE purpose of NIA is to sell gold and silver and agricultural commodities. They would, then, apparently prefer if people would spend the money that they WERE going to put into college into buying gold and silver.

I've had the vid audio streaming while typing, I just heard him say just now: "All young people today should be going into the job market as SOON AS POSSIBLE so that they can begin earning money so when the US dollar collapses, these young people can begin buying GOLD and SILVER. Isn't that EXACTLY what I just said above.

Turns out the vid is a drawn out ad for gold and silver trading if you listen towards the end.


Hey...what ever happened to the notion of education as a way to better one's own mind through knowledge and wisdom...not merely as a means toward more money?

Old hat? A lost concept like the spinning wheel?

Through movies like Animal House and TONS of others, we're brainwashed into believing that college is merely 4 years of partying and tail. That is NOT the original basis for advanced education. I believe it Used to be for the advancement of society through expanding the mind. Learning new concepts and ways of thinking.

Unfortunately, a learned society of letters is about as close-minded to new ideas as those without letters. A pity, indeed. But it's been that way for a LONG time.

How do we change that mindset?

How do we re-instill the love of learning in our kids for the SAKE of the love of learning?

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Remember when Mittens said in the debate, “never get involved in politics if you have to win an election to pay a mortgage” and I think that’s really what Downbound Train and Rubicon are saying about going to college in this thread…. “never go to university if you can’t pay a mortgage.” That does sound right….doesn’t it?

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

Both my bosses are drop outs. One from High School, one from College. Neither from a background of any kind of privilage. Both in the 1%. One worth millions.

Most of the comments defending college are coming from people who didn't watch the video I suspect.

You may watch the video and still defend the status quo but if you didn't watch the video you are arguing out of context.

Nepotism perhaps? This is why the country is in the shitter.. Because its being run by the people with the money, regardless of brains.

Good thing they have you huh DBT.

Anyway, I only watched about half of that bs puke propogranda before my stomach turned. It didn't even distinguish between degrees. It just says all degrees are useless. Well science and engineering degrees are not useless and almost everyone who comes out of school with an Sc gets a well paid job pretty quickly.

DBT you've made some good points before but this is absolute nonsense bs.. trying to convince kids to give up and not even go to school... blaming it on the left. STFU DBT. Fucking boot-licking shithead...

Correction: It's not propoganda... I don't even know what it is... its useless. Don't bother watching.

Originally Posted by theshredder

Nepotism perhaps? This is why the country is in the shitter.. Because its being run by the people with the money, regardless of brains.

Good thing they have you huh DBT.

Anyway, I only watched about half of that bs puke propogranda before my stomach turned. It didn't even distinguish between degrees. It just says all degrees are useless. Well science and engineering degrees are not useless and almost everyone who comes out of school with an Sc gets a well paid job pretty quickly.

DBT you've made some good points before but this is absolute nonsense bs.. trying to convince kids to give up and not even go to school... blaming it on the left. STFU DBT. Fucking boot-licking shithead...

No nepotism, both self made from scratch. Both from divorced housholds with absentee dads. NO money. Just balls.

I'm not trying to convince people not to get an education. I'm trying to convince you that GOVERNMENT has made it a massive rip off for it's own benefit.

And is now going to hang the bill for trillions on the taxpayer by creating a government monopoly in college funding that will NEVER be paid back by a huge percebtage of kids.

And the kids who may be able to pay it back will basically be mortgaged to the hilt with the government owning their ass for years if not decades.

And for the people with the means to buy education outright, they are victims of a massive wealth transfer from citizens to colleges without a good return on investment for MANY if not most (not all).

I'm showing you college could be done for way less money and better except for the college industrial complex enabled by the federal government not allowing it.

If the money were not there, the price would come down. Colleges are surviving on a Massive debt bubble funded by the government, and perpetuated by the lie that college is a great virtue for all who attend. Education is not a virtue for educations sake if people are being ripped off by the educators. You seem to be saying that there is noit "top price" that can be placed on a college education.

Anyone who accuses another of buying into propoganda on the one hand while sticking up for the educational status quo from K-PhD is too brainwashed by big brother to know that he is the victim of his propoganda.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

No nepotism, both self made from scratch. Both from divorced housholds with absentee dads. NO money. Just balls.

