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Thread: The College Industrial Complex
04-23-2012, 05:32 PM #326
As far as charters in general, it's a love hate relationship. We need to figure out a better way to regulate them and be quicker about shutting them down when they're not working. There are some that are doing amazing things like KIPP, Waldorf schools, etc. But then there are some that are completely fucking students over. There is an online (charter) high school here that you can get a diploma from but less than half of the credits you get there transfer to high schools within the district if you decide to switch schools. Which brings me to another huge problem, in our schools at least. Students don't stay at the same school for any reasonable amount of time. We have students who attend 6, 7, 8 high schools throughout their 4 years. We need to stop allowing them to pick up shop and go wherever they want, whenever they want. Messes up their education and the schools budget.
04-23-2012, 05:41 PM #327I've been to two state fairs and a goat fuck and never seen anything like this!!
04-23-2012, 05:41 PM #328
KIPP schools are some of the most amazing to me. Taking the most at risk kids and having 94% of them outperform the other district schools in reading and 96% in Math. One big thing that KIPP schools do have is parent (and student) buy-in. Just sayin.
04-23-2012, 05:49 PM #329
12,250 is the average revenue, the average spent per student is 10,499. The bigger the district the more money they're spending per pupil. It's just turning into a giant machine that is out of control. We need to limit the size of school districts. And no, DBT privatization will not necessarily solve this. What is to stop one company from getting just as big and charging money and we're right back where we started. Privatization = for profit schools = university of phoenix = suck ass education.
04-23-2012, 05:58 PM #330Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that
04-23-2012, 06:01 PM #331
I'm sure that they're driving the cost way up as a huge population in Denver are ESL but I haven't seen any breakdown by student.
04-23-2012, 06:30 PM #332
TJ is a governors school, public school that draws from several surrounding counties. They come from a wide socio economic swath of applicants, From really well off to kids from very low income families.
Our daughter went to the governors school in Richmond, Maggie Walker school for govt and international studies. They competed against TJ every year in all sorts of competitions. TJ is much bigger than Maggie Walker, but the same caliber of students and from the same cross sections of society. Our daughters friends ran the gamut from some fairly well off families to a friend from an Indian reservation, to some friends from very very rural school districts. Most of these kids enter college as second semester freshman or even sophomores in some cases"You damn colonials and your herds of tax write off dressage ponies". PNWBrit
04-23-2012, 06:32 PM #333"You damn colonials and your herds of tax write off dressage ponies". PNWBrit
04-23-2012, 06:55 PM #334
Baumol's cost disease* helps explain, in part, why privatization hasn't worked out as well as a lot of people, including me, would like. It's a problem because when reforms based on high level abstractions like the one's discussed in this thread are forced to contend with reality things tend to work worse than planned. I still think critics of public sector unions are right in the sense that smart people in all sectors of society try to collect rents so it becomes a Tragedy of the Commons. In other words, we need skilled experienced educators but because of the cynicism that exists in our society when it comes to public goods, occupations like teaching become less of an aspirational field.
In other countries with higher test scores teaching carries a higher social status. In America, in the past, there were fewer avenues for intelligent motivated women to pursue outside of fields like teaching and nursing so attracting talent at less pay was less of a concern.
*Baumol\\\'s cost disease: People pay more in taxes and don’t get more in return, which makes it look as though the public sector, at least compared with the private sector, is inept and bloated. But it could be that the government is merely stuck in inherently low-productivity-growth businesses. It’s not inefficient. It’s just got a bad case of Baumol’s [cost disease].
04-23-2012, 09:52 PM #335
There's no fucking way you can claim the greater Richmond area has the same swath of applicants as several of the richest counties in the US - as Loudon, FairCo, Falls Church, Arlington, Stafford, Fairfax City, Fauquier and Prince William are (all in the 2010 top 20 median incomes in the US). I'm sure there's a token ultra poor or two, but they are very much in the minority.
It's been a few years but they didn't enter as Sophmores. Even at UVA.
The point was more there are some very good public schools in the US - I'd add Stuyvesant in New York, I'm sure there are more - that can educate people well. Or whatever good education is.Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
04-23-2012, 11:18 PM #336
Also didn't mean to imply they enter college as sophomores, just that most have between 10-15 college level credits placing them out of many 101 and 102 courses. The daughter is graduating a semester early from William & Mary. She's pretty typical of a lot of her friends. Our son has the same AP credit surplus his freshman year in his college engineering program He went to the math and science school... Very similar academically to Maggie Walker, again a big cross section of well to do, middle class and lower income kids.
We've been pretty involved in the school system around here and think the way they provide these magnet schools within existing High schools is a pretty good method for allowing kids to excel and not be limited to their home schools that might not be so challenging."You damn colonials and your herds of tax write off dressage ponies". PNWBrit
04-24-2012, 07:49 AM #337
Current expenditures per pupil in fall enrollment in public elementary and secondary schools: Selected years, 1961-62 through 2007-08
1961-62 School Year
$393 Current expenditures in unadjusted dollars
$2,808 Current expenditures in constant 2008-09 dollars
SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I've been to two state fairs and a goat fuck and never seen anything like this!!
