Thread: 2012 SW Montana Conditions, Stoke and Whatev Thread

Originally Posted by Whiteout509

Well last run through the trees between Mr. K and Crazy Horse got the better part of me today. Pretty sure i got a full tear on my right MCL (heard a nice big pop as i was tumbling.) So question is who is the man to see around here about knees? Thanks for the help

If you heard a " pop " it might be your ACL. Very common to hear. If it's your MCL you should have pain on the medial side ofyour knee ( The inside side ). If walking on stairs feels funny then it's the ACL. Diebert did one of my knees and Cambell did the other. They are both good.

Originally Posted by Climber Joe

is anyone else scared shitless of BC skiing around here?

I have done many early season tours in the bridgers and many late season tours in the Tabaccos, but mid season I am too scared honestly. I have lost too many good friends in the past 5 years, and am sketched out by too many skiing partners to do it much anymore.

Back in WA, unless it was really cold for a long time, or really warm, it was always stable 3-5 days out of any storm cycle. It was warm enough to consolidate suspect layers, and cold enough to not have water percolation (although when it happened, the 15 foot crowns were pretty cool).

What are your thoughts?

Pretty much. I was planning on getting into BC skiing this season; taking an Avi 1 course, buying a new setup, all the appropriate gear, etc. With the way this season's been, I've decided to postpone all of that until next winter. I'm thinking this is not the best season for a rookie like me to be fooling around out there. Staying inbounds 'til then.

I also wanted to buy a used sled, but this season's been so lousy, I can't even justify that! Tons of snowmobiles in my town, and sadly they've pretty much gone unused all winter, stuck in everyone's driveways.

There IS a huge upside, however (for me)! I've saved thousands of dollars this winter by not buying all that crap at once. I would've been broke had I been able to follow through with my previous plans.

Originally Posted by Climber Joe

is anyone else scared shitless of BC skiing around here?

I have done many early season tours in the bridgers and many late season tours in the Tabaccos, but mid season I am too scared honestly. I have lost too many good friends in the past 5 years, and am sketched out by too many skiing partners to do it much anymore.

Back in WA, unless it was really cold for a long time, or really warm, it was always stable 3-5 days out of any storm cycle. It was warm enough to consolidate suspect layers, and cold enough to not have water percolation (although when it happened, the 15 foot crowns were pretty cool).

What are your thoughts?

If u have been around a bit you know that the mountains around Bozeman are a continental snowpack. Backcountry skiing anything more then meadows, or during very small windows of "stability" is a very risky proposition and you might die. so, well we all may die at some point, the risk of dying is much higher in this sort of snowpack then it would be in a less continental snowpack. 1+1=2 Luckily for search and rescue, approaches are long enough that very few people ski in the backcountry around Bozeman.

Originally Posted by john c

If u have been around a bit you know that the mountains around Bozeman are a continental snowpack. Backcountry skiing anything more then meadows, or during very small windows of "stability" is a very risky proposition and you might die. so, well we all may die at some point, the risk of dying is much higher in this sort of snowpack then it would be in a less continental snowpack. 1+1=2 Luckily for search and rescue, approaches are long enough that very few people ski in the backcountry around Bozeman.

Yet another ill-informed opinion from John C.

Guess you are unaware that the road up to Hyalite Canyon Reservoir is regularlly plowed now and the skiing up there is damn good. Access isn't lift served UT slackcountry or Colorado road passes but it is not for ONLY the superhuman.

The regime in this area isn't 100% Continental, 8 out of 10 years it is probably more Continental than intermountain but there are stable years. That being said, if you pick your terrain wisely and have some backcountry savvy you aren't assured of dying in an avalanche. Plenty of people tour regularly here and live to a ripe old age.

Most years there will be PWLs that need to be watched and that is the price for skiing beyond the ski area ropes.

Can't deal, move to the coast and ski with cunts like Johnny C.

hey butt onion, u kinda just proved my point.

Hyalite is plowed but to get on avy terrain you gotta go a ways. Like miles, thank god cuz that is all the filter Bozeman people need.

"pick terrain wisely" like I said meadows....
"backcountry savvy" Yeah like wait in other words, until June most the time
Continental, intermountain, whatever your ski patrol geek book calls it? I call it sugar on the ground 8 out of 10 years.

ps. Montana sees one tenth the backcountry traffic of the Tetons/Wasatch yet has just as many fatalities. Why? cuz the snowpack sucks.

