Thread: The theoretical narrow protest/arg/dps 138 gangrush praxis thread

^^^ You read my mind. IMHO this is a protest for people who don't want to hike with that big a ski.

Originally Posted by auvgeek

Honestly, I don't see why people who are interested in a pow ski for resort use don't just get the regular Protest.

This isn't aimed at jmedsic or anyone else in particular, but this type of comment seems to have come up a few times in the last page or two, and it doesn't make much sense to me.

My main beef w a 190cm long 130 waist ski is that it's heavy and too cumbersome for the Alta shuffle. a lot of the terrain we ski at altabird requires significant traversing, often uphill. a full day of that gets me tired quicker and leaves me w a sore knee. i don't mind hiking all around w the Concepts, but even a small jump to Megawatts leaves me as described.

Seems like the Wootest might behave similarly to the Protest, but be a bit easier to deal with.

You should see the sidestepping and shoulder swing walking that goes on at alpine meadows.

Been doing it with my protests and alpine binders for years........along with thousands of other people with similarly sized skis.
edit: I just mapped them out on topo and two of them are around 1.2 miles, another about 0.75 miles.......just for reference, I don't know alta)

Get the ski you want obviously but the protests are sick. They're not really going to keep you from getting anywhere. Being in fairly consistently lighter snow where you are, I'd think you'd want the extra width. But yeah if you've got knee problems I can see what you're thinking. That's about my only grip with the real protests. As days wear on, and hard snow gets more prevalent, they're can be a little harsh on the joints. My solution has just always been to keep going to stay away from hard snow.



And that avatar pic is awesome

Originally Posted by kidwoo

You should see the sidestepping and shoulder swing walking that goes on at alpine meadows.

Been doing it with my protests and alpine binders for years........along with thousands of other people with similarly sized skis.

Get the ski you want obviously but the protests are sick. They're not really going to keep you from getting anywhere. Being in fairly consistently lighter snow where you are, I'd think you'd want the extra width.



And that avatar pic is awesome

haha, thanks. you're pushing me off the fence...and not towards the wooooooooooooooooooooTest! probably better for my wallet.

Originally Posted by jmedslc

haha, thanks. you're pushing me off the fence...and not towards the wooooooooooooooooooooTest! probably better for my wallet.

No no no. That's all wrong.


Your only choices are the wootest or the full sized protests.

There are no other skis.


In all seriousness though, I still say that the closest thing out there to this ski is a CRJ. So if that looks like a reasonable ski for what you want to do at alta, the wootest is still a good option. It'll just be stiffer, have a much more well dispersed flex, more rocker, and have a little narrower tail.

Originally Posted by kidwoo

In all seriousness though, I still say that the closest thing out there to this ski is a CRJ. So if that looks like a reasonable ski for what you want to do at alta, the wootest is still a good option. It'll just be stiffer, have a much more well dispersed flex, and have a little narrower tail.

yeah, i've loved skiing Praxis for the past couple of seasons - and still may go for the Woo. Gonna mull it over this weekend with our dust on crust in the forecast.

The reason I'm considering this as a resort ski, is because in my opinion the huge 130+ waisted skis are a pain in the ass when its not bottomless fluff.
These seem like they'd be unreal in all the heavy wet crap we get on the west coast!

But with the taper and all.. is there a reason not to just jump to the protest for the resort powder ski?

edit....these will suck in the moguls...

Originally Posted by skiing_is_partying

edit....these will suck in the moguls...

You've never skied really rockered skis in moguls have you?


WAAAYYYY easier than a traditional shape/camber.

Originally Posted by kidwoo

You've never skied really rockered skis in moguls have you?


WAAAYYYY easier than a traditional shape/camber.

Never skied anything more tapered/rockered than my czars/bibbys. Czars were dead feeling in general (sold) Bibby's hook up at speed!

Originally Posted by kidwoo

When I say roids, I'm thinking more like 220lbs.

Now this is JUST PERSONAL OPINION but for both of you, I'd do this

196? Medium flex

187? stiff flex

This is one of those skis that's already molded to the shape you want it to be in in soft snow so it doesn't need to flex that much. But again....I don't particularly think keith's 'medium flex' skis are that soft. They definitely are softer than what I've seen coming from scott at ON3P though.....especially the C & D.

Just wish I had the money for both, maybe in the future.
I pulled the trigger on 196 medium flex, ultra light nylon, pow board graphic.
They will get sollyfits and if it ever snows they will be enjoyed much this year.

Originally Posted by skiing_is_partying

Never skied anything more tapered/rockered than my czars/bibbys. Czars were dead feeling in general (sold) Bibby's hook up at speed!

no comment on the czars.......

The bibbys certainly qualify though in terms of rocker. I've never skied a pair but one of the reasons I never wanted to try them was that big wide shovel up front. I feel pretty confident saying these will be better than the bibbys...

Who cares though.....it's moguls......a necessary evil, not a goal in life.

Originally Posted by kidwoo

no comment on the czars.......

The bibbys certainly qualify though in terms of rocker. I've never skied a pair but one of the reasons I never wanted to try them was that big wide shovel up front. I feel pretty confident saying these will be better than the bibbys...

Who cares though.....it's moguls......a necessary evil, not a goal in life.

Wait a sec - this whole time, I've mistakenly been reading "backcountry touring ski" as "super sick resort zipperline ski."

