Thread: the Wasatch's new worst enemy=TALISKER

Originally Posted by Hart

Get together and design and lobby for a proper interconnect instead of having to play defense all the time.

did that dude. its called H.R.5009: Wasatch Wilderness and Watershed Protection Act. It was introduced by Jim Matheson (the only Utah congressman that didn't endorse the Talisker Act) in April 2010 and got a hearing in July 2010, now it sits in committee; all but dead.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-5009

Whereas, when a bill has corporate backing, it gets a hearing in a week after its proposed. somehow i doubt the Talisker Act will just sit around in committee.
look for this fine piece of "legislation" to get slipped in the paperwork of a more important, unrelated act soon!

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-3452

Look for my new 'Orrin Hatch sucks' stickers at a ski kill near you. Wrote my letters Monday night. They were a little brash, so I don't know if I'll hear back.

the best for me is after sending all the don't circumnavigate our rights to esi's and public input I called all the senators offices both here and wash.
Senator WHORIN HATCHES minions felt the need to try and defend senator give me $$$ for reelctions utah public lands positions.
If I wanted to argue with peons I'd go to walmart now STFU and take down my message for the dumbfuck the majority of the clueless utards keep electing.
that got whorin snatch another batch of WTF emails.
Fukin a at least the one dude I bother votin for Mathison aint playin the give the rich what they want game

Originally Posted by skifishbum

the best for me is after sending all the don't circumnavigate our rights to esi's and public input I called all the senators offices both here and wash.
Senator WHORIN HATCHES minions felt the need to try and defend senator give me $$$ for reelctions utah public lands positions.
If I wanted to argue with peons I'd go to walmart now STFU and take down my message for the dumbfuck the majority of the clueless utards keep electing.
that got whorin snatch another batch of WTF emails.
Fukin a at least the one dude I bother votin for Mathison aint playin the give the rich what they want game

It's 2 'R's : Whorrin, get down with the funky OOtah spelling. Should I put you down for a few stickers then? Sounds like when I called him about the bailout bill.

yeah I'll have those nobody cares that you can't snowboard at alta stickers soon
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E-mails sent, phone calls made. I still think Hatch and Lee want to give away the Wasatch. I'am sure the bribes they take are most excellent.

I realized this is just going to help Solitude push for Silver Fork, as the parking concerns would be taken care of with SkiLink

Sfotex: This is just the start look for the bird to want whitepine ( they have for 40 years). Look for YOUR public lands to be sold to the highest bidder. Our Republicans in this state are scum.

Emails and Calls made.

Originally Posted by sfotex

I realized this is just going to help Solitude push for Silver Fork, as the parking concerns would be taken care of with SkiLink

yea except they own that land, the forest service just nixed that plan. why do you ask? because no one skis at solitude to begin with..... which is weird in itself, but basically they said come back and talk to us when people are actually filling your pre-existing lifts. so yea i guess it could result in more pressure and then more "need" to expand.

Originally Posted by yabyum

Sfotex: This is just the start look for the bird to want whitepine ( they have for 40 years). Look for YOUR public lands to be sold to the highest bidder. Our Republicans in this state are scum.

I basically see the mary ellen gulch expansion and the ski link death star as the catalyst of a massive land grab. the funny thing about this whole talisker act is that the majority of skiable terrain in the Cottonwood Canyons is on FS land. the ski areas lease it on a special use permit from the FS. I would wager that alta owns more undeveloped land than they own of their actual skiable acreage, i.e. most of alta's skiable acreage is on FS land technically (this could be wrong, but i'm pretty sure alta basically owns some land at the bases, grizzly gulch to flagstaff and the actual lifts and buildings)


maybe we can all pool our money together and try to get enough to contribute to one of Utah's congressman so they sponsor some legislation and then we can buy back the land that the ski areas sit on.......


I wonder if tanner hall's ghost will haunt the grizzly gulch lift when they tear down chad's gap???

Originally Posted by daPig

Just in case you decide to write these folks (and you should) the resolution is titled

H.R. 3452 - Wasatch Range Recreation Access Enhancement Act

The bill sponsor is Rep. Rob Bishop, R, UT-1

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-3452

Bumping this link because it is so easy to do. Do it now, not later.

i wonder if someone could get ted on the phone and ask him how much he made becoming spokesperson for taliskier, im in the market for selling my soul and need to get some quotes.