I'm not trying to convince people not to get an education. I'm trying to convince you that GOVERNMENT has made it a massive rip off for it's own benefit.

And is now going to hang the bill for trillions on the taxpayer by creating a government monopoly in college funding that will NEVER be paid back by a huge percebtage of kids.

And the kids who may be able to pay it back will basically be mortgaged to the hilt with the government owning their ass for years if not decades.

And for the people with the means to buy education outright, they are victims of a massive wealth transfer from citizens to colleges without a good return on investment for MANY if not most (not all).

I'm showing you college could be done for way less money and better except for the college industrial complex enabled by the federal government not allowing it.

If the money were not there, the price would come down. Colleges are surviving on a Massive debt bubble funded by the government, and perpetuated by the lie that college is a great virtue for all who attend. Education is not a virtue for educations sake if people are being ripped off by the educators. You seem to be saying that there is noit "top price" that can be placed on a college education.

Anyone who accuses another of buying into propoganda on the one hand while sticking up for the educational status quo from K-PhD is too brainwashed by big brother to know that he is the victim of his propoganda.

Fair enough. I didn't like paying $200 a textbook.. and I'm still paying off my loan debt. In Canada its public and we profit from Chinese kids getting their education here. The video had some points but there might be some kids using this video as an excuse not to go to school.. It's disgusting.

Originally Posted by theshredder

Fair enough. I didn't like paying $200 a textbook.. and I'm still paying off my loan debt. In Canada its public and we profit from Chinese kids getting their education here. The video had some points but there might be some kids using this video as an excuse not to go to school.. It's disgusting.

Another convert! Downbound Train is fucking KILLING IT in this thread...but he can't take all the credit because Ronald Reagan is where it all began in 1980.

It's the Reagan force that convinced former libtard Bobby Kennedy supporter Downbound Train to convert and spend his retirement e-arguing for conservative causes. Or are libs gullible enough to believe that Downbound Train still has kiddies in school ..works full time ..and is still able to answer libdope posts within minutes seven days a week ..day or night? Unpossible. It has to be the conservative force!!

The Reagan force is a modern kind of conservative anger where college-dopes are the enemy. People who struggle to balance the obligations of holding a job and raising a family in a world of douchebag bosses, dead-end jobs, tight finances, and other social forces mostly unhelpful to people in their position. A world where a few badass conservatives like me can still make bank while everyone else fights for the scraps ..all because of the libs.

Don't worry tho conservatives are stopping elite college grads and their new world order by solving all the common mans problems. If the solution has not reached YOU yet ..it's because the payoff is still trickling down. Be patient!!

Originally Posted by archer

Another convert! Downbound Train is fucking KILLING IT in this thread...but he can't take all the credit because Ronald Reagan is where it all began in 1980.

Or not...

It's all about half truths. You guys should definitely make your whole education system public down there. It works.

And for the record... I'm not left or right I think I'm what you call a swing voter. Anything that makes the US more like Canada is good.

Added: That's gotta be the most offensive thing I've said yet.... well suck it bitches. Bow down to your Canadian overlords.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

...the educational status quo from K-PhD is too brainwashed by big brother to know that he is the victim of his propoganda.

it IS possible to be shat out of the system with a wary eye to just what it is you "accomplished" - but ironically that is usually left to the most cynical of libtards.

and the other side of the coin:

Most 1% who didn't need college don't give a shit/know nothing about it do they?

therefore I submit that the only people who know what they are talking about WRT the college experience are those who went but now remain cynical (except for the harvesting of poon of course).

The Reagan force.... good lord.

Originally Posted by archer

Don't worry tho conservatives are stopping elite college grads and their new world order by solving all the common mans problems. If the solution has not reached YOU yet ..it's because the payoff is still trickling down. Be patient!!

So maybe one day I can scrape barnicles off your yacht for $? Sweeet.....

Seven kids? My lord, that there alone is an issue. I guess some folks just feel their seed is so good, they need to keep on sowing beyond a responsible amount.

An education as a means to making money? I think you are actually missing the point of education. Think beyond the almighty dollar and look around. Part of the problem in this country is the lack of education. And part of the reason why some can't see propaganda when it is so damn explicit. Great video.

