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05-03-2012, 03:29 PM #226
oy! such a fuss over a couple friggin' t-bars. there's gonna be hell to pay when somebody tries to bring heli-skiing to alaska...Baka wa shinanakya naoranai!
05-03-2012, 07:59 PM #227
05-03-2012, 08:34 PM #228Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
05-03-2012, 09:01 PM #229Hugh Conway is my moral compass.
05-03-2012, 10:24 PM #230Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
05-03-2012, 11:31 PM #231
It would make more sense to put a couple tows on Tincan if you ask me. More terrain, less trap, more avalanche danger though.But Ellen kicks ass - if she had a beard it would be much more haggard. -Jer
05-03-2012, 11:32 PM #232Registered User
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I have one small piece of information to add to this whole 'conversation', but first;
I have read this thread, but I am unaware of MtnRA's involvement in the whole 'Shames Debacle', so I am in no position to comment on them, or their ability to make this thing work. Although I am in favor of simplistic lift systems that focus on real skiing and not resorts that focus primarily on real estate and F&B to be profitable.
When I first heard of this plan for a new ski area in Alaska, I was intrigued and forwarded a couple of links to the new owner of Alyeska. Who, I figured would be interested and could maybe shine a little more light on the project. As I assumed that he would have some experience in dealing with the laws and regulations in the region as well as an understanding of what it would take to make it work. Apparently he was already familiar with it and responded simply with;
"Never gonna happen"
05-03-2012, 11:38 PM #233
I know its the internet, but the armchair quarterbacking gets pretty old. Come take a look for yourself, go tour up there and see what you think, then comment.
I'm interested to see where this goes and if any of the right parties "step up" and give the idea the boost it needs to actually become a realistic project.
I recently went up and skied some corn on the mellow face, and I must say, manitoba is an absolutely stupid place to tour, its a long flat boring slog with only the top (maybe) 1000 ft being skiable in any real sense (plus the 15 minute skin out is plain annoying). The options off of the top are amazingly impressive, but relative to the terrain in the rest of the area, without quicker access up and out, there are much better options elsewhere.
as to the whiners concerned with public access and motorized use, your concerns have been thoroughly addressed and your fears should have been quenched, but the continued unrealistically negative response makes it seem that there is another issue at play, whats up?
"Never gonna happen"
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05-03-2012, 11:58 PM #234
Course I can see reasons for beginner and intermediate terrain at a resortLord King of the Beater-Kooks
05-04-2012, 12:01 AM #235And yet you choose to live in Cordova one of the very few places in AK that has a public, albeit small ski hill that the community is very( rightly so) proud of. You even volunteer there from what I understand??????? How do your kids( who are rippers) feel about it...have you asked them?
I volunteer because I think it is a great resource for the kids of our town. I enjoy watching the kids walk up to the hill. I do not see Manitoba in the same light.
There will never be any kids walking up to the hill after school to ski there. Manitoba is being pushed as an economic engine for the community. Our town knows that is not possible with our hill.
If they want to actually build a resort to serve a community I mentioned earlier the mat su borough and Hatcher Pass better fits the bill. I was informed here that they looked at Hatcher but thought the snow was not as reliable. I have my doubts on how hard they looked. A simple check of the snotels shows 35" presently at Summit Lake and 54" at the last recording at Independence Mine.
Anyway politics is what you get
L involved with when you have been somewhere too long. There are not many issues that I get too worked up about. Preserving accessible ski touring is one of them.
As for my kids they have seen me make a fool of myself before over these issues. They could care less about Manitoba. But hopefully 3o years from now they won't be saying. dad was right. Hopefully there will be important issues to them and preserving what they enjoy now will be one of them. Either way at least they will know it is ok to have an opinion and take a stand and sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.
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05-04-2012, 12:16 AM #236
05-04-2012, 01:13 AM #237Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
05-04-2012, 02:07 AM #238
Bottom line. It's a cool little pocket of the world, no it's not the most rad thing ever but it has potential to help out some locals and bring skiing to a lot of peeps that wouldn't otherwise go into the mtns. What's the big deal? Go hike, sled, heli, whatever, nobody gives a fuck what you do, why hate on this desperate local grassroots attempt at sustainability? What do you suggest to bring in for the winter that will attract families and keep the frikken school open and prevent a awesome little place from becoming another Alaska ghosttown?
05-07-2012, 09:55 AM #239
Here's a little helmet cam from last week off the top of Manitoba Mountain.
05-07-2012, 08:48 PM #240Hugh Conway is my moral compass.
05-07-2012, 08:54 PM #241Hugh Conway is my moral compass.
05-07-2012, 08:55 PM #242Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
05-07-2012, 10:22 PM #243
ok, keep it simple. why do you hate on this hugh? why is this a bad idea?Baka wa shinanakya naoranai!
05-07-2012, 10:26 PM #244Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
05-08-2012, 07:54 AM #245
you can. that also applies to almost all mechanized access just about everywhere.
personally i'd like to see more small local hills. remains to be seen if they can survive. there are good reasons why so many died off in the last 30 years.Baka wa shinanakya naoranai!
05-08-2012, 10:20 AM #246
What is a local hill? Is Silverton a local hill?off your knees Louie
05-08-2012, 06:12 PM #247
I'm not sure why I keep responding, as I know your negative spew has no bounds, but I guess I just can't fathom why you would be so unreasonably against something that will only do good for the local community.
05-08-2012, 06:42 PM #248Baka wa shinanakya naoranai!
05-08-2012, 08:04 PM #249my definition of a "local hill" is an affordable place just down the road a piece where your kids can learn to crush it and you can jam a few laps and then drink beers in the sun with your buddies. silverton is not that. manitoba might be.
I think the whole MRA website is a joke. I would be embarrassed to have my name associated with it.
If you draw a 25 mile radius from Manitoba you will have less people than the town of Silverton. You need 25 miles to include Hope, Moose Pass and Cooper Landing the communities in this area. You would not find enough local people to staff your hill in this area.
There are places like Valdez and Palmer that are screaming for a lift. There is an established ski scene. The locals are doing road runs with their cars. A busy weekend at hatcher pass could have a few hundred people shuttling road runs. Valdez probably less do to the population. These are places a model like they are talking about may have a chance of success. At least their is a sizable enough population base to support the hill financially or through volunteer effort when that fails.
I do not know Dave Scanlon. I will say people move to Hope because there is nothing going on. This resort will do nothing for the town of Hope or the dozen or so kids that live there. The only benefit could be to the gas station if they have one there. If those kids want to become rippers they better buy skins. Worked for my kids.off your knees Louie
05-08-2012, 08:19 PM #250Lord King of the Beater-Kooks