Thread: the Wasatch's new worst enemy=TALISKER

Originally Posted by skifishbum

th could do 4 and still be home time for mini diaper change

i hear he changes diapers and breast feeds while touring............

Originally Posted by BRUTAH

i hear he changes diapers and breast feeds while touring............

^^^^ damn dude, you've really filled out nicely. I see all that working out has really payed off!!!

and then the local news media got wind of the story. seeing ole ted wilson trying to defend the tram proposal is akin to ghandi wearing an SS uniform

http://www.parkrecord.com/ci_18989190

http://www.parkrecord.com/letters-to...or/ci_18989193

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=17425502

Originally Posted by BRUTAH

and then the local news media got wind of the story. seeing ole ted wilson trying to defend the tram proposal is akin to ghandi wearing an SS uniform

http://www.parkrecord.com/ci_18989190



http://www.parkrecord.com/letters-to...or/ci_18989193


http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=17425502

Yeah, the proposed lift will save all those pesky carbon emissions. Every lift ticket you buy is a direct donation to carbon offsets. Feel good about it Ted.

Originally Posted by skiski

That actually highlights another problem with the interconnect- alta and the bird would probably be twice as crowded as they are now. Think it's hard to get freshies at alta now? Wait until the park city skiers descend on it.
As things are, if you want to ski inbounds and avoid crowds, you can go to solitude. THat will no longer be an option. I guess that, if you want fresh inbounds skiing after the interconnect you can go slay the scrubbrush at the canyons.


Also, I'll add that it's funny to me that you were that concerned about getting a drink in Utah. Admittedly, we have some crappy liquor laws. But they are more along the lines of inconvenience than outright restriction. THe only one that really bothers me is the lack of licenses for new restaurants and bars that is hurting our economy when times are already tough. And, I would have been pissed if they'd closed my neighborhood liquor store with the cuts proposed this summer. The thought of having to risk muggings to get booze at the liqour store on west temple is enough to make someone give it up altogether.

DING, DING, DING we have a winner. At least in my opinion. We will all have different points of view on this, but I think we can almost all agree that any increase in traffic to Solitude will totally screw up the one place you can find fresh tracks inbounds in the SLC area.

Originally Posted by Trackhead

Five hours up, but it's the longest approach there is on Timp. Most are 4 hours or less. Took a little over an hour to get back to the car. So about a six to seven hour tour. Not bad for route finding, down climbing, and taking our time.

Back before kids and moving away, and then back again, I used to do short tours up Timp (1-2 hours). From Aspen Grove it is possible to do quick trips, but they are not nearly as good as the short tours available up BCC or LCC. It's barely worth a comparison.

Originally Posted by thedrew55

DING, DING, DING we have a winner. At least in my opinion. We will all have different points of view on this, but I think we can almost all agree that any increase in traffic to Solitude will totally screw up the one place you can find fresh tracks inbounds in the SLC area.

they're all going to get more crowded, its not like people are going to stop reproducing anytime soon. the world's population has doubled in my lifetime and I'm relatively young, and it continues to increase at an exponential rate. which means there will probably be an increase in skiers.....

the way i see it is that the interconnect is inevitable, but the fight is to make it as low impact as possible and force ski areas to use their existing land/intrastructure to accomplish this NOT award them with public lands for private enterprise.

face it people the interconnect is coming!!! do i like it? not one bit. but i don't want to lose more than i have to and allowing a tram from the canyons over bear trap fork and upper mill d north fork is a large chunk of public lands that the people of utah can not afford to lose to privatization.

Very well put BRUTAH. We just have to make the best of a crappy situation. As for me... I'm more and more leaning towards driving an extra hour north to PowMow on busy days.

Total crap to let private companies use public land to pad their pockets and provide a venue for fur coats and Bogner fag bags to get their jollies.

Originally Posted by Trackhead

Yeah, the proposed lift will save all those pesky carbon emissions. Every lift ticket you buy is a direct donation to carbon offsets. Feel good about it Ted.

I don't see how his claim of reducing traffic up BCC has any credibility. Does he really think all those people are driving from the park city side? They're coming from SLC and this tram won't do anything to stop them driving up BCC.

Stupid.

So is there any public action on this yet? A petition perhaps, or something else just as useless that will at least let me feel like I've done something.
?

You know what, if it is inevitable, this is one of the worst possible ways to do it. One complaint about BCC/LCC from the tourists' point of view, is that there are no hotels/restaurants/nightlife. But, if you are going to connect them, connect them to PCMR, where at least, after you ride lifts for hours, you are in a touristy town that is somewhat walkable. If you connect to the canyons, the PC tourists still have to drive to the canyons. And, the BCC tourist who wants to go to PC for food, bars, etc. lands out there, a mile of the highway near kimball junction, surrounded by hiddeous architecture (even by utah standards).

If you really want to connect BCC and PC, put a lift from Brighton through guardsman, which is already disturbed by the road.

