Thread: OBAMACARE- You aren't going to like this...

Originally Posted by 4matic

Medicare covered that treatment? Tea Party says let him die.

Private insurance paid for most of it. High dollar private insurance. His co-pay was $5.00 per visit no matter what was done.

And you have it wrong. It's leftist scum that want to kill off the elderly. At least once a year, some Democrat pig proposes a 100% estate tax.

Make no mistake, Obamacare has death panels.

Originally Posted by mrw

Private insurance paid for most of it. High dollar private insurance. His co-pay was $5.00 per visit no matter what was done.

And you have it wrong. It's leftist scum that want to kill off the elderly. At least once a year, some Democrat pig proposes a 100% estate tax.

Make no mistake, Obamacare has death panels.

Let me guess, you father was an insurance salesman as well?

Originally Posted by Bunion

Let me guess, you father was an insurance salesman as well?

Dad was yes but I was referring to my grandfather who was an undertaker.

The mrw clan profits from mayhem.

Originally Posted by mrw

The mrw clan profits from mayhem.

...and operates with 76% of the normal amount of chromosomes.

edit: I will wait here while you look up what chromosomes do.

Originally Posted by mrw

Dad was yes but I was referring to my grandfather who was an undertaker.

The mrw Klan profits from mayhem.

FIFY

Sorry, I missed where you wrote "my Grandfather".

And you have it wrong. It's leftist scum that want to kill off the elderly. At least once a year, some Democrat pig proposes a 100% estate tax.

So please explain how an estate tax causes mortality. I was under the impression the tax was levied AFTER they had gone on to the "Great Gig in The Sky".

Originally Posted by Bunion

So please explain how an estate tax causes mortality. I was under the impression the tax was levied AFTER they had gone on the the "Great Gig in The Sky".

Originally Posted by JimmyCarter

He lived to 94 and I mean LIVED. Traveled, sailed his boat, had a great time.

Oh, now I get it, by burning up MRWs inheritance while really living and in order to avoid estate tax, it killed him!

Brilliant logic Mr. Spock.

Originally Posted by mrw

Wow, old and useless at 76 so just fuckin die.

My grandfather was diagnosed with cancer at 78. Aggressive treatment followed. He lived to 94 and I mean LIVED. Traveled, sailed his boat, had a great time.

The problem for the leftist scum was he was retired and not contributing to society. he was spending his money which he saved. They would rather have confiscated it upon his early death.

This is why I loathe the left.

Quoted for absolute truth.

Originally Posted by mrw

Wow, old and useless at 76 so just fuckin die.

My grandfather was diagnosed with cancer at 78. Aggressive treatment followed. He lived to 94 and I mean LIVED. Traveled, sailed his boat, had a great time.

The problem for the leftist scum was he was retired and not contributing to society. he was spending his money which he saved. They would rather have confiscated it upon his early death.

This is why I loathe the left.

Hold on.

Who paid for his cancer treatment - his Private insurer or Medicare?

Originally Posted by mrw

The problem for the leftist scum was he was retired and not contributing to society. he was spending his money which he saved. They would rather have confiscated it upon his early death.

This is why I loathe the left.

This is pretty confusing. For this reason you loathe the left and yet the right wants to deny everyone medical, let them die and (by your reasoning) mostly to take their saved money. So obviously you must loathe the right as well. So who do you not loathe? Or have you just not thought this through much. Emotional over reaction can be so much more fun then reasoned thought.

My point about the 76 year old is why would someone that old want to put themselves through aggressive cancer treatment at that age...... and when do you stop throwing public money at a lost or loosing cause. It all depends how aggressive a treatment and how healthy a 76 year old of course.

It still leaves the question, where is the line or should there be a line? Should an obese, sedentary, life long smoker who won't change their ways get expensive treatment at 76? Of course that raises the question whether an extreme sports participant should get knee reconstruction. Our obese, alcoholic, sedentary provincial premier once posed the question about the sports participant but oddly failed to consider the lifestyle issues.

My personal favourite is the 63 year old that was refused IVR treatments so went to her native India for them. Guess what? She returned to Canada to give birth and take care of all the predictable complications for free. There have been cases of brain dead 80 year olds being kept alive at any cost at threat of lawsuit just because the family didn't know how to let go.