Okay, I'm done. Back to the usual mindless bickering.

Originally Posted by Ottime

...Okay, I'm done. Back to the usual mindless bickering.

Hey! What, specifically, is your beef with bickering mindlessly? Be specific, and mindless.

Originally Posted by Alaskan Rover

Most of the time, for videos like these, one has to look at the SOURCE of the video. The source for this particular video happens to be NIA. National Inflation Association.

The SOLE purpose of NIA is to sell gold and silver and agricultural commodities. They would, then, apparently prefer if people would spend the money that they WERE going to put into college into buying gold and silver.

I've had the vid audio streaming while typing, I just heard him say just now: "All young people today should be going into the job market as SOON AS POSSIBLE so that they can begin earning money so when the US dollar collapses, these young people can begin buying GOLD and SILVER. Isn't that EXACTLY what I just said above.

Turns out the vid is a drawn out ad for gold and silver trading if you listen towards the end.


Hey...what ever happened to the notion of education as a way to better one's own mind through knowledge and wisdom...not merely as a means toward more money?

Old hat? A lost concept like the spinning wheel?

Through movies like Animal House and TONS of others, we're brainwashed into believing that college is merely 4 years of partying and tail. That is NOT the original basis for advanced education. I believe it Used to be for the advancement of society through expanding the mind. Learning new concepts and ways of thinking.

Unfortunately, a learned society of letters is about as close-minded to new ideas as those without letters. A pity, indeed. But it's been that way for a LONG time.

How do we change that mindset?

How do we re-instill the love of learning in our kids for the SAKE of the love of learning?

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Only someone with a profit motive will bother to tell their side of the story.

God knows the profit motive of the Federal Government and the College industrial comlex is strong and obvious therefore and their sales pitch is pervasive.

Who profits from exposing this scam? Not many.

At least these Inflation fucks are willing to make a video about the obvious. (At least obvious to me - one of the last resisters of the Empire).

Think freely - Not what you are "Educated" to think.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

... (At least obvious to me - one of the last resisters of the Empire).

can't you just embrace college as a pay-to-play scam or something?

Interesting but poorly sourced in a way that hurts their credibility. It would be very interesting to review a complete list of sources.

Originally Posted by hutash

You maybe heading into a masters program, but I suggest improving your reading comprehension skills first. Yes, everyone would benefit from a higher education just as they would benefit from a high school or eighth grade, or any education. Knowledge is a good thing. I never said people could not be successful without an education, many are. They could potentially be even more successful, or at least contribute more to society if they were better educated and had more of an understanding of the world.

I never said the only way to measure success is financially. Every statistic out there shows educated people make more, but there are plenty of uneducated people worth millions. You can read Descartes, Dante and Shakespere and still be a plumber. What is wrong with beingan educated plumber? I agree it does not always make make financial sense to get a higher education, but that does not mean there is not a benefit to be gained. Again, I agree not everybody is cut out for college, but they could still benefit from it if they went if they wanted to. They can also slack off and not learn a thing, but what they did learn is still beneficial in some ways.

Moron, think different scenarios through.

My brother, father of 2 has a mortgage, 2 car payments, insurance, clothing costs, yada yada yada. Do you think pushing himself into further debt for knowledge he will get from a book he reads at night but won't gain him extra money is worthwhile? Stop being an idiot. I already said education is important. But saying getting a degree helps everyone is downright moronic. If my bro decided to get a degree he would essentially put his daughters and his wife in the poor house and make it so his daughters had no chance a a higher education.

You want knowledge? Read a fucking book. You want advancement in your career? Go to college and go further than a bachelors. Bachelors now-a-days mean just as much as working at McDonalds.

Originally Posted by jfost

YES! They will likely be somewhat better off, either financially, spiritually, or at the very least will have had access to sweet sweet poon for 4 years.

You parade your idiocy for all to see. Own that shit and wear it like a badge. You should be proud. Special Agent jfrost, douchefuck of the TGR community.

Originally Posted by systemoverblow'd

You parade your idiocy for all to see. Own that shit and wear it like a badge. You should be proud. Special Agent jfrost, douchefuck of the TGR community.

jeezus fucking christ! yaagagggaagoooey!

at least I wear my own name ALL the time...

you no likey the hyperbole or something?