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01-21-2017, 09:46 AM #101glocal
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01-21-2017, 01:28 PM #102Rod9301
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01-21-2017, 01:40 PM #103
If you're talking extraction and injection same day like most organizations do in the US then no, cells are not cultured. Some European countries allow for culture but at least as of three years ago FDA guidelines were much more prohibitive in that regard.
Edit: What he said.
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01-27-2017, 07:37 PM #104
Wow, check this out.
https://stemcell.usc.edu/2016/09/07/...spital-of-usc/
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01-27-2017, 08:59 PM #105Registered User
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Yeah just as a clarification: He had about 10 million embryo cells injected into him, in any knee procedure, you would not use these type of cells, most of the time the cells are taken are from the hip bone and if you are past a certain age, adipose ( fat cell tissue) tissue is then used. Embryo cells would never be used for two reasons : ethics and the fact the cells are like a Ferrari without brakes. In his situation, that does not really matter. One stem cell injection from the hip bone has about 10,000 cells and not all of those are stem cells, however, stem cells from the hip - Bone Marrow Aspirate, is enough to significantly help our helps. You would not need embryo cells. At the Steadman Clinic, they provide Stem Injections in addition to your original surgery, its a bit of circus because you start the surgery on your stomach to extract the stem cells out and then end on your back, facing up. The Steadman Research Stem Cell