Of course the flip side is your Father never saves any money because it all gets spent paying right wing funding private insurers huge premiums for coverage that will be denied any chance they get if and when he gets seriously sick.

I think there should be a line and it just plain needs to be discussed to figure out where it should be. It should NOT be left up to private insurers to set, blur and move at will of profit hungry shareholders.

Originally Posted by L7

This is pretty confusing. For this reason you loathe the left and yet the right wants to deny everyone medical, let them die and (by your reasoning) mostly to take their saved money. So obviously you must loathe the right as well. So who do you not loathe? Or have you just not thought this through much. Emotional over reaction can be so much more fun then reasoned thought.

Bwhahahahahahaha

I think there should be a line and it just plain needs to be discussed to figure out where it should be. It should NOT be left up to private insurers to set, blur and move at will of profit hungry shareholders.

Why do you hate the Free Market?

Originally Posted by Tippster

Hold on.

Who paid for his cancer treatment - his Private insurer or Medicare?

Are you blonde? re-read the thread

Originally Posted by L7

This is pretty confusing. For this reason you loathe the left and yet the right wants to deny everyone medical, let them die and (by your reasoning) mostly to take their saved money. So obviously you must loathe the right as well. So who do you not loathe? Or have you just not thought this through much. Emotional over reaction can be so much more fun then reasoned thought.

There is some confusion here but it's mostly yours. The right doesn't want to deny everyone medical care, they want the government out of the business of providing medical care.

Now, if you view government as the source of all things I can understand why you say what you do about the right. But for the rest of us who don't see(nor rely upon) the government as the source of all things, your statement about the right is just silly and completely without basis.

I think there should be a line and it just plain needs to be discussed to figure out where it should be. It should NOT be left up to private insurers to set, blur and move at will of profit hungry shareholders.

"Profit hungry shareholders" can be dealt with through competition and the proper regulation. Self-appointed world improvers, hopelessly ensconced in the bureaucracy of big government, purporting to act in our best interest, are far more difficult to control.

I'll take profit hungry shareholders any day.

If you want expensive private insurance, no one is stopping you. Everybody else should be able to get reasonable, affordable health insurance, something the present system is not providing.

To keep it reasonable and affordable not every patient with cancer will get treated, just the ones with a justifiably treatable cancer. If you want to treat basically untreatable conditions buy private insurance.

Far too many people are treated for conditions that are basically untreatable, at phenomenally high expense, extremely poor prognosis and suffer miserably because of it. That is not reasonable and affordable health care. I am not saying through grandma under the bus, but let's make wise and prudent medical decisions. The above granny made some wise choices, and benefited, but in the end also made a wise choice not to under go further treatment. These are the kind if people we need to learn from.

A friend if mine recently lost both parents to cancer, and both elected to call it quits when the prognosis with more treatments was near zero. Why suffer more when ever doctor admitted that the chance of success beyond a month or two was zero. "Some times you just got to say 'What the Fuck'".

Originally Posted by L7

This is pretty confusing. For this reason you loathe the left and yet the right wants to deny everyone medical, let them die and (by your reasoning) mostly to take their saved money. So obviously you must loathe the right as well. So who do you not loathe? Or have you just not thought this through much. Emotional over reaction can be so much more fun then reasoned thought.

My point about the 76 year old is why would someone that old want to put themselves through aggressive cancer treatment at that age...... and when do you stop throwing public money at a lost or loosing cause. It all depends how aggressive a treatment and how healthy a 76 year old of course.

It still leaves the question, where is the line or should there be a line? Should an obese, sedentary, life long smoker who won't change their ways get expensive treatment at 76? Of course that raises the question whether an extreme sports participant should get knee reconstruction. Our obese, alcoholic, sedentary provincial premier once posed the question about the sports participant but oddly failed to consider the lifestyle issues.

My personal favourite is the 63 year old that was refused IVR treatments so went to her native India for them. Guess what? She returned to Canada to give birth and take care of all the predictable complications for free. There have been cases of brain dead 80 year olds being kept alive at any cost at threat of lawsuit just because the family didn't know how to let go.

