Thread: Replacement Liner Longevity

Been reading up on Intuition replacement liners now that my Tecnica OE liners have started packing out, and it sounds like the Intuitions don't seem to last much longer than the OE's.

By most estimates, the Intuitions last 50-100 days, or about 2 alpine seasons. I got about the same out of my OE's and they were comfy as hell (HiperFit, Diablo Magma).

What other liners should I be looking at if I'm looking to get a longer life out of them? I've heard foam injection liners have a much longer life but aren't as comfortable.

foam liners or zip fits. usualy liners last 100-200 days, so if you are replacing them in 50-100 the shells might be too big? or the liners are not drying out?

why are you replaceing them? what is wrong with them?

As usual,mntlion is speaking words of wisdom. Cant say about other users but I personally have gotten about 100-200 days of the intuitions (or even palaus).
Depending of course how you abuse them. If you do 8-12h skinning days combined with some bell to bell resort days,shit will wear out.
And even then, if you pay 150$ for liners, and they last 150 days, that is...uh...1$ a day? You can manage that?

Ya I read couple of places on here where people said there intuitions only lasted them ~50days which seems crazy to me. I realize it depends on the person, but I would expect an intuition to have a much longer shelf life.

On another note, packed out liners aren't necessarily a bad thing, depending on the level of "pack-out". Packed out liners are how the liner should ski for most of its effective life. There are extents obviously, but I wouldn't trash your liner simply because its packed out. If its totally dead thats another story tho.

personal experience:

stock liners - 50 days and toast
intuition liners - 150 days
foam liners - 400+ days

Have probably had about 50 hard days on the OE liners and they don't ski like they used to...more play throughout the boot so I've had to crank down the buckles a little tighter and ankle bones are packed out to the shell. Yeah, I can probably get more mileage out of them, but I'd rather make the investment now and have peace of mind this season.

I can certainly stomach 100-200 days in the Intuitions. That doesn't seem to be the consensus I've seen on previous posts on TGR though. I spoke w Intuition today and they said 200+ days.

Intuitions seem to get only positive reviews. Should I even bother considering other options: zipfits, foam, OE's?

every different liner suits a different need, depending on what you are looking to accomplish with the fit and flex of the boot, and where you need to take up volume, and where you might want to relieve pressure.

Frankly, I was really happy with my OE's + footbed. Not really looking to accomplish anything new wrt fit or flex. Just time for a replacement.

OE liners are going to run $200 from Tecnica, so I thought I'd explore other options in the same price range. I suppose since the OE's worked great for a few seasons, might as well stick with what I know works. Would be nice to get a little longer than 50 days out of a liner though...

Boot is a 07/08 Tecnica Diablo Magma w HiPerFit liner, size 27.5. Flex is advertised as 115. Fit is one and half fingers between heel and shell. Height 5'11", weight 160 lbs. Ski aggressively.

might want to try a bit thicker sock in the liner you got? or a thicker/more supportive footbed? some "C" pads around the ankle bone can help to stabilize the foot, and bridge the pressure on the ankle bones too. (so you can have the buckles looser, as your foot is held in place better)
if you are going with intuition (lighter, and warmer) go with a higher volume version, to get a bit tighter fit.
can you convert 1.5 fingers to mm for me please? my tape measure doesn't list body parts..

Originally Posted by mntlion

might want to try a bit thicker sock in the liner you got? or a thicker/more supportive footbed? some "C" pads around the ankle bone can help to stabilize the foot, and bridge the pressure on the ankle bones too. (so you can have the buckles looser, as your foot is held in place better)
if you are going with intuition (lighter, and warmer) go with a higher volume version, to get a bit tighter fit.
can you convert 1.5 fingers to mm for me please? my tape measure doesn't list body parts..

Right around 2cm. In my country, we measure things in inches and body parts...

Originally Posted by marshalolson

every different liner suits a different need, depending on what you are looking to accomplish with the fit and flex of the boot, and where you need to take up volume, and where you might want to relieve pressure.

any generalities for what might work better for chicken legs/feet vs a hobbit foot ?

I thot a power wrap deals with chicken ankles/legs well

definately check out the Zipfit

Originally Posted by fcetoface

definately check out the Zipfit

They're essentially the same - heat-moldable liners - except one uses a foam and the other uses a clay/cork compound, right?

Originally Posted by rushbikes

They're essentially the same - heat-moldable liners - except one uses a foam and the other uses a clay/cork compound, right?

in general intuitions will be warmer, possibly more comfortable.
zipfit=more heel hold down power

20 mm shell fit = one size to big. 5-15mm is about right range

I bet if you put the packed out liners, in a boot shell one size smaller, it would feel amazing....

Originally Posted by mntlion

20 mm shell fit = one size to big. 5-15mm is about right range

I bet if you put the packed out liners, in a boot shell one size smaller, it would feel amazing....

I'll have to take an accurate measurement when I get a sec - I always just used the finger method. Kind of a pain to measure the gap behind your heal accurately, ain't it? What do you recommend stuffing in there to measure?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLzUQQGBJus

at about 2minutes they show use of a rectangular go-no-go guage I somehow remember the scarpa guage being 9mm by 14 mm ??

use a thick marker, or dowel to measure...

Used a handful of household items (pen caps & butts of silverware) to build until I got the right size. Yep, about as crude as it gets, but it worked. And judging by the sound of it, professional fitting tools aren't much less crude. The grand result: 13mm. Guess that puts me towards the looser end of a satisfactory fit?

If I were to go with an Intuition liner, fair to say this would put me in the "medium volume" bracket?

Originally Posted by rushbikes

If I were to go with an Intuition liner, fair to say this would put me in the "medium volume" bracket?

that depends on the width and height of the liner vs. your foot.

Originally Posted by rushbikes

If I were to go with an Intuition liner, fair to say this would put me in the "medium volume" bracket?

That is what Crystal sent me for my Tecnica Dragons and before baking, they are really snuck, so i need them baked for some toe box room. Just get the medium Luxury liners and I think you will be stoked. Can you still get in the group buy in Gear Swap?

Longevity of Intuition liners depends on the amount of volume you're relying on them to fill. In a tight and evenly fitting shell (and using custom footbeds), the initial bake will be more dense, and 300+ days is in my experience realistic before packing out. If you're relying on them to take up excess volume (which they do well), and/or don't use a footbed, you'll get a lower density bake, and they'll pack out alot sooner.