Count me out for the WooTest, I guess.

Losin' em by the minute.

Originally Posted by auvgeek

Honestly, I don't see why people who are interested in a pow ski for resort use don't just get the regular Protest.

You present a good question.

Originally Posted by jmedslc

My main beef w a 190cm long 130 waist ski is that it's heavy and too cumbersome for the Alta shuffle. a lot of the terrain we ski at altabird requires significant traversing, often uphill. a full day of that gets me tired quicker and leaves me w a sore knee. i don't mind hiking all around w the Concepts, but even a small jump to Megawatts leaves me as described.

That is one reason, that and the sheer fact that it is too big. On the praxis pow or the Line prophet 130 my knees would bet SO worn out. I'd ski half a day and my knees would ache for days after.

The bigger reason for me is when I take a drop bigger than 20 feet I would essentially bounce (for lack of a better word). With bigger drops I need to get down into the snow, it helps creates momentary drag and gives me the ability to ski out easier. I can then line up another cliff or just stick it.

Keep in mind I am 5'8" 150#'s. So someone heavier and with a wider stance may not have the bounce or knee issues.

Plus I think it depends on ski style, if I wasn't into drops I could see myself skiing trees or pow in the protest because it simply hauls ass but I'd still have the knee issues.

Originally Posted by skiing_is_partying

The reason I'm considering this as a resort ski, is because in my opinion the huge 130+ waisted skis are a pain in the ass when its not bottomless fluff.
These seem like they'd be unreal in all the heavy wet crap we get on the west coast!

I have noticed that too, with wet heavy snow and that much surface area the skis almost become huge suction cups, and stick like crazy making them impossible to ski/turn.

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Kidwoo,

The cool thing I think about this whole situation is that SO MANY of us wanted the same ski and the industry wasn't making the ski.
I have to hand it to you kidwoo, you are a bad ass for pushing to make this happen, starting the thread, meeting with Keith.
It is cool that you looked at the box the industry had us in and you said eff-it, this is what I want, if others want it too lets get someone to make it.

I just hope this ski is half as good as I think it will be.

Yeah I didn't really do shit that was any different that what I've been bugging keith about for years.

It's everyone else here and Ketih that made it happen. Thank YOU!

^^^ I agree with The Don. This thing needed a critical mass, but somebody had to step up to the plate and lay their cards on the table!

Originally Posted by TheDon

That is one reason, that and the sheer fact that it is too big. On the praxis pow or the Line prophet 130 my knees would bet SO worn out. I'd ski half a day and my knees would ache for days after.


Plus I think it depends on ski style, if I wasn't into drops I could see myself skiing trees or pow in the protest because it simply hauls ass but I'd still have the knee issues.

Exactly what I've been thinking.... I'm totally into all the current powder skis, but coming from skiing something 60mm my whole life in all conditions.... I couldn't get the feel i wanted on 120+ mm waisted skis.

a narrower protest will destroy the deep like its big brother, but you will be able to hold a much stronger position entering icy shoots, traverses and cut up snow. If the taper is as gradual as im expecting, these will hold like no other hopping from edge to edge on steep crap, and excel in other conditions where the fatter options would be slow and anoying.

Originally Posted by xtrmjoe

They will get sollyfits and if it ever snows they will be enjoyed much this year.

Hmmm. You might have to lock them up during the weekends if we ever get snow. My Plums will fit on those Solyfit plates.

call me crazy but I think this ski could be perfectly suitable as a daily driver in western resorts with anything soft. that is basically what I use the regular protest as now, I have to think this would only enhance it. if it can get you through variable crap, hold an edge, and be pretty fun in pow (obviously not as fun as the regular protest) I'm not seeing why it couldn't fit the bill. but what do I know...

Sounds like you guys are looking to fill the spot that the CRJ fits for me. I think someone else already mentioned. This is my first year on them. 180 length with turn tables. I love the reverse taper without the big shovel. They're super maneuverable, I don't snap my tips, the tails release even in crust and heavy baker snow, they can ski bumps (i'm one of the folks that loves to ski bumps) and the tips don't stuff in the deep. I skied side by side runs on Surface Drifters (big shovel) then these, and the quickness and maneuverability was very apparent.

Originally Posted by klikboom

Sounds like you guys are looking to fill the spot that the CRJ fits for me. I think someone else already mentioned.

well -ish... The CRJ isn't going to be as poppy without any carbon in it. It has been mentioned, it has a few of the qualities we're after but not entirely. The tip taper is close, the rocker isn't the same either but close.

I'm also hoping that it super agile and quick like the CRJ's too.

Originally Posted by TheDon

well -ish... The CRJ isn't going to be as poppy without any carbon in it. It has been mentioned, it has a few of the qualities we're after but not entirely. The tip taper is close, the rocker isn't the same either but close.

I'm also hoping that it super agile and quick like the CRJ's too.

Medium or stiff flex in 196? Gotta decide soon. What the peanut gallery say? I'm a level 3 psia (pretty sick into anal) plan on using it for sidecountry, but itll se plenty of inbounds. Really stuck on this...

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Originally Posted by My Pet Powder Goat

Medium or stiff flex in 196? Gotta decide soon. What the peanut gallery say? I'm a level 3 psia (pretty sick into anal) plan on using it for sidecountry, but itll se plenty of inbounds. Really stuck on this...

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