Originally Posted by lolkl

If you heard a " pop " it might be your ACL. Very common to hear. If it's your MCL you should have pain on the medial side ofyour knee ( The inside side ). If walking on stairs feels funny then it's the ACL. Diebert did one of my knees and Cambell did the other. They are both good.

Pretty sure its not the ACL, popped that off a couple of years ago on the other knee this definitely feels different. Majority of pain is on the inside of the knee at the bottom of the femur the anchor point for the top of the MCL. Now i need to go about getting an MRI to see if i did damage to ACL or PCL hopefully its just the MCL. Will check into both doctors, thanks for the recommendations.

Howdy folks, I made a trip to the East Rosebud drainage of the Beartooths with my friends Ty and CJ one week ago and we skied the Chamonix Couloir in pretty stellar conditions. Luckily the fog lifted enough so I could identify The Doublet rock feature, which marks the entrance to this hidden gem.



Thin snowpack, but consolidated with some fluff on top.



The guys climbed a little ice to ski another line to lookers left, The Chamonix to the right...shes a looooong one!



We also put together a little edit, but I couldn't figure out how to embed it...click n hop on over to https://vimeo.com/36747592

Great video..fantastic location...great line. What a gem. Thanks.

Nice, Ned.

If you're using the new vimeo you have to remove the "s" from the https in the URL to embed



Real nice work.

Originally Posted by OverTurn

If you're using the new vimeo you have to remove the "s" from the https in the URL to embed



Real nice work.

Next time I see Ty, I will have to tell him he climbs better than he skis!!!



But on a serious note, that is an awesome line. Nice work!

Originally Posted by Bunion

Yet another ill-informed opinion from John C.

Guess you are unaware that the road up to Hyalite Canyon Reservoir is regularlly plowed now and the skiing up there is damn good. Access isn't lift served UT slackcountry or Colorado road passes but it is not for ONLY the superhuman.

The regime in this area isn't 100% Continental, 8 out of 10 years it is probably more Continental than intermountain but there are stable years. That being said, if you pick your terrain wisely and have some backcountry savvy you aren't assured of dying in an avalanche. Plenty of people tour regularly here and live to a ripe old age.

Most years there will be PWLs that need to be watched and that is the price for skiing beyond the ski area ropes.

Can't deal, move to the coast and ski with cunts like Johnny C.

Bunion has it and should be trusted based on his background and his profession.

Hey all Southwest Montana Mags-

I'm headed to Big Sky tonight to stay with my buddy for a couple days, going to be doing mostly resort skiing, but still kind of broke and just recently got into touring (trekkers, cheap rigged skins) and if I could save a day ticket and go tour some low angle stuff (ya know check out the trees and stuff) I'd be super stoked. So if anyone has any reccomendations where I could go with relative safety (low angle/fun trees), I have no avi training or gear, or if someones around and wants to show me some stuff as well, all I really know is Beehive Basin is a heavily toured area.

Thanks Guys!

Originally Posted by MumblingSkiBum

Hey all Southwest Montana Mags-

I'm headed to Big Sky tonight to stay with my buddy for a couple days, going to be doing mostly resort skiing, but still kind of broke and just recently got into touring (trekkers, cheap rigged skins) and if I could save a day ticket and go tour some low angle stuff (ya know check out the trees and stuff) I'd be super stoked. So if anyone has any reccomendations where I could go with relative safety (low angle/fun trees), I have no avi training or gear, or if someones around and wants to show me some stuff as well, all I really know is Beehive Basin is a heavily toured area.

Thanks Guys!

Wouldn't recommend beehive with no backcountry experience or gear or really anywhere else for that matter.

Originally Posted by Bobcat Sig

Bunion has it and should be trusted based on his background and his profession.

oh yah, is that the same profesion on the same mountain that had Liberty bowl slide natural five foot crown during operations (2 PM) on Christmas week? There was once a joke told and the punch line was Big Sky/lone Peak. We all laughed.......

Originally Posted by john c

oh yah, is that the same profesion on the same mountain that had Liberty bowl slide natural five foot crown during operations (2 PM) on Christmas week? There was once a joke told and the punch line was Big Sky/lone Peak. We all laughed.......

Well, same mountain, different operation. Just saying.

Tell the joke.

