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Thread: 191 PM Gear Lhasa Fat
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12-23-2011, 06:27 PM #51
5'6, 175 lbs
I'm not strong or heavy, prefer to think of myself as scrappy in the woodsLast edited by PowTrees; 12-23-2011 at 07:33 PM.
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12-23-2011, 07:19 PM #52glocal
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auvgeek - keep an eye out for your 191s landing on your doorstep tomorrow. The folks at fedex said they are humpin to drop every box by xmas and are throwing in free saturday deliveries.
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12-23-2011, 07:23 PM #53Registered User
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Oh, I won't leave the house tomorrow unless someone else is home to sign for them.
Thanks so much for shipping those right away - I couldn't believe it when you said they'd get here on Saturday. I'm now more excited for Christmas Eve than I am Christmas itself."Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
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12-23-2011, 08:08 PM #54
Just saw this but thought I'd chime in.
In a nutshell, the 191 Lhasa fats ski even better than they look. Pow, crud, chop, mank, even groomers, they slay it. Don't stress about the stiffness, these are plenty playful.
Not to sound like I'm getting paid by Pat but he's come so far in both quality and design and these are the absolute best skis I've skied from his shop.
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12-23-2011, 08:19 PM #55
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12-24-2011, 12:56 AM #56
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12-24-2011, 01:36 AM #57Registered User
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Nope. I was looking at those "blems," but I had already way overblown my ski budget for the year....but then I saw this thread and bought the full-carbon version (sold my L120s to a friend). Ah, the perks of having graduated and gotten a real job. Quoting my original post below just because I feel strongly about it. Dealing with spat was a pleasure, to say the least.
Happy to let you try 'em out if our paths ever cross. To be mounted with P18 and Plum for 310 and 320 respectively."Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
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12-24-2011, 10:05 AM #58
Most unexciting review ever:
Took them to the resort for some pre-dawn skinning poach stoke twice last week. They skin great - supersuperlight and the balance is perfect, even though I doubt it was one of Pat's design criteria.
Coming down was fun but lets face it - fresh corduroy is always fun. So I have nothing insightful to say about how they skied, I was just enjoying.
Fun staring at the topsheets while you huff and puff up the hill. That carbon is really purty.
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12-26-2011, 11:41 PM #59
Mini review from today's runs on fast groomers at our local hill. Pretty much a 117 ski with a 145 tip should not be so nimble and fast on groomers. My buddy had his 170 cm 70mm carvers and we were lapping it. Stable, light, quick and cant wait to ski pow. But as I expected, a great groomer tool for dinking around on tune up days
I need to go to Utah.
Utah?
Yeah, Utah. It's wedged in between Wyoming and Nevada. You've seen pictures of it, right?
So after 15 years we finally made it to Utah.....
Thanks BCSAR and POWMOW Ski Patrol for rescues
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2021/2022 (13/15)
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12-27-2011, 02:05 AM #60Registered User
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Okay, so I wasn't going to post tonight, but my anger is getting the better of me.
I went to mount a pair of P18 turntables that I bought in Gear Swap on my new all-carbon 191 Fats. I've only done one previous mount job before (just did it the other day and it turned out great), so I double and triple checked the mount point, paper template, centerline, etc. But I never checked the screw lengths that came with the binders. Didn't quite punch through the base, but made a pretty decent divot in it in two places (to toe piece screws). I'm so fucking pissed right now. Was going to post a mini-review after getting some time on them tomorrow, but looks like I'll be taking some shitty other skis. GAH!! Words can't express my disappointment in the whole situation. Nobody to blame, but damn it sucks. I've read a bunch of posts on here about mounting your own binders, and I've never heard of anybody say to make sure you check the screw lengths. Guess that's what I get for buying used and not double checking though.