Originally Posted by smuggs

i wonder if someone could get ted on the phone and ask him how much he made becoming spokesperson for taliskier, im in the market for selling my soul and need to get some quotes.

Since you're a no-name in the political ass fucking world, I'm guessing you'll only fetch a few bucks for your soul. Might be better donating plasma.

Any thing to do as an out of stater who doesnt think this is a good idea at all and lives in state for school/skiing part time?

Another link that might be helpful:

https://naturalresourcesforms.house....t/default.aspx

Originally Posted by abraham

Any thing to do as an out of stater who doesnt think this is a good idea at all and lives in state for school/skiing part time?

You can voice your opinion here. https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/112/hr3452

I just fudged my zip code and entered ones that were in the districts of the congressmen listed above and it let me send them an email.

I DO think there is a solution to this matter that we could all agree on, a way to get tourons over the crest with minimal environmental impact....

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Originally Posted by smuggs

i wonder if someone could get ted on the phone and ask him how much he made becoming spokesperson for taliskier, im in the market for selling my soul and need to get some quotes.

$150,000 a year base salary. He has probably weaseled in a few performance bonuses for himself as well, and maybe a deal on a caretaker's cabin in The Colony.

emails sent.

Originally Posted by daPig

Just in case you decide to write these folks (and you should) the resolution is titled

H.R. 3452 - Wasatch Range Recreation Access Enhancement Act

The bill sponsor is Rep. Rob Bishop, R, UT-1

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-3452

Bump this up to add:

S. 1883: Wasatch Range Recreation Access Enhancement Act

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-1883

Also if you have not read it, Straightchuter's piece in the Utah Adventure Journal with Mike Goar's counterpoint:
http://www.utahadvjournal.com/index....ts-a-good-idea

I wonder how Goar can write some of that stuff and actually believe it himself? Is he delusional or laughing with an evil grin all the way to the bank?

^^^^ a little of both
pretty funny the straightchuter= skiing on all continents anything a competant skier with spancorship or a credit line can do
MikeG 37 years in the ski resort industry with hands on, watch this style, cannot be bought or duplicated by very few if any.
So if I seek knowledge about the resort industry who would you rather talk to???

pie in the sky pipe dream nonwithstanding

Originally Posted by rip

You can voice your opinion here. https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/112/hr3452
https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/112/s1883

that's a sweet site. I encourage everyone to write their respective congressman, whether in utah or not, about these two bills. Your congressman will probably have to vote on it anyways.

Originally Posted by abraham

Any thing to do as an out of stater who doesnt think this is a good idea at all and lives in state for school/skiing part time?

Last time I checked those forest service lands also belong to you...write the forest service at least...anything helps.

calls made, emails sent. always wonder if my message will really be passed on.

I spoke with aides for the congressmen. Most just want a quick soundbyte to tally whether you're for or against the Wasatch Range Recreation Access Enhancement Act. Just dial up, say you want to leave a comment, and give your oppinion.

I found that their ears perked up when I mentioned that my small business is reliant on the ski and resort industries yet I'm opposed to this piece of legislation. If you or your family's income depends on the ski industry, resort industry, tourism, or are located in the vicinity of the Snyderville Basin or Big Cottonwood, mention that.

The reasons I gave for disliking the bill include:
1) That the land sale to Talisker is being pushed through in a congressional bill instead of dealing with it at a local level. That makes it difficult for the local population to give input. It feels sneaky and makes me think Congressman Bishop/Chaffetz/Hatch/Lee engages in sneaky politics. ("There is a public comment session! Come to the hearing tomorrow in D.C." was the response that I got from Chaffetz aide, which kinda proved my point)

2) Public land is being sold to a private entity without a reasonable benefit to the public.

3) The lift is in a poor location. Talisker, PCMR and Deer Valley all share property lines. These resorts could interconnect themselves, on land they already own, should they choose to. As far as connecting to BCC, a surface lift from Jupiter Pk at PCMR, or Lady Morgan at DV would be lower impact visually, recreationally, and environmentally yet still have the added benefits to jobs and transportation this bill claims to support. In addition, Canyons/Talisker has consistently shown themselves to be poor stewards of the facilities that they currently struggle to maintain. They do not have a good track record of running a profitable business and I'm skeptical they'll suddenly be better at it as their infastructure balloons.

