Thread: MoonLander

Originally Posted by scottyb

Well, for the rough single track we have around these parts it helps a lot, with the 29" bumpers installed the 2 1/2" of travel is just right with such a big tire. The Mav SC 32 can get "noodly" with all that centrifugal weight at times but this rig is not meant for high speed. That said I will be putting the rigid fork back on for winter snow riding.

Being an "older" rider I really appreciate the squish afforded by the SC 32 and the Thud Buster, it allows me to spend more time/distance in the saddle with out the pain penalty later. Hope that helps.

Dude, I got an easy and non-obnoxious question: me and the misses owe you a 6er. Mind if we take it for a spin when we deliver?

Originally Posted by Sirshredalot

Dude, I got an easy and non-obnoxious question: me and the misses owe you a 6er. Mind if we take it for a spin when we deliver?

Oh, hey whats up? You and Ms Shred sure can take it for a spin. Its a large frame so it might be a tad big but the smiles are just as big.

Will probably be up in the Shed or Sfarms Wed and Thurs.

I don't get all the hate here.
This is TGR, is not bigger/wider the maggot mantra?

If you can't see the coolness & possibilities in that bike you have no soul.

Not drinking the Kool-Aid != hate

I have never owned a fixie or worn my pants around my thighs, either, so I guess I have no soul.

I rode the Moonlander for a few laps on Tuesday. It was so fucking fun. Its kind of funny because it makes the Pugsley seem practical. I have a few pictures that I'm trying to get off my phone right now, but its not cooperating.

Originally Posted by Wandrin*

Not drinking the Kool-Aid != hate

I have never owned a fixie or worn my pants around my thighs, either, so I guess I have no soul.

And you probably see no point in building 140mm wide skis.

Shredding the mini bmx course at Bootleg.

Phuck the haters! I want one. This winter one will be mine!

If the Moonlander paradigm becomes as widely adopted as fat skis (like my 120+ daily driver) I will eat one of those big tires.

So far the argument for a bike like that has been, "it's rad, dude" and "you are a loser unless you buy one". So far, so good.

Originally Posted by Roxtar

And you probably see no point in building 140mm wide skis.

Originally Posted by Wandrin*

If the Moonlander paradigm becomes as widely adopted as fat skis (like my 120+ daily driver) I will eat one of those big tires.

So far the argument for a bike like that has been, "it's rad, dude" and "you are a loser unless you buy one". So far, so good.

No one is saying everyone should go out and buy one.
Just don't go the opposite way and act like it's just a stupid concept and has no reason to exist.

You obviously read way more into what I write than what is there and/or aren't really reading it. I have only been asking about why these things are cool for people, not telling them not to ride them. I even responded to you that I am not hating on them and you still say that I am.

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder.

Wait, is this what I NEED to be a rad fantastic rider?
I tried Michael Jordan shoes way back when and did not jump higher.

Kinda looks retarded really. Sure, I would ride one if given the chance, but looks like another attempt to just be different and cool. And make people buy really expensive tires.

I want to see a bike I can ride on trail and when I come up on a lake I want to ride right across it!

BUT, I do want video of Wandrin eating that tire!!!


And yes, I hate, I'm a hater, God forbid anyone voices opinions here, oh, yeah, wait.......yup, checked the URL and I AM actually on TGR!

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Jesus people, shake the sand out.
I was referring to the "that's the gayest thing I've ever..." and "What's the point..." type comments. Basically saying what a stupid idea it is.
Perhaps you're too gnarly to imagine a bike you wouldn't huck cliffs with.

There are some very cool rides that would be awesome on this bike (the video above shows one of the coolest trips I've ever seen and probably couldn't be done on anything but something like this). Like superwide skis, it's value is limited, but under the right conditions, nothing else can match it.

And yes, you can have an opinion, but you don't have to be a tool about it.

I am not sure why, but I think that a bike like that would be just freaking fun as shit to rip down the 18 road trails, especially Kessel Run.

Maybe it would be the worst thing ever. I don't know.

Originally Posted by lph

Phuck the haters! I want one. This winter one will be mine!

Why wait until winter? Call me crazy, but I'm thinking that thing would be really, really fun on Corral when it's all beat up and super sandy.

Fun as shit. You should hear the sound it makes when mobbing. Awesome-o.

This thread has really taken a weird turn. Its a fun fucking bike. Bikes are supposed to be fun right? Nobody is saying that fat bikes are the new 29er or even the new hipster bike, thats absurd. Its just something different. Something that can be ridden in places and conditions that you can't ride a normal bike. On dry trails they are just fucking fun and goofy. I want to take one for a rip at Buff Creek, summer or winter, doesn't matter.