Of course the flip side is your Father never saves any money because it all gets spent paying right wing funding private insurers huge premiums for coverage that will be denied any chance they get if and when he gets seriously sick.

I think there should be a line and it just plain needs to be discussed to figure out where it should be. It should NOT be left up to private insurers to set, blur and move at will of profit hungry shareholders.

You had better square away your thinking because if you are under thirty, the chances of you living to 100 are pretty high. That is of course if you can access the best the FREE MARKET medical community has to offer.

If on the other hand, you are forced to wait years for tests or surgery and must face a death panel hearing prior to being treated or denied treatment and sent to an "end of life counselor", you are going to die early.

Nothing is for free no matter what the Democrat party tells you. Give them control of your health and they OWN YOU.

Originally Posted by hutash

If you want expensive private insurance, no one is stopping you. Everybody else should be able to get reasonable, affordable health insurance, something the present system is not providing.

To keep it reasonable and affordable not every patient with cancer will get treated, just the ones with a justifiably treatable cancer. If you want to treat basically untreatable conditions buy private insurance.

Far too many people are treated for conditions that are basically untreatable, at phenomenally high expense, extremely poor prognosis and suffer miserably because of it. That is not reasonable and affordable health care. I am not saying through grandma under the bus, but let's make wise and prudent medical decisions. The above granny made some wise choices, and benefited, but in the end also made a wise choice not to under go further treatment. These are the kind if people we need to learn from.

A friend if mine recently lost both parents to cancer, and both elected to call it quits when the prognosis with more treatments was near zero. Why suffer more when ever doctor admitted that the chance of success beyond a month or two was zero. "Some times you just got to say 'What the Fuck'".

There is a HUGE difference between saying "what the fuck" and having a government bureaucrat say "FUCK YOU"

Originally Posted by hutash

If you want expensive private insurance, no one is stopping you.

Your boys in the government are trying their damndest.

Originally Posted by mrw

Are you blonde?

RACIST!!!

Originally Posted by Tippster

Hold on.

Who paid for his cancer treatment - his Private insurer or Medicare?

He said "most paid by pvt" so to translate, Medicare paid 80% and his secondary picked up the 20%, just like all the rich people, duh.

also MRW, your awesome 1st post left out a few fear-mongering devices "distilled" from the text of Obamacare:

pg. 2443, line 21(c): all heterosexuals must undergo an "am I gay test phase" of being forced to have sex with a citizen of their approximate age, body type and gender.

pg. 19,487, line 3: anyone believing in "god" or "gods" will have their right brain neurons chemically scrambled until the symptoms dissipate.

pg. 482,983 line 1,776: (the liberty clause) all small-business owners will be taxed at a rate of 150-190% of their gross receipts to pay for low-income minority GBLT cosmetic procedures such as various augmentations, gender reassignments and wrinkle mitigation.

I hope leftist scum leave the elderly alone. I do fully support them in killing mrw.

Originally Posted by mrw

Are you blonde? re-read the thread

I did:

Originally Posted by mrw

Private insurance paid for most of it. High dollar private insurance. His co-pay was $5.00 per visit no matter what was done.

So I paid for at least part of it. Why was your Grandfather such a socialist?

And you have it wrong. It's leftist scum that want to kill off the elderly. At least once a year, some Democrat pig proposes a 100% estate tax.

Even if true (and it's not) how would that kill off the elderly? Estate tax is something that gets paid AFTER YOU DIE.

Make no mistake, Obamacare has death panels.

I would rather have someone on the public payroll decide whether or not i can be reimbursed for treatment than some corporate flunky whose sole reason for being is to increase his company's bottom line.

Originally Posted by Rubicon

There is some confusion here but it's mostly yours. The right doesn't want to deny everyone medical care, they want the government out of the business of providing medical care.

No shit - They say healthcare isn't a right, but a privilege for the few who can afford it (or at least partially, like MRW's commie Grandpa) They will sell their souls to leave Healthcare solely in the hands of a for-profit industry whose track record of keeping healthcare affordable is dismal at best. Why do you defend this?

Honestly - why not have a basic level of care that is available to all, then pay extra for your Cadillac plans? The numbers seem to show that out-of-pocket costs would be no higher than they are now, and that monthly premiums are much more likely to go down over time rather than rise by 20%/annum as they are now if we maintain the status quo.

