Thread: OBAMACARE- You aren't going to like this...

Originally Posted by Triage

So where to turn to for actual news these days? Seriously how do the fuckwhits fuck that up?

Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

So where to turn to for actual news these days? Seriously how do the fuckwhits fuck that up?

You have to pay, Reuters, Bloomberg, Dow Jones, and it isn't cheap.

Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

Seriously how do the fuckwhits fuck that up?

I guess it's somewhat understandable given the ruling..

But I'd imagine there are some staff rearrangements going on at both FOX and CNN.

Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

So where to turn to for actual news these days? Seriously how do the fuckwhits fuck that up?

SCOTUS opinion = TLDR so they just flip a coin.

Originally Posted by 4matic

You have to pay, Reuters, Bloomberg, Dow Jones, and it isn't cheap.

Or pledge?

Originally Posted by systemoverblow'd

If ANYONE thinks the government getting involved in our healthcare system is a good idea they need a hole in their head.

Seems to work just fine North of the Border, Across the Atlantic, across the Pacific... you name it. We're the ONLY G8 country without a Universal Government Healthcare system.

Originally Posted by systemoverblow'd

Yeah, make their parents pay for a family plan for a person who should be able to support themselves long before then. Parents with kids shold be more pissed than anyone. My buddy pays $15K a year for his family plan he was just telling me on facebook. He has to pay that now for the next 20 years and I assume it is only going to go up as years go on.

That's idiotic. Nothing is FORCING the parents to pay for their kids. If the kids want to get their own insurance they can. All the law says is that the parents' insurance CAN cover their kids until 26, not that it HAS to.

Originally Posted by 4matic

CNN is crumbling. Sell it to Reuters.

Fuck that - we don't want it.

Originally Posted by 4matic

You have to pay, Reuters, Bloomberg, Dow Jones, and it isn't cheap.

www.reuters.com All you need is an internet connection.

Originally Posted by Tippster

www.reuters.com All you need is an internet connection.

True, but if you want breaking news and sector specific news it is very expensive.

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

I guess it's somewhat understandable given the ruling..

But I'd imagine there are some staff rearrangements going on at both FOX and CNN.

I saw it on CNN, so I can't talk about the others, but the CNN faux paus was from reading an incomplete statement and drawing a conclusion before the rest of the statement was available. They were correct in that Roberts found the law did not work using the commerce clause, which was the first bit of information available. Later it was learned he upheld in on tax grounds. Were CNN made the mistake was extrapolating that first statement to mean the act was struck down. Had they waited not even five minutes for the complete statement this wouldn't have happen, but then Faux news might have got the story out 30 seconds before them.

Originally Posted by hutash

I saw it on CNN, so I can't talk about the others, but the CNN faux paus was from reading an incomplete statement and drawing a conclusion before the rest of the statement was available. They were correct in that Roberts found the law did not work using the commerce clause, which was the first bit of information available. Later it was learned he upheld in on tax grounds. Were CNN made the mistake was extrapolating that first statement to mean the act was struck down. Had they waited not even five minutes for the complete statement this wouldn't have happen, but then Faux news might have got the story out 30 seconds before them.

Yes. Exactly what I meant.

Also. You have to wonder if Robert's didn't perhaps deliberately make his ruling overly dramatic? "see I am a good guy really!" type thing?

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

65 percent of Americans say Obama better suited to handle alien invasion than Romney

You feel free to vote for Romney though.

Just don't complain here about the post invasion anal probing.

I was probed by aliens once. It really wasn't so bad, they were very modest and respectful about the hole thing. While I cannot say it was pleasant, it was not as bad as airport security.

Originally Posted by hutash

I saw it on CNN, so I can't talk about the others, but the CNN faux paus was from reading an incomplete statement and drawing a conclusion before the rest of the statement was available. They were correct in that Roberts found the law did not work using the commerce clause, which was the first bit of information available. Later it was learned he upheld in on tax grounds. Were CNN made the mistake was extrapolating that first statement to mean the act was struck down. Had they waited not even five minutes for the complete statement this wouldn't have happen, but then Faux news might have got the story out 30 seconds before them.

And I saw it on FOX. The way Roberts wrote his decision, he determined the law was unconstitutional on two different grounds before he turned activist and rewrote the law (Which doesn't use the word TAX anywhere in all 200+ pages) to make the mandate a constitutionally accepable tax.

Within the context of no one expecting Roberts to lose his mind two or twenty two pages later, I can see why they reported what they did. It wasn't just FOX and CNN. Almost everyone who was LIVE at the time did the same thing.