If you ride one and don't start giggling within 50 feet, you should probably pursue a career in triathalon.

dear flowtron,

please make sure that you get one in the demo fleet

signed,
the entire city of denver

We will hopefully have one to touch and feel at our Another Bike Party on Sept 22nd. And beer to drink. And shit to win.

any of the big companies making a fat/snow bike?

I guess that depends on what you call big? Surly, Salsa, Sandman, Fatback, maybe not big in numbers. On one and others are designing and testing proto bikes as I type.

Its not everyone's cup of tea but they sure are fun.

Not only are they fun but multi sport expedition trips or "backcountry tours" are possible.

There is a lot of new possibilities in fat bikes right now and that kind of thing gets people stoked.

Originally Posted by mntlion

any of the big companies making a fat/snow bike?

So far no large manufacturers on board. I think part of the problem is that there are very limited choices for tires - there are options that have the Surly brand on the side (which would be a competing brand for any other manufacturer of the bikes - kinda like a Specialized tire on a Trek bike or vice versa - no matter how nice you think the combination would be, it'll be a cold day when you see one manufacturer spec a bike with their competitor's tires. Yes, there is the Innova Spider tire, but what a joke. No reason to spec that on any bike.

A big step in the right direction is the new 45 North brand QBP is introducing. They have a tire (the Husker Du) that is labeled with a brand that so far, doesn't have a frame attached to it - despite having the same parent company as Surly & Salsa. I've gotta imagine a large manufacturer is a lot more likely to build a bike that would accept those uber-wide tires when they don't blatantly have their competitor's name on them.



On a somewhat related note, saw some pictures of the new Salsa frame bags - looks like Revelate Designs is helping out with them. Awesome.

If we have another snownuclear winter like they're saying this year, I'd love something like this to ride shoreline trails in the snow with... looks hilariously awesome.

Originally Posted by Particle

If we have another snownuclear winter like they're saying this year, I'd love something like this to ride shoreline trails in the snow with... looks hilariously awesome.

It's a good way to make the shoreline actually fun. I rode the Ogden shoreline last winter on a borrowed Pugsley. It was a blast. Hitting corners with any kind of speed and locking the rear to drift corners was really cool.

BTW, anybody use a 29er HT as a snow bike? I can't afford a fat bike at this time, but would like to do some riding this winter.

Just wanted to add my two cents worth.
I turned 50 years of age last February and to fulfill the obligatory "midlife crisis" took possession of a new Salsa Mukluk one week before my birthday. It was indeed cheaper than other midlife crisis toys [a Porche perhaps].
I am blessed in that I live about two hundred feet from approx 200 kilometers of single track trails that crisscross and meander through a protected forest / wetland area. The trails are used by bikers, hikers, cross country skiers, snow shoe'rs and dog walkers. The resulting snow pack-down is superb for winter riding.
I have found that a temperature of between -7 degrees Celsius [I am Canadian] and -15 C is awesome. The grip between the snow and the very soft [5 - 7 PSI] tires is incredible and it is sooooo much fun being able to tip the bike over on its edge while ripping through the woods [with lighting systems in the dark after work].
After a winter spent on the bike [and looking very much forward to the coming winter] I spent the entire month of August ripping these very trails on the 'fat bike" with increased tire pressures [i.e. 20 PSI - 30 PSI made it to choppy and bouncy] and found it to be incredibly fun and soft underfoot. The bike behaved very well and I went for group rides every Tuesday night and had no difficulties keeping up.
Some of the greatest fun I had while touring around on the bike was parking it somewhere people congregate and hanging out beside it to wait for the inevitable "stoooooopid" comments, especially from non-bikers. This lent me hours of quiet guffaws at their expense.
I will admit though, that sometimes, while riding around, I felt pretty much like a Shriner's clown riding around in one of their little cars. The bike just lends itself to goofiness. But if you like to bike and you like having that "s***t eating grin that I associate with biking and downhill skiing - go get one. You shant regret it.

"That is all"

Originally Posted by Dickeymotto

It's a good way to make the shoreline actually fun. I rode the Ogden shoreline last winter on a borrowed Pugsley. It was a blast. Hitting corners with any kind of speed and locking the rear to drift corners was really cool.

BTW, anybody use a 29er HT as a snow bike? I can't afford a fat bike at this time, but would like to do some riding this winter.

I use mine as a snowbike most of the winter (only bike's I have). It's really no better than a 26er or any other MTB would be IMHO. Up to a few inches and once it's packed down it's lots of fun. Above 4/5" it becomes less fun, especially if you're breaking trail the first one through. Water content of snow makes a big difference, once it's been sun baked and if it's not packed down it really sucks.

Edit to also add - I try to avoid hilly trails in snow as it quickly becomes hike-a-bike and just skidding downhill.

The whole fat-bike idea is intriguing, but my area doesn't see enough snow to warrant the cost. It would definitely beat XC skiing for me though.