Thread: 2011-2012 Jackson/Targhee/Tetons/Togwotee Weather, Conditions & Stoke Thread

Seems like a cultural difference that putting in an enticing lift won't exactly change

Originally Posted by MickeysEars

I'm making the point that in NA and in particular Jackson there seems to be this unique issue of people getting lost when it just doesn't happen in places that are far more hardcore... So the argument that you don't build a lift because there are loads of crap skiers is a lame argument. Christ you have signs all over the place and gates yet these losers get into trouble every year... Do you see people dropping off the back side of the Grande Motte in Europe? No... not unless they know what they are doing... do people go over the back of Brevant in Chamonix? Nope... But people turn right out of the gates at Cody bowl all the time and end up in Granite...

What about that guy that went out of bounds at Targhee 2 years ago and died... and the family blame resort / rescue service....yet the place was closeed and the signs were clear.... the issue is brain dead skiers that are way out of their depth...yeah not having a lift keeps more tracks for people who like to hike (me included) but for places to move on new lift get built... They may as well lose the Tram on the basis of that argument and make everyone hike....

Originally Posted by neckdeep

...sounds like rich people problems.

Come over to the west side

It is teh problems of the first world, but they are our first world problems...

...and no way am I coming over to the west side, but I do feel bad for Targhee devotees such as yourself. You should come over here.

Noob here. You are implying Grand Targhee is poorly ran, has poor lifts, and can't pay their bills on time? I only ask this stuff because I may....try and go cat skiing, but I don't want to go if it is a shady operation.

What are you saying again here?

Originally Posted by neckdeep

Waa waa cry me a river.....sounds like rich people problems. Frankly, you guys are sorta whining despite your luck considering how the Village ownership has a plan and big money to spend keeping things up to date and in working order. Yet somehow your pass prices go down 30% despite massive infrastructure upgrades. Gee, a new tram and lift for $600 less than 2008. That's got to really hurt.

Come over to the west side where our prices have gone up 100% over the last ten years and we get NOTHING to show for it. Just a petulant rich kid for an owner, who I have been told has expressed resentment at being forced to "run a charity" for local skiers after his plans to fall ass backwards into a few hundred million real estate bucks flopped miserably. It would be nice if someone with a little vision for ski operations instead of real estate flips and some cash like the Kemmerers took over soon (persistent rumor is the owner is waiting for values to rebound before selling out to the Huntsman family). The lifts are creaky as fuck and can't handle heavy storms anymore, the overnight lodging is falling apart and grooming has been cut back 50% over the last two seasons. There are no plans to upgrade anything over here and it's no secret that the resort can't even pay all its bills on time. Sure seems like things are on hold til the place can be sold off. Attracting destination skiers is a necessary evil if you want a modern, functioning resort and weekenders subsidizing the local's season passes. Seems like the Village and the ghee are going in opposite directions, so count your blessings, such as they are.

Heading up 25th to Tetons and got a couple q's:

Can anyone recommend a good shop in the Teton Pass area that rents splitboards?
In the market for vouchers/discounted tix for JH or Targhee if anyone wants to unload.

Much appreciated!

fortysix&2,

check out the boardroom in town. call ahead of time and they will set you up on a voile 166cm. I'm 6' 180lbs and found it to be a little big in the trees but manageable. $40 a day

Originally Posted by Woolly the Mammoth

...and no way am I coming over to the west side, but I do feel bad for Targhee devotees such as yourself. You should come over here.

Quoted for truth

Originally Posted by powder_prophet

Quoted for truth

Please I know

No he's not, the comparison was relative. They're just not the world class resort that JHMR is.

Originally Posted by Loinlover

Noob here. You are implying Grand Targhee is poorly ran, has poor lifts, and can't pay their bills on time?

Nd, go ski the village......better yet move to sun valley. you want the fancy shit git the fuck out of TV. Targhee will be better w/out your surly ass. You must be a member of the new church going in at 700s. TOOL

Originally Posted by JBC

Nd, go ski the village......better yet move to sun valley. you want the fancy shit git the fuck out of TV. Targhee will be better w/out your surly ass. You must be a member of the new church going in at 700s. TOOL