04-24-2012, 10:01 AM #338
As far as the makeup of the school, there's no denying that the student body tends to be predominantly middle to upper-middle class. According to numbers I just found, it looks like TJ was below the average for free/reduced lunch (FRL), compared to the rest of the county.
During the 2010-2011 school year, 44,018 FCPS students (25.5 percent) received free- or reduced-price meals. More than half of these students (24,920) were in elementary school. Elementary school students (27.1 percent) were more likely then middle school or high school (23.3 percent) students to participate in the free- or reduced-price meal program. The FCPS system had 139 elementary schools in 2010-2011. In 28 of these elementary schools, more than half of the membership received free- or reduced-price meals. In five elementary schools, more than three quarters of the children received free- or reduced-price meals— Mount Eagle (77.6 percent), Lynbrook (79.1 percent), Mount Vernon Woods (81.3 percent), Graham Road (83.3 percent) and Hybla Valley (85.9 percent). Among students of all ages who received free- or reduced-price meals, four out of every five of these students received free meals.
Although 11.8 percent of the [TJHSST] applicants were eligible for the federal reduced-priced or free meals program, only 1.3 percent (six students) gained admission.
According to this (http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dmb/fy2...uced_meals.pdf), Fairfax is one of the lowest-percentage counties in Northern VA (behind Falls Church City and Loudoun County). A quick look at the statistics for Longfellow Middle School (a GT center that sends a large number of kids to TJ) shows that they have 7.1% eligibility for FRL (http://www.localschooldirectory.com/...chool/88564/VA). Kids who apply to TJ generally come out of GT programs, so if the GT program has a low number relative to the county, it's not at all surprising that TJ's number will be lower too.
I suspect this comes back in some way to parental involvement. When parents are supportive of their child's educational progress, the kids are more likely to succeed in school, and it seems reasonable that the parents that are typically most supportive have achieved a degree of academic success of their own. (Then again, there are certainly cases that are the opposite, where the parent uses their own life as a sort of cautionary tale). There's definitely a correlation between level of the parents' educational attainment and their socioeconomic status, so parents that have attained higher levels of education (and may be most likely to push their children in a similar fashion) are less likely to qualify for FRL.
04-24-2012, 12:41 PM #339
Depending on when you matriculated you may well know various people I knew cpt awesome.Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
04-24-2012, 01:10 PM #340
If you sent every Public School kid to private schools all you'd do is 1. Create many more (w/o a proven track record) or much larger (class size, anyone?) Private Schools, this will 2. decrease the facilities available for the private school kids, and finally 3. lower their scores. What you'd end up with is a large lowest tier for Private Schools that was previously the low scoring tier in public schools. The "Free Market" would add nothing, since there is no option of just not schooling that group of shitty 4th graders.
The voucher program doesn't cover the equivalent cost of any private school, AFAIK. It certainly doesn't here. That means that sure, you get $7500/yr to send your kid to a Private school that MIGHT be a better fit for your kid, but you'll still need to come up with nearly the equivalent amount out-of-pocket. Not too many poor or lower-middle income people can just cough up an extra $5-7k per kid per year, but then again these programs only paid lip service to that demographic anyway.
Again, for the love of the baby Jesus - it's not the lack of teaching ability that's keeping kids from learning. Plenty of Ivy League students coming out of DCPS, for instance. It starts in the home.
04-26-2012, 11:35 AM #341
I graduated from TJ in '96.
04-26-2012, 08:46 PM #342
I was the pedantic parser
small world.Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
04-27-2012, 01:14 AM #343Registered User
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I think i had 27 credits from AP tests count at Michigan. Got me some sweet seats for football games. My gf had about the same count at CU. Fuck that limit shit, thats a scam
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05-29-2012, 11:50 AM #348
Saw this in the Post today, figured it belonged here as well as anywhere else: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...YqU_story.html
Dr. Dell was always regarded as one of the best teachers at the school (with a crazy haircut). I wasn't in his class, but my friends who were really loved it...
06-12-2012, 04:39 PM #349
This seems like a good spot for this:
In fact, as much as 20 percent of the growth in the teaching force can be explained by a big increase in the number of special education teachers. (Until a federal law passed in 1975, schools could turn away kids with disabilities. Now more than 6 million kids receive some kind of public school special education, and special education classes are about half the size of regular public school classrooms.) The number of high school math and science teachers grew by 75 percent, meanwhile, as high schools began requiring students to take three or four years of math or science instead of only two in order to graduate. Finally, the number of teachers in the "elementary enrichment" category—people who teach one specialized subject, like computer science or math, to elementary-age kids—grew by 111 percent.Ingersoll says that the number of English as a second language teachers has also skyrocketed, by 400 percent over the past 20 years.
Over the past few decades, two dozen states have passed laws setting a cap on the number of students that can be in a class. There is evidence that smaller class sizes increase achievement, especially among younger students, but it's an expensive reform because teacher salaries are usually the largest item in school districts' budgets.Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that