EDIT: This above sounds like I'm halfway trying to blame somebody else for my mistake - I'm really not. I'm just disappointed. I always double check anything that I'm screwing into the ski, I just forgot the one time that it mattered. Also, the original binders must have been mounted on riser plates, because the screws are way too long. It's not a matter of the core being thinner than usual, as splat indicated below.Last edited by auvgeek; 12-27-2011 at 07:13 PM.
"Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
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12-27-2011, 09:30 AM #61
Oh noes! You can fix that though, ask here in tech talk. I seem to remember you take the bindng off, put some watery epoxy in the holes, and hammer the divots back down - with metal plate protector under the hammer to protect the base. Happens a lot.
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12-27-2011, 11:19 AM #62glocal
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Don't let it trouble you, auvgeek. Even if you had broken through the base, it's still 100% fixable. Carbon skis and hybrids almost always have thinner cores and even shop techs sometimes forget to check the screw length as it relates to the core thickness. It won't weaken the ski and it's only base, which is still full thickness, so you'll be fine once you shorten the screws and tap that base back into place.
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12-27-2011, 12:16 PM #63
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12-27-2011, 12:20 PM #64
In my opinion you could duck tape your mocs to em and they would still rip...........
I need to go to Utah.
Utah?
Yeah, Utah. It's wedged in between Wyoming and Nevada. You've seen pictures of it, right?
So after 15 years we finally made it to Utah.....
Thanks BCSAR and POWMOW Ski Patrol for rescues
8, 17, 13, 18, 16, 18, 20, 19, 16, 24, 32, 35
2021/2022 (13/15)
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12-27-2011, 07:57 PM #65
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12-27-2011, 08:02 PM #66Registered User
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How do they ski now? Noticeably worse in any way?
After hearing splat and Patches' input, I'm less concerned. I'll just hammer out the divots (1 bad, 2 minor). If it doesn't get better (or I get scared of making it worse), I'll take 'em to a reputable local shop and let them deal with it. But like I said, I've calmed down and I'm less worried about it. Thanks for the support guys."Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
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12-27-2011, 08:24 PM #67
They skied the shits till i backed the screws out
No harm really done and you will remember to check on your next mount,even if you dont bang the dimples back up you will never notice....
I had a friend tell me a story about a World Cup racer he used to ski with who would mount his training skis with extra long screws
then grind off the protruding screws flush with the base. He felt this would lessen the chances of binding pullout.You dont stop playing because you grow old, you grow old because you stop playing
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01-02-2012, 01:49 PM #68Registered User
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Finally got a day on the skis. I'll prolly just add to this review down the road as I get more time on the ski, hence all the info at the beginning.
Tester: auvgeek
Stats: 5'11", 165#, 23 yrs old
Test details: 1 day thus far, 15" of the white stuff at Stevens Pass
Ski: Full-Carbon 191 Fat (exactly like Patches' pics on page 1) with factory tune.
Bindings: FKS 140 @ 105.5 from tip (recommended). Adapter plate in the works for Plum Guide at -0.5 cm.
Boot: FT Konflict w/ #8 tongue; Cochise for touring.
Skis I've liked: 179 Seth Vicious @ +3
Skis I didn't like: 182 brown BD Zealots - had a terrible time getting these skis to do anything but go straight
So I've only had one day on these so far. To be honest, I have not skied hard in a long time, mainly due to injuries (left hip and knee). I basically took two years off entirely, and skied all last season in the backcountry because the stupid knee still couldn't handle the resort. I took the new sexy sticks up to Stevens for my first day in the resort in the past three seasons. I took it easy (for me): no major airs, drops, spins, or flips, but skied hard and fast for most of the day. Stayed out of the trees or any serious terrain, as much for the skis sake as my one (still pretty low coverage).
I was pretty worried about skiing these on my first day back. They hand flex stiff. I compared them to the old Zealots that I hate but haven't sold, and they seem to flex about the same. I was worried about being able to shut them down, particularly since I'm still in PT trying to get stronger.
