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12-01-2011, 01:28 PM #301
I still agree with My Pet Powder Goat on this one. Even if the legislation passes, Talisker and Solitude are going to have to bring money to the table to make it work. Even with the support of local and federal government, I doubt they will be able to sustain the cost.
I'm still having flashbacks of the proposed tram up Mt. Ogden.
Nevertheless, I wrote in to our douche bag senators and plan to call as well.
12-01-2011, 01:35 PM #302
0) The development density around Mt.Ogden is nowhere near that of the Cottonwoods.
1) The Ogden tram does not traverse a major water resource.
2) Ogden and the local environment would massively benefit from a tram that could be accessed from public RAIL transportation.
3) Consider the benefit to independently owned, easy access businesses around Ogden.
The Sierra Club is nothing but a bunch of bullshit shills who defend the oil, gas and timber industries by focusing on dinky issues like ski area development. Read up on it, they and the Nature Conservancy suck.Merde De Glace
12-01-2011, 01:35 PM #303
Thanks for the povpog or whatever link. Comments sent. The geographical chart adds some lulz, thanks TN and FL.
12-01-2011, 01:37 PM #304
Drew, I've changed my tune a little...with this getting circumvented around the proper due process i'm actually concerned now. they get that land through the congressional vote it might be 'game over' and talisker has proven that they will pay the money to bring it online. If it has to be reviewed by the FS, and subjected to public scrutiny then I would say this would never pass, but with them pushing it through like this I give it a 50/50 chance.
12-01-2011, 02:03 PM #305
Fair points. The big question burning in my mind is if they have enough $$$ to make it work. I actually can't see how this is a good financial deal for anyone other than Solitude.
Either way. I need to call. Thanks for all the insights.
12-01-2011, 02:03 PM #306
Even if the bill passes, there will still be watershed reviews and a FS environmental impact statement. Still, once the land is privately held, its a matter not of if it will be developed, just how it will be built out.
12-01-2011, 03:27 PM #307
Talisker=Park west w/ a nice strip mall lit is good to be the geezer!
12-01-2011, 03:43 PM #308
I wonder what they will come up with for a "fair market value" for the land? Considering it isn't even up for sale, they will probably counter that there are no market comparables, so it is worth 15k an acre, or whatever the FS limit is on buying land.
12-01-2011, 03:59 PM #309Registered User
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12-01-2011, 04:18 PM #310
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12-01-2011, 04:36 PM #312
do you think they're going to just start playing by the rules???? I think its more likely they'll just start developing the land and deal with the consequences once they happen...... its not like the Forest Service or SLC watershed is going to remove a lift once it goes in.
Trust me, Talisker has the money to build the lift. We're talking about the number one land owner in the richest county in Utah, here. in fact, when has the economy or not having money EVER stopped a development at the canyons???? that place has a history of building lifts and expanding well beyond its means.... Talisker has been buying up land in PC for a long time now and now that land has all but run dry, so it looks to expand elsewhere. its a company that doesn't play by the rules because it has so much money it can rewrite them as it pleases.
Have you been up to PC lately??? does it look like the talisker properties are just sitting there idling waiting for the economy to turn around? Nope, they've been putting in new homes like economy isn't even a word in their lexicon.
did you know that all the restaurants that talisker owns aren't even managed to make money??? seriously. the restaurants give out so much free food and such to potential home buyers and its properties' homeowners that they are all in the red. no joke, i worked at one. The manager of the restaurant told me that the restaurant was just set up to entice and please homeowners and potential home buyers. ask anyone that has worked at "talisker on main" or "tuhaye" or "farm fresh" at the canyons how much free food is given out...............
Talisker is a real estate company. they're not in the ski business to sell skiing, they're in it to sell ski in/ski out homes. they're not in the golf business to sell golf, they're in it to sell homes on a golf course. They're not in the restaurant business to sell food, they're in it to show people how great its going to be to own a talisker property. they are a real estate company with very deep pockets.
don't be a naysayer and put you're head in the dirt, hoping it will never happen. this is a much different type of beast.
12-01-2011, 04:47 PM #313Registered User
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Brutah - you are right about talisker, the economy doesn't seem to slow them down. They'll fucking gold plate this new gondola just to impress their potential home buyers at the colony.
12-01-2011, 04:53 PM #314
more utah tax dollars at waste, here's a report that was released to today by the STATE OF UTAH and 104 economist that says that protecting lands is good for the state's economy....
but the state of utah will probably just throw away that report and ignore it like the $100,000 DABC report that came out a few weeks back showing how utah could make more money by allowing sales of wine and liquor in grocery stores.
12-01-2011, 07:11 PM #315Minion
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I don't think there will be an EIS or even an EA if they get the strip of FS land underneath the proposed tram. That's what they are trying to avoid. They will have to address the potential for impacts to biological resources (plants and animals), cultural resources, and jurisdictional waters of the U.S.
I don't know how much SLC will be able to do as there will be little impact to the watershed in the short term. It would be nice if SLCounty had the balls to stand up to this, but I doubt it. I wonder what UDOT thinks about it crossing the highway. That's another negative precedent among many. If the legislation gets rammed through, there is always the legal option.
Time to write the Congressional committees!
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12-01-2011, 09:52 PM #316
Interesting radio interview on KCPW.
12-02-2011, 08:47 AM #317
send me your personal info I have freinds livin in that hood now
don't be surprised when I tag yo ride with a plum and or a fkna sticker
Who is the pouser HATER who doesn't know what npc= postin on ns with 50% of the wasatch bc will be lost next season nonsense?
more nice emails sent from wifes computor and I got my neices sending my aunt and uncle have showed/hiked us to the tranquil
peacefulness of this non metalic structures for those who can't wilderness and wish for it to remain so type emails
WTF can't even post DYlans slow train comin viddy on fb as a good rebuttal
SC that advventure journal thing was spot on from my join the army to train to the zugpittz pov.
but MG is a stud sellin out to sing the company song but aren't we all sellouts to a point
the only excuse for not emailing is sex or skiin or fishin or tuning skis or I'll allow sfotex to boulder"When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
"THIS IS WHAT WE DO"-AML -
ski on in eternal peace
12-02-2011, 12:37 PM #318
Anyone ever heard the phrase, "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining"?
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12-02-2011, 01:46 PM #322"When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
"THIS IS WHAT WE DO"-AML -
ski on in eternal peace
12-02-2011, 05:07 PM #323
Webcast from the gubbernment today. WTF Jensen, a tram from two ski areas isn't going to do SHIT for reducing environmental impact you fucking lying sack of shit. I guess this is how our government works. Send a bunch of lying assholes to tell their side of the story to a bunch of nimwits who have no idea about the real issue at hand, then hope for the best.
Fast forward to 38:00
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12-02-2011, 05:31 PM #324
I noted Black Diamond came out against this! Way to take a stand.Life is a lot like climbing: there isn't anything much more comforting than a good #2.
12-02-2011, 05:35 PM #325