Thread: Jon Stewart on Ron Paul

Originally Posted by doughboyshredder

You can always tell who's clueless about business when they think of business owners as the "rich". LOL

harry =

Originally Posted by doughboyshredder

Corporate and business taxes should be zero.

In principle, you are right. In practice, businesses get company cars, houses, etc. for the exectives to live and use tax free.

Originally Posted by Powow

In principle, you are right. In practice, businesses get company cars, houses, etc. for the exectives to live and use tax free.

???

are you saying there's no tax on the purchase of the houses/cars/etc?

You know RP is onto something when pretty much the only argument against him is that hes "crazy". Clearly, since the only liberal comeback, usually followed by oh yeah hes going to completely eliminate all education funding! (see 4matic et al) which is just a blatantly untrue statement.

He's not crazy, hes just a big proponent of States rights. He wouldnt abolish anything, just end it on the federal level. If the super lib states like Cali and NJ want to keep shaking the money tree in the dead of winter so to speak, so be it, but its on the individual states. You want abortion and all that other liberal bankrupting stuff, move to a state that has it and deal with the beurocratic bullshit there. Whats the big deal?

Originally Posted by ilikecandy

???

are you saying there's no tax on the purchase of the houses/cars/etc?

anyone know what the fuck he's talking about?

Originally Posted by AdironRider

You want abortion and all that other liberal bankrupting stuff

does not compute

Originally Posted by AdironRider

He's not crazy, hes just a big proponent of States rights. He wouldnt abolish anything, just end it on the federal level. If the super lib states like Cali and NJ want to keep shaking the money tree in the dead of winter so to speak, so be it, but its on the individual states.

Not sure what you mean here, since both of those states are net Donors into the Federal trough, not recipients.

1. New Jersey ($0.62)
2. Connecticut ($0.64)
3. New Hampshire ($0.68)
4. Nevada ($0.73)
5. Illinois ($0.77)
6. Minnesota ($0.77)
7. Colorado ($0.79)
8. Massachusetts ($0.79)
9. California ($0.81)
10. New York ($0.81)

The States who benefit most from Federal money:

1. D.C. ($6.17)
2. North Dakota ($2.03)
3. New Mexico ($1.89)
4. Mississippi ($1.84)
5. Alaska ($1.82)
6. West Virginia ($1.74)
7. Montana ($1.64)
8. Alabama ($1.61)
9. South Dakota ($1.59)
10. Arkansas ($1.53)

DC shouldn't really count, since we have no representation and a huge chunk of that money goes for "rent" - a stupid small amount at that considering fair market value.

Originally Posted by Tippster

Not sure what you mean here, since both of those states are net Donors into the Federal trough, not recipients.


The States who benefit most from Federal money:


DC shouldn't really count, since we have no representation and a huge chunk of that money goes for "rent" - a stupid small amount at that considering fair market value.

how does that affect what he said in any way?

Originally Posted by ilikecandy

anyone know what the fuck he's talking about?

I guess no one else wants to play your bullshit game of deliberately ignoring the context of a post.

Originally Posted by Powow

I guess no one else wants to play your bullshit game of deliberately ignoring the context of a post.

what context? what you said wasnt clear, so i asked a simple question to clarify. im sorry if i have ruined you so badly at some point that you are afraid to answer

Ive got no problems with company cars. CEO's have to drive to meetings, lots of times with clients. If your going to make someone drive around for work, then the company can pay for the ride. I also dont think its unreasonable for the CEO of a billion plus dollar company to get something a little nicer than a Hyundai.

I hate when people just use blanket statements like that, and automatically you can tell its just jealousy.

He clearly wants a dramatically different America than what we've been for the last 80 years. What would the country look like if all of his ideas were followed?

Originally Posted by AdironRider

You want abortion and all that other liberal bankrupting stuff, move to a state that has it and deal with the beurocratic bullshit there. Whats the big deal?

Originally Posted by doughboyshredder

That's an extremely simplified view of reality. There are a few loopholes there that should be abolished, but you are vastly oversimplifying.

Really? Look at how ridiculously abused the business light truck tax credit was.

Again, I agree in principle, but in practice, if you have a large discrepency between business and personal income tax, people will find ways to exploit the difference, and the people with access to this technique are already getting enough breaks compared to the middle class.

FWIW, I wouldn't be against abolishing the income tax and replacing it with a sales tax, with exemptions for basic goods like you said. I just don't think you can create a big difference between business income tax and personal income tax and not expect a lot of abuse.

Originally Posted by AdironRider

Ive got no problems with company cars. CEO's have to drive to meetings, lots of times with clients. If your going to make someone drive around for work, then the company can pay for the ride. I also dont think its unreasonable for the CEO of a billion plus dollar company to get something a little nicer than a Hyundai.

The situation you described is not remotely the typical case. And, I have no problem with it either if it is paid for after taxes.

I hate when people just use blanket statements like that, and automatically you can tell its just jealousy.

Its jealousy to be against the idea that people who are likely already wealthy will have yet another way to dump their obligations on the middle class?

I work Technology in the Bay Area. Many of my co-workers are H1B or green card holders. I would say to a person the things they admire most about the US is our clean water, environmental responsibility, food safety (and quality), Law and order.

Lets just smash the system and start over. Yeehaw!

Originally Posted by AdironRider

I hate when people just use blanket statements like that, and automatically you can tell its just jealousy.

So you're happy paying higher taxes? That's cool and all but I'm not terribly keen on subsidizing the McCourts of the world or any other number of bullshit businesses and charities that are just lifestyle shells. Car "museums" that ar open to the public once a month are bogus.

Course you could have been using a stupid blanket statement.

Originally Posted by 4matic

I work Technology in the Bay Area. Many of my co-workers are H1B or green card holders. I would say to a person the things they admire most about the US is our clean water, environmental responsibility, food safety (and quality), Law and order.

Lets just smash the system and start over. Yeehaw!

There's a lovely irony in the Chinese and Indians protesting against environmental degradation, food un-safety and massive corruption while in the US the teatards protest for all of those.

Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

There's a lovely irony in the Chinese and Indians protesting against environmental degradation, food un-safety and massive corruption while in the US the teatards protest for all of those.

It makes perfect sense, this kind of shit will continue to happen in general until all areas connected with free trade agreements equalize in standard of living.

To some people that think maximizing GDP = maximizing general welfare, it makes a lot of sense to attempt to compete with sweatshops and companies that dump industrial waste unrestricted into the environment. This is basically what Perry is attempting to do with Texas: http://www.dallasobserver.com/2011-0...uring-success/

Originally Posted by Powow

It makes perfect sense, this kind of shit will continue to happen in general until all areas connected with free trade agreements equalize in standard of living.

so pretty much forever. yay!

Originally Posted by Powow

It makes perfect sense, this kind of shit will continue to happen in general until all areas connected with free trade agreements equalize in standard of living.

To some people that think maximizing GDP = maximizing general welfare, it makes a lot of sense to attempt to compete with sweatshops and companies that dump industrial waste unrestricted into the environment. This is basically what Perry is attempting to do with Texas: http://www.dallasobserver.com/2011-0...uring-success/

There a way to fix this. I think it is already starting now. BUY AMERICAN. This will be hard on the economy in the short term, but sooner or later the Big Corperations will get the message that made in the USA is the selling point and the jobs will come back.

If it aint made here do without. Except Computer cuz DAM! IT!

Originally Posted by ilikecandy

i'm not sure what you guys fear more though, is it that youre worried he will beat your team, or that he will cut off your access to the govt trough? which scares you more?

jesus, you're a fucking idiot