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Thread: Question for the shop rats...
09-03-2011, 02:02 PM #1
Question for the shop rats...
Question for all the shop rat mags, or folks that have purchased skis and bindings together from your local shop....
How does your shop deal with the problem of available brake sizes? Say a customer comes in and wants to throw Barons (come with a 110mm brakes) on a pair of Megawatts (125mm waist). Marker of course makes a 130mm brake, but the shop has to purchase it separately.
Do you make the customer buy the brakes at full price?
Do you sell the customer the larger brake at cost?
Do you give them the larger brakes at no charge?
Do you just offer to bend out the stock brakes to fit?
I've heard of a couple shops doing it a couple different ways, just wanted to get a feel for what's "standard" throughout the industry.
09-03-2011, 02:11 PM #2Registered User
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Brakes at full price most of the time unless we have spare old ones then they can have em for nothing!
09-03-2011, 02:16 PM #3
Not a rat anymore, but when I was it depended on the customer.
Usually the go to was make them buy the brakes at full price and 9.9/10 they were willing to pay it without even batting an eye.
But if we knew you, there might be a bend/swap for free.
09-03-2011, 02:32 PM #4
09-03-2011, 08:06 PM #5
i've had a shop sell me a wider brake for a reasonable price and i gave them my narrow brake to add to their parts stash.In search of the elusive artic powder weasel ...
09-03-2011, 08:20 PM #6Registered User
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- Jan 2009
I always gave customers the option of buying wide brakes, or having them bent out. Most of the time they would opt for the free brake bend. New brakes always go for full price. If they wanted a binding with wide brakes, they should have bought one.
09-03-2011, 08:41 PM #7
09-03-2011, 08:45 PM #8
edit to add: I think that negates this whole thread's premise. BUT, it would be so much easier if binding manuf's just sold binders without the brakes for $40 less, and then let the shop stock what they need.
I know we had about 1243e^23 90mm and down look/sally/etc. brakes in a huge ass box in the back. Cant give that stuff away.
09-04-2011, 06:27 AM #9
the shops in the basement mancave.
So I look in the spair binding pile for appropiate brakes.
Or Safety up get the vicegrips and or heat and the giant vice I traded a mag 4 and start bendin"When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
"THIS IS WHAT WE DO"-AML -
ski on in eternal peace
09-04-2011, 09:55 AM #10
If a customer buys bindings from us, they get whatever brakes that they need to fit the skis that they plan to mount them on... at NO charge. We just take them in as an even trade and use them elsewhere.
Bending brakes is a band-aid procedure and should only be done if no stock brake sizes will fit.
If I was buying bindings at full price, I would expect them to work on my skis. After all, that's why they make brakes of different sizes in the first place. Forcing a customer to buy an extra $45 part and then to keep the useless brakes that don't fit is weak sauce if you ask me.
Can you imagine having to search which bindings come with the right sized brakes (out of the box) to fit your skis? That would severely limit your binding choices now wouldn't it?Leave No Turn Unstoned!
09-04-2011, 10:18 AM #11
Tell the uncles to sack up and give 'em the breaks for free! Cheap bastards. Free brakes for all at the Wildy!!!!!
Binding manufacturers have their heads so far up their asses that most of em don't realize that their brakes are too small for 90% of the skis that people are putting them on. d
09-04-2011, 04:12 PM #12
09-04-2011, 04:20 PM #13
Well I work in a non retail type of shop. Only tunning, mounts and related fixes, no ski sales or hats or gloves type of garbage. I usually will either order in one for the customer and charge them cost plus a markup after trying to find one at a local shop; or look around the shop to hook them up with something free if they look/sound local or poor. I will usually bend the brakes for free just to get them on their way or charge them according to the douchebag scale.
09-04-2011, 04:22 PM #14
you just have to specify which one. We have lots of binders that come with the wide-brakes in the box.
09-05-2011, 12:14 AM #15
I try and find a brake that fits the binding. We usually order bindings with only one or two brake widths. EX: STH 12s with 90 and 100s, STH 14s w/ 115s and STH 16s w/ 130s. If dude buys a STH 12 to put on a 113mm ski, I swap brakes with a 14. If dude buys a 16 to put on a 98mm ski swap with the 12s. It usually works out pretty well. If we have to order a brake, or stock them separately (Fuck you Marker) I sell them the brake at a price that is determined by how I feel about the dude. I try and find spares laying around though to give them though. Marker 130s are hard though.
I think it is fucked how Marker feels the need to sell a binding they market towards fat skis with out a 130 brake option. $45 a brake after buying a $230+ binding is bull shit.
09-05-2011, 07:16 PM #16
bends can be sketch, but on my Jah loves that was all i could do, since its a 140 waisted ski. the brakes are basically useless but i couldnt get and px18 brakes big enough. my LSS just went for a bend for free. they usually give people brakes if theyre cashing out on a new setup at the shop.
BUT if someone comes in with new skis/bindings and just wants a mount, there is no reason they should give them new brakes...
09-06-2011, 06:01 PM #17
Depends on the customer:
Repeat customer paying full prices for skis and bindings = Free brake upgrade, free mount, free wax
Cheapskate buying bindings and skis on clearance = Nominal charge to swap for wide brakes, free mount, free wax
Beater buying clearance bindings to put on skis he bought at a competitor's shop = Charge for the wide brakes, charge for the mount
09-06-2011, 07:18 PM #18Registered User
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- northern BC
If you bought a ski/binding fully mounted you should negotiate the brakes into the price and not be hit with the bill for wide brakes afterwards but if you bought bindings with narrow brakes and you need wide brakes then you need to buy wide brakes
I bought new skis on clearout for a good deal, buddy gave me a deal on some demo bindings with narrow brakes for his cost and sold me the wide brakes for his cost, he didnt want to trade for the narrow brakes cuz he didn't figure he could sell them ...made sense to me