The false report stood for less than a minute before it was caught. At least on FOX.

Originally Posted by jimmy

I was probed by aliens once. It really wasn't so bad, they were very modest and respectful about the hole thing. While I cannot say it was pleasant, it was not as bad as airport security.

So is "Roberts losing his mind" the official party line now?

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

So is "Roberts losing his mind" the official party line now?

Actually is could/should be. When the ACA was proposed the Democrats were very clear that this wasn't a tax increase.

Not sure where Roberts came up with that one.

Whatever, this means very little in the grand scheme.

Originally Posted by Bunion

Actually is could/should be. When the ACA was proposed the Democrats were very clear that this wasn't a tax increase.

Not sure where Roberts came up with that one.

Whatever, this means very little in the grand scheme.

Actually, it was their secondary argument, as put forth by the solicitor general (who incidentally, got alot of shit from the administration and its supporters for taking that position)

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

So is "Roberts losing his mind" the official party line now?

I didn't think I was an official spokesman for the Republican Party since I'm not even a Republican but I'm flattered.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...ion-Since-Kelo

According to Chief Justice John Roberts and his liberal colleagues on the Supreme Court, Congress does not have to call a tax a tax in order for it to be a tax. Congress can, in fact, create a penalty instead of a tax, and the President can tell the nation it is not a tax, but the courts can later decide Congress meant otherwise.

Never mind that Congress made it clear it did not intend to impose the individual mandate to buy health insurance as a tax. Never mind that the razor-thin majority by which Obamacare passed would never have existed if that majority had known it was imposing a tax on every living American.

Now that they DO know, Obama will not only go down in November, everyone who shares a (D) next to their name on a ballot with him will be in grave danger.

When the pendullum swings too far one way only two things can happen.

1. It swings back at least as far in the other direction or

2. The rope breaks

Better pray for #1 or it's alllllllll over for America.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

The way Roberts wrote his decision, he determined the law was unconstitutional on two different grounds before he turned activist and rewrote the law (Which doesn't use the word TAX anywhere in all 200+ pages) to make the mandate a constitutionally accepable tax.

Yeah, you must watch Fox News because there is no other explanation for uttering such a stupid analysis. But thanks for the laughs. Roberts did not rewrite anything. He construed the "penalty" (which BTW under the ACA is collected by the IRS) as authorized by the Constitution's broad grant of taxing power to Congress. Taking a big step back, Roberts respected the separation of powers and followed founding fathers' intent that the judiciary give deference to Congress. Scalia and his 4 right wing buds are the ones who attempted judicial activism.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

since I'm not even a Republican but I'm flattered.

You certainly smell like one.

Originally Posted by Tippster

Seems to work just fine North of the Border, Across the Atlantic, across the Pacific... you name it. We're the ONLY G8 country without a Universal Government Healthcare system.

So you didn't read that OUR way of going about it is going to fuck us even worse? Did you read the article about the 5 things to learn from MA I posted? Do those things sound like a good thing for our country?

Originally Posted by Tippster

That's idiotic. Nothing is FORCING the parents to pay for their kids. If the kids want to get their own insurance they can. All the law says is that the parents' insurance CAN cover their kids until 26, not that it HAS to.

Give me a break. The pussification of our citizens and the thought that every kid is a unique snowflake and is super important will go all the way until they are 26. Sure, no one will be FORCED to do it but these parents will find themselves doing it because it will be the new status quo. "Ohh, even though we paid for jr dumbshit to go to college he still has student loans. We'll keep paying for his insurance because it's so hard to make it after college shithead needs our help". And the cycle of blubbering pussies will continue on and on and on. Raising a nation of adult children who can't even deal with their own bills by the age of 26.

Fuck, right wingers are such sore losers

Originally Posted by Big Steve

Fuck, right wingers are such sore losers

Wrong... we're all losers for the rest of our lives under any president we will ever see in our life time.

Originally Posted by systemoverblow'd

the thought that every kid is a unique snowflake

Unless it's a snowflake tattoo?

Originally Posted by systemoverblow'd

Raising a nation of adult children who can't even deal with their own bills by the age of 26.

Raising a nation of children bankrupted by a broken health care system is a much better choice.

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Unless it's a snowflake tattoo?

Gen Z thinks tattoos are for hipsters.

Originally Posted by 4matic

Raising a nation of children bankrupted by a broken health care system is a much better choice.

It's going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better. Look at what's happening in MA but on a nation-wide scale.

That's going to be super sweet!