But I effing LOVE this skis. Granted, I only have one day so far and I haven't been on a ton of other skis, but I had no idea a ski could be this nimble and this stable. My first run was a little difficult - I dropped in to a fairly steep, narrowish line, and I got a little more backseat than I wanted. I had trouble getting the skis around for the first few turns, and they just didn't seem to do what I wanted. But it was my first run in a long time, and I probably should have taken a warm-up lap first. Once I got forward to drive the skis, they REALLY came to life. By the second run, I was able to take these through cut-up pow and chop at speeds I didn't think were possible. There were a couple times I was gonna lose it, only to get forward and crush everything in my path with a huge grin on my face. The more time I spent on them, the more confident I was on them, and the better they skied. They really prefer to be driven, and I was excited they wouldn't let me get away with shitty form.
As the day wore on, I realized how versatile these things are. I typically ski moguls and chop by "ollieing" off the front of moguls and picking up speed by landing in the transition on the backside of another. That's truly the way to ski these, and I continued to pick up speed everywhere as I gained confidence in the ski and my injuries. The carbon pops so hard off the top of the moguls, and I often found myself catching more air than I intended - in a very good way. The last run of the day I took with my mom: typical groomer run, and I was beat. My mom simply could not believe I was able to make short parallel turns at slow speeds on this big of a ski. It was effortless to me.
However, I did have some trouble at high speeds on groomers getting the tip of the downhill ski to engage and turn. It didn't wash out or hook, it simply didn't want to carve the way I wanted. However, this seemed to be more of a problem when the downhill ski was on my injured leg, so that could be the reason. Also, I will say that I am still a little worried about taking these things in tight trees. I think once I gain some muscle and technique back, it probably won't not be a problem. Given my abilities and injuries, I think this is the perfect ski for me in the resort and in the backcountry. It will force me to become the skier I was pre-injuries, without being so demanding it will induce further injuries.
My buddy and I will compare to the L120, L138, WooTest, and Protest when we have a chance to ski them all extensively. I would really like to get on the Renegades to see how them compare, but right now I'm in heaven.Last edited by auvgeek; 01-02-2012 at 03:16 PM.
"Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
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01-04-2012, 09:20 PM #69glocal
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auvgeek - just wanted you to see how punani skied the 191 Fats on edge in mank crap at the mammoth mini last spring.
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01-04-2012, 11:42 PM #70Registered User
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Awesome! Thanks splat. I couldn't believe how well I could put them on edge in the soft, cut up chop. I'll put on my GoPro sometime soon and try to get some more stoke into this thread.
Also, I don't have a good scale at the moment, but I can say that the all-carbon version is NOTICEABLY lighter than my 181 Hardsides."Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
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01-05-2012, 02:09 AM #71
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01-05-2012, 08:37 AM #72Registered User
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I'll have a good 3 week review of these babies from Jackson (all carbon) and I'm praying that it includes everything from boiler plate to eventually 20 inche powder days !
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01-05-2012, 03:20 PM #73glocal
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Just scored the last roll of the carbon fiber we're using in the all carbon skis, so we'll be cranking out the all carbon 191 Fats again in about 12 days. If anyone wants, we can also do 183 Fats in all carbon as well. There is none of this stuff anywhere else in the world, nor will there be again for some time, and I am stoked we got it.
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01-05-2012, 11:58 PM #74
Logged 2 more days on my 191 fats in hard pack and scratchy conditions, ice for western standards. I should have brought my 187 fats but didn't, yet I was pleasantly rewarded with a ski that truly is versatile. Buttering GS turns on hard pack is not how I envisioned using my 191 fats but damn that was fun. A pair of ice skates might have worked better but for such a fat ski, my 191 fats responded exactly as I asked them to the entire time.
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01-06-2012, 12:20 PM #75Registered User
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Piggity, care to comment on the differences between the 187 Fat and the 191 Fat since you have both? I was kinda torn between the two, and didn't see much info comparing the two. The dims on the 191 just seemed more what I was looking for, but it'd be nice to get some more info out there.
"Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
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