Originally Posted by skiski

You know what, if it is inevitable, this is one of the worst possible ways to do it. One complaint about BCC/LCC from the tourists' point of view, is that there are no hotels/restaurants/nightlife. But, if you are going to connect them, connect them to PCMR, where at least, after you ride lifts for hours, you are in a touristy town that is somewhat walkable. If you connect to the canyons, the PC tourists still have to drive to the canyons. And, the BCC tourist who wants to go to PC for food, bars, etc. lands out there, a mile of the highway near kimball junction, surrounded by hiddeous architecture (even by utah standards).
f you really want to connect BCC and PC, put a lift from Brighton through guardsman, which is already disturbed by the road.

all good points. I always assumed the interconnect would one day happen and most likely at PCMR, since (I believe?) most that land behind PCMR is owned by the mining company, making negotiations easier. I think Talisker is just trying to get a jump on PCMR and trying to drive up bussiness for their real estate shit show. I'm hoping it's just a bullshit pipedream

Originally Posted by BRUTAH

the way i see it is that the interconnect is inevitable, but the fight is to make it as low impact as possible and force ski areas to use their existing land/intrastructure to accomplish this NOT award them with public lands for private enterprise.

Ahmen Brutah.

Originally Posted by My Pet Powder Goat

all good points. I always assumed the interconnect would one day happen and most likely at PCMR, since (I believe?) most that land behind PCMR is owned by the mining company, making negotiations easier.

Talikser acquired United Park City Mining Company, and their land holdings, in 2003.

Any one with any knowledge of history knows that park west is a black hole where money goes and corporations go to die!. The place is not that well thought out, that said, in the current economy Talisker will be long gone before the lift(s) are built. Upper BCC is a great place for a mellow meadow skip, this will do nothing to help that scene. BCC is THE go to canyon when the dark clouds of the LCC shit show stain the horizon. I have a cubit of PBR that this will not go down in my lifetime. Wanna bet Ted?

Regarless of the issues here, I'm beginning to think this was just a media stunt to drive season pass sales...

1. Canyons/Solitude has no formal plan submitted to the Forest Circus(yet).
2. The proximity to the upcoming ski season, smack dab in the middle of season pass sales?
3. Look at the map in the KSL article?

Originally Posted by sicktird

Regarless of the issues here, I'm beginning to think this was just a media stunt to drive season pass sales...

1. Canyons/Solitude has no formal plan submitted to the Forest Circus(yet).
2. The proximity to the upcoming ski season, smack dab in the middle of season pass sales?
3. Look at the map in the KSL article?

Originally Posted by yabyum

The place is not that well thought out, that said, in the current economy Talisker will be long gone before the lift(s) are built... I have a cubit of PBR that this will not go down in my lifetime.

Also all good points.

I will be seriously surprised if this happens soon, if ever. Snowbird has been wet dreaming about the AF Twin Peaks deal for at least 10 years. I don't keep up on it. Is that project actually going to happen anytime soon?

Do not know about the twins ,but Dick still gets an erection thinking about white pine. That wet dream is 40+ y.o..

i think dick's boner is directed more towards mary ellen's basshole these days.

from what i hear snowbird gets mary ellen, lowers the lift further down mineral, maybe a tram to the top of AF twins; and white pine (possibly more areas) becomes wilderness......... and snowbird drops the roller coaster idea.

this is the spark that is starting the "expand everywhere we can now" firegrab from the resorts because part of the deal looks like save our canyons gets most, if not all, of the wilderness protection that matheson proposed in 2009. this proposal included bear trap fork and upper mill d north fork, right where the can can wants a tram tram.

Fuck "Save Our Canyons"

From KSL

Wilson argues that skiers would be attracted to start their skiing day at The Canyons because it has easier parking and freeway access instead of the winding, congested road in Big Cottonwood Canyon.

It's tough to imagine skiers in SLC (local or tourists) starting the day at the Canyons to ski at Solitude. A multi-area day pass will be in $100 neighborhood. Most people will put up with a lot of traffic to save $40 per person in the car.

Originally Posted by TheMessenger

Fuck "Save Our Canyons"

Glad to hear it. They must be doing something right.

sad to see in someone i always respected

Thank god I cut all ties with the Evil Empire recently. This is a horrible idea for so many reasons. The upper parts of BCC and LCC are already filled with resorts leaving almost no backcountry/open space left. Traffic is not realy a issue execpt a few days a year on BCC road so I see that as being a non issue. Putting a tram in and most likely trying to run it in the summer would be unacceptable in that open public space near the crest traill. I can't even think of all the bad ideas right now. Sounds like Mike Goar and his team is trying to rekindle old flames with Solitude where he once worked. Trams, Heliskiing what is this the bird? I think there might be some truth to what sicktird said about it being a media stunt. If they can't keep fuel in the tanks and can not pay many of there bills I can't see how they can fork out even more money for a Tram.

ty are you done there in the winter too?

Originally Posted by ectreeskier11

ty are you done there in the winter too?

Ya, you done there? Not that I blame you... My first rule of ski bum is: don't work on mountian.

non the less, I hope i'll see ya on the ridge this winter.

Messenger, thanks for your contribution , one quick look at your post history shows that you're full of thoughtful, eloquently stated opinions.
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