Give those politicos in Washington a call. Do it right now.

Just so you lazy fucks dont have an excuse not to call, here it is again:

Reps Bishop and Chaffetz: Pushing the “Ski Link Act", House Hearing Scheduled this Friday (December 2nd)!

The Canyons “transportation solution” was formally announced before the Thanksgiving holiday, and as Talisker announced the SkiLink proposal, Republican Members of the Utah Delegation simultaneously filed the Wasatch Range Recreation Access Enhancement Act in both the House (HR 3452) and Senate (S 1883). It’s disappointing to realize the SkiLink is moving forward without any consideration of public sentiment or how it may truly impact the Wasatch.

Canyons Resort currently rests on 4,000 acres of privately held land owned by a Canadian based development company called Talisker. The scale of this resort makes it the 5th largest resort in the United States, and they are now pushing to expand their terrain with the SkiLink, which would connect Canyons via gondola to Solitude Mountain Resort in Big Cottonwood Canyon. A proposed action of this scope could very well tip the balance between the natural environment and a developed landscape in the Wasatch.

What came as a surprise is how the proposed action has now come to include the sale of 30 acres of YOUR public lands to Talisker via federal bill sponsored by Congressmen Rob Bishop and Jason Chaffetz, and Senator’s Orrin Hatch and Mike Lee. This would ensure the entire SkiLink proposal would be on private land, a sneaky way to circumvent the public process and take regulatory authority out of the hands of the Forest Service; as the 2003 Forest Service Plan explicitly prohibits ski area expansion. Bishop’s bill is aiming to bypass the public process, at a time when it is clear the public (94%) overwhelmingly supports limiting resort boundaries to existing Forest Service permit boundaries in the Wasatch, as expressed in the Wasatch Canyons Tomorrow public process.

Impacts from SkiLink will span the spectrum; from blatantly disregarding concerns for the environment, surrounding Wilderness boundaries, potential impacts to the watershed, diminishing dispersed recreational opportunities, and quality of life. Once SkiLink goes live it would set a nasty precedent, as we can only imagine what other development schemes, not to mention how many other ski resorts are waiting idly by to see their development plans rammed through by Congressional order. Land managers and the public be damned.

This is not just another interconnect proposal, the SkiLink idea is moving forward swiftly and it is a serious threat to the integrity of the Wasatch. There is a subcommittee House hearing scheduled for this Friday, December 2, 2011. Let the Utah Delegation know where you stand on this issue and put a stop to the sale of your public lands. Please contact your representatives, NOW!

CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES!

Congressman Rob Bishop (call if you are not in his district as he will not accept your email)
(202) 225-0453
http://robbishop.house.gov/ZipAuth.aspx

Congressman Jason Chaffetz (call if you are not in his district as he will not accept your email)
(202) 225-7751
http://chaffetz.house.gov/contact/email-me.shtml

Senator Orrin Hatch
(202) 224-5251
http://hatch.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/email-orrin

Senator Mike Lee
(202) 224-5444
http://lee.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/contact

Congressman Jim Matheson (Encourage him to actively fight this proposal that sells off lands in his district)
(202) 225-3011
https://mathesonforms.house.gov/contact-form#dialog

Read Rob Bishop and Orrin Hatch's proposed "Wasatch Range Recreation Access Enhancement Act" [H.R. 3452, S. 1883]:
http://robbishop.house.gov/UploadedFiles/SkiLink.pdf

http://robbishop.house.gov/News/Docu...umentID=269439

http://hatch.senate.gov/public/index...eation-in-utah

*This is a timely matter that requires your immediate attention and action. Please contact your representatives now! We will send another email action alert this week with more information and resoures. To find more information right now about the SkiLink, please visit: http://www.skilink.com/

I'm lobbying to get the goat out in public opposition of this but we'll see what they do.

BTW, does anyone know who this douchnozzle David Dubois on the Canyons facebook page is? Driving me nuts.