Medicare comes with a scumbag hat.

Originally Posted by Rubicon

Your boys in the government are trying their damndest.

Did you bother to watch that, or do you just keep a stash of Barney videos handy to link?

How does a single payer system prevent anybody from having private insurance? It certainly happens in many/most countries with functional healthcare, a list we are not included on.

Originally Posted by Rubicon

There is some confusion here but it's mostly yours. The right doesn't want to deny everyone medical care, they want the government out of the business of providing medical care.

OOORRRRR the confusion is you simply interpret the same ideas and concepts in a totally different way because you just want your 'right wing' to be right. Hence the name as far as I'm concerned.

Originally Posted by Rubicon

"Profit hungry shareholders" can be dealt with through competition and the proper regulation.

Ding ding ding ding. That's fine so why not focus on that and get on with it instead of focusing on whatever interpretation you and yours put on the 'left wing scum'. The free market is only functional or even free when there is competition to keep it in check.

The world of giant corporate political donations to whichever party or group will protect the profit for profit hungry shareholders has only done one thing. It has caused many if not all large corporations to focus on maximizing profit by monopolizing markets instead of competing to provide a functional fair priced service in health care, gas and oil, electric and food for that matter or whatever else. Note most of these are essential services or products not open to much foreign competition. They are easier to conglomerate a bigger chunk of pie and hold the users ransom.

What I rely on my government to do is regulate to help enhance and continue competition so I can make/pay my way through a fairly costed and profitable system. Not a fucking shareholders, keep making the top 1% richer gougefest or die. Sadly every time someone (the left) suggests more regulation to create more competition the right screams 'socialism' and free market haters. Meanwhile users have fewer and fewer choices (the choice is often which position they'd like while being ass raped) and often no choice so strangely pricing goes through the roof.

At this point regulating the health industry to create competition is like closing the barn door after the horse is out. So why not talk about or even try gov't health care like the rest of the 'free', first world gets and the donations to the party that will scream loudest keep coming in. If was at least given a fair shot maybe it's the one thing that could make the health industry reel in it's monopolistic profit sucking ways and consider some fair pricing for reasonable services even (especially) when people are really sick.

Originally Posted by Tippster

I did:


So I paid for at least part of it. Why was your Grandfather such a socialist?


Even if true (and it's not) how would that kill off the elderly? Estate tax is something that gets paid AFTER YOU DIE.


I would rather have someone on the public payroll decide whether or not i can be reimbursed for treatment than some corporate flunky whose sole reason for being is to increase his company's bottom line.


No shit - They say healthcare isn't a right, but a privilege for the few who can afford it (or at least partially, like MRW's commie Grandpa) They will sell their souls to leave Healthcare solely in the hands of a for-profit industry whose track record of keeping healthcare affordable is dismal at best. Why do you defend this?

Honestly - why not have a basic level of care that is available to all, then pay extra for your Cadillac plans? The numbers seem to show that out-of-pocket costs would be no higher than they are now, and that monthly premiums are much more likely to go down over time rather than rise by 20%/annum as they are now if we maintain the status quo.

To address my socialist grandpa... If someone is FORCED to pay into a program all of their working life, then they would be an asshole to walk away from getting something back to offset what was stolen from them. The same goes for social security. I come from a family of small business owners. We pay double the SS tax than you do. I consistently say, let them write me a check for what has been stolen from me and we'll call it even. Otherwise, at some point I am going to make it my business to hammer the motherfuckers for every penny I can squeeze out of them to recover my stolen money.

As to the government providing a basic layer of health care to all, within years, the cost would outstrip even the Cadillac coverage you will be forced to maintain to ensure adequate care. The government has proven it ca not manage even the most basic of services without bungling the job.

Most people who cry that they can't afford health care have cell phones, cable TV and a host of other things they piss their money away on. I agree there should be a safety net for AMERICAN CITIZENS who are destitute. I will never agree with the government providing basic health care to all. Just like the cancer they will deny treatment for, they will consume the host, killing the system with regulation and cost containment.

In short, if you care enough about yourself, budget and pay for your own health care. Otherwise deal with the consequences.