Hmmmm....been out here for one season and you think the locals give a shit about you and your opinion. If you hadn't just unpacked your car, you wouldn't care where your momo neighbors build their crazy meetinghalls. Do you even have Idaho plates on your car yet? I think you're just some noob who just got out here and jumped right into the not-in-my-back-VARD culture war over the new stake on 700s. News flash noob: some cranky old hippies and the rich new homeowners in VARD are the only ones who want that temple in Victor. Nobody local gives a shit. The city government does not want a six acre tax exempt block crammed into the town center. You didn't know that because you are a big city dumbfuck and you don't appreciate the basic importance of getting along with people in a small town. You just got here and now you are telling people off. Nobody local calls this place the "TV". It's just "the valley." You better stay anonymous. Maybe if you'd been around for awhile, you'd know some local history and how the ghee's infrastructure has deteriorated with no plan (or money, apparently) for fixing it and keepng the place running in the future. For better or worse, the resort is our winter lifeline and, economically, we need a nice enough resort to keep some destination skiers in the mix. Without enough vacation skiers, the resort's business plan will be property development and high pass prices or did you think that through, pinhead? Did you like how the lifts conked out during big storms systems the last two years? Do you think the resort's financial troubles bode well for the future? Do you think lifts just grow out of the earth...whatever....you'll be lookin for a new ski town job somewhere else in eight months so what skin do you have in the game? I've spent over 800 powder days up there and Ullr only knows how much coin. I guess you are just Mr. Positivity (unless it has something to do with momos and their temple). Myself, I just found it laughable that folks would complain about getting a tram and two new lifts while their pass prices go down. I'm like, hey, send some of that bottomless wealth over here, we'll share that burden.

LoinLover, please come and go cat skiing. Nothin shady going on, just a man without a plan (besides real estate flips). The terrain isn't really impressive but the tree skiing on Peaked is pretty good and the guides are good people. Walshy is a hoot, always fun to be around.

At the airport in Portland, Maine waiting on a jet plane. Will be flying in to SLC today and driving up to Jackson tomorrow. Out for the week. I have a car with room and definitely will buy beers and a burger or fish taco afterwards if anyone wants to show me around. i have a full bc kit.

Lee

Originally Posted by fortysix&2

Heading up 25th to Tetons and got a couple q's:

Can anyone recommend a good shop in the Teton Pass area that rents splitboards?
In the market for vouchers/discounted tix for JH or Targhee if anyone wants to unload.

Much appreciated!

The ghee has a pass holder "friends and family" benefit that allows us to buy up to 4 tix a day for $55 each. It's only $14 savings per ticket but it adds up if you are buying multiple tickets. If you offered me a 24oz beer in the parking lot, you would be my friend. Probly work with most of my friends as well.

Originally Posted by neckdeep

Waa waa cry me a river.....sounds like rich people problems. Frankly, you guys are sorta whining despite your luck considering how the Village ownership has a plan and big money to spend keeping things up to date and in working order. Yet somehow your pass prices go down 30% despite massive infrastructure upgrades. Gee, a new tram and lift for $600 less than 2008. That's got to really hurt.

Come over to the west side where our prices have gone up 100% over the last ten years and we get NOTHING to show for it. Just a petulant rich kid for an owner, who I have been told has expressed resentment at being forced to "run a charity" for local skiers after his plans to fall ass backwards into a few hundred million real estate bucks flopped miserably. It would be nice if someone with a little vision for ski operations instead of real estate flips and some cash like the Kemmerers took over soon (persistent rumor is the owner is waiting for values to rebound before selling out to the Huntsman family). The lifts are creaky as fuck and can't handle heavy storms anymore, the overnight lodging is falling apart and grooming has been cut back 50% over the last two seasons. There are no plans to upgrade anything over here and it's no secret that the resort can't even pay all its bills on time. Sure seems like things are on hold til the place can be sold off. Attracting destination skiers is a necessary evil if you want a modern, functioning resort and weekenders subsidizing the local's season passes. Seems like the Village and the ghee are going in opposite directions, so count your blessings, such as they are.

Or you could take a longer time perspective, say 15 years, and say that we have 2 new high speed quads, new terrain on SAC , open gates and cheaper passes. Sure the last few years have been tough and some poor real estate decisions have been made, but Geordie's hardly the only one you could say that about.

And nice use of unsubstantiated rumor to slander someone.

None of which was planned and paid for by the current owner. That was Booth Creek, pre-birthday present. Get it right, PD - a land swap, a broken patio, a new deck for the bar, malfunctioning pass scanners and new cats but no diesel to run them, thats the current legacy of the present owner. Pass prices were $299 when he took over and now they are $599. Half my riding buddies are gone because he inexplicably took away the vert value program AND the payment plans, necessities for struggling locals with family and house bills. I love the place but none of my numerous city friends will come and spend money here on a multiday vacation trip and half my local friends have been chased off to the BC.