Originally Posted by john c

oh yah, is that the same profesion on the same mountain that had Liberty bowl slide natural five foot crown during operations (2 PM) on Christmas week? There was once a joke told and the punch line was Big Sky/lone Peak. We all laughed.......

Yes, tell the joke. If you want to come up to Lone Peak and go out on route and throw bombs, I would love to watch.

Originally Posted by john c

oh yah, is that the same profesion on the same mountain that had Liberty bowl slide natural five foot crown during operations (2 PM) on Christmas week? There was once a joke told and the punch line was Big Sky/lone Peak. We all laughed.......

You Monday morning quarterback like Tom Brady.

Go douche the sand from you vag, bacon stain.

ouch, that one hit home eh?

here is the monday morning quarterbacking from the experts, interesting read:
http://arc.lib.montana.edu/snow-scie...ISSW_O-065.pdf

The thing I find interesting is that they were not able access the bowl early because of "lingering mechanical difficulties with the tram" So, bad layer, gets loaded and by the time the patrol finally get to it, it is stuck there and they can't get it to move. It was not patrols fault and sorry for insinuating, it was clearly management not having the beer can running. Would they have been charged with incompetance had their been 20 fatalities? This is the largest in bounds avalanche during operation ever I beleive????

What's your point exactly? You originally were attempting to criticize Bunion, I believe, who does not even work for Big Sky. After initially criticizing the Big Sky Ski Patrol you backed off on that and instead started to attack Big Sky management? What exactly are you getting at?

EDIT: Sorry, clicked "Post" and then I realized that I was asking questions that required a reasonable person to answer. You clearly are not a reasonable person and won't have any coherent or meaningful response as there really wasn't any coherent or meaningful response that went into anything you said. Disregard the above please.

Let's keep all this kind of crap out of this thread and get back to the stoke and talk about skiing in this corner of the world. Here's hoping Pres Day Weekend is snowy and safe.

Hey Johnny, thanks for posting that Link.

Scotty Savage is a good buddy and deserves more attention for his work in avalanche education.

I left Big Sky and moved over to MLB in 2001/02 so not sure what your point is (if you really ever had one).

However if you are trying to demonstrate how much Big Sky and Moonlight and the Y/C have on our plates when it comes to hazard mitigation you have succeeded.

All 3 areas do a damn good job dealing with complex terrain and a difficult snowpack.

So .... you are welcome.

Originally Posted by MumblingSkiBum

Hey all Southwest Montana Mags-

I'm headed to Big Sky tonight to stay with my buddy for a couple days, going to be doing mostly resort skiing, but still kind of broke and just recently got into touring (trekkers, cheap rigged skins) and if I could save a day ticket and go tour some low angle stuff (ya know check out the trees and stuff) I'd be super stoked. So if anyone has any reccomendations where I could go with relative safety (low angle/fun trees), I have no avi training or gear, or if someones around and wants to show me some stuff as well, all I really know is Beehive Basin is a heavily toured area.

Thanks Guys!

PM me and I might be able to scrounge you a couple of 1/2 price vouchers.

Jon C should write a book, It would be titled "I am the most miserable fuck on the planet and I know more then you"

In other news........ Thanks to the Bridger people who make it out with me. Front page, big props to Bridger and the people that make it be.

http://www.tetongravity.com/blogs/Th...wl-5781749.htm

And since everyone else has a facebook page, i guess I might as well to. Maybe there is something to this ski photo thing?

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fish-E...y/360786338758

Originally Posted by Bunion

Hey Johnny, thanks for posting that Link.

Scotty Savage is a good buddy and deserves more attention for his work in avalanche education.

I left Big Sky and moved over to MLB in 2001/02 so not sure what your point is (if you really ever had one).

However if you are trying to demonstrate how much Big Sky and Moonlight and the Y/C have on our plates when it comes to hazard mitigation you have succeeded.

All 3 areas do a damn good job dealing with complex terrain and a difficult snowpack.

So .... you are welcome.

It's been said, but all the folks on patrol on Lone Peak and even at Bridger do a hell of a job; especially this year. Thank you.

As for john c - go cunt up another thread. You've added absolutely nothing to this thread.

That John C alias is one hell of a troll. Very interesting alter ego someone has.

Ned- Great little viddy, thanks so much for not having any POV shit in it. Love the E. Bud, probably my second favorite drainage in SW MT so far. There are some beasts up there for sure.