Originally Posted by neckdeep

None of which was planned and paid for by the current owner. That was Booth Creek, pre-birthday present. Get it right, PD - a land swap, a broken patio, a new deck for the bar, malfunctioning pass scanners and new cats but no diesel to run them, thats the current legacy of the present owner. Pass prices were $299 when he took over and now they are $599. Half my riding buddies are gone because he inexplicably took away the vert value program AND the payment plans, necessities for struggling locals with family and house bills. I love the place but none of my numerous city friends will come and spend money here on a multiday vacation trip and half my local friends have been chased off to the BC.

Sounds like you had better just say fuck it and commit to the pass or park full time. If you cant pay another $300 bucks for your beloved Targhee pass, then quit crying about it and start touring. Beats the last 7 passes I have bought at the village, $1600 and I dont bitch one bit....totally worth it for 135 day party. Bogus Basin in boise still has a $300 pass, is kinda like riding Targhee inbounds, and it has a city within 16 miles! Maybe you would be happier there.

I'd pay $1000 if it came with the plan to invest that money in a lift up Peaked and maybe some lodging that isn't 20 years old and looking like a crappy Best Western. Cuz if they don't, I'll be paying $1000 soon enough for the same hill. Seeing prices rising while services deteriorate...lets put this back in original context. The Kemmerer's are investing big money into the Village's on-mountain operations and supporting the local economy in hard times by lowering pass prices. They are showing a commitment to SKIING and back it with their money. And people are complaining? Then harshing on me for pointing out how things are pretty much the opposite over here. In my obnoxious way, admittedly, but if you don't like the way I get salty, fuck off. Don't read it. If you haven't figured out yet that I hyperbolize just to get a rise out of people, you must be new around here. I can't see why anyone thinks the ghee will remain magically suspended in amber for our lifetime. Stuff wears out. Like my patience, right about now. Thank Ullr its snowing.

yeah, so why aren't you skiing?
Gotta admit, those DC lift issues didn't really set well with me last month...what was the problem, first i heard motor, then an iced haul rope...

Quit yer bitchin', y'all.
I guarantee it will snow hard now.
Why?


Acl surgery for me ASAP.
Enjoy your angst over two of the coolest ski areas in the US.

Originally Posted by Tye 1on

yeah, so why aren't you skiing?

Cuz, in the words of SuperGaper, I'm a "total powder pussy" and I know it. Got 4" since first report. Noon to close today, I think. Ok, bye.

Originally Posted by rideit

Quit yer bitchin', y'all.
I guarantee it will snow hard now.
Why?


Acl surgery for me ASAP.

Oh man, again? Please tell me this is an old injury repair. How do you keep doing this and stay alive? You are a wild man, W. Remember 10 years ago, I was the one who couldn't stop getting hurt? Lesson learned. Smashing my kidney last year was enough. Now, I just ride to ride again tomorrow. Good luck under the knife, mon frere.

Thanks.
This is my other knee now, might as well be balanced!
Skied two turns on a snow king groomer, with 4 year old Ben and wifey, going slooow.
Went down, dynafit didn't release, ripped the ligament off of the bone.
I see Rork at two.
Rough night.
Go get some for me.

oh, man, heal quick dood-

Originally Posted by Stanley

...
What you need to fear is the resorts effort to increase visitation, not how they direct the current traffic levels.

this is the real issue and if you haven't noticed JHMR is spending a lot more money recently advertising and getting up high on those Ski magazine top xxx lists. a few extra lifts that let folks get more turns and access better terrain on their vacations from real life is a good thing. and let's be honest, 75% of the "locals" are from the east coast and haven't been there for more than a few seasons anyway. go figure how a town of 10,000 has 9,999 hardcore extreme skiers living in it that don't want to share access to public forest land.

Originally Posted by rideit

Thanks.
This is my other knee now, might as well be balanced!
Skied two turns on a snow king groomer, with 4 year old Ben and wifey, going slooow.
Went down, dynafit didn't release, ripped the ligament off of the bone.
I see Rork at two.
Rough night.
Go get some for me.

Jeez, dude. Sorry to hear that and hope you recover quick. Enjoy the drugs, at least.

Had my deepest day of the year today on a N aspect around 10000ft. Hasty pits consistantly showed easy failures in the newest 10cms or so and hard failures on the newest drought layer. HS around 260cm

Lots and lots of sluff running slowly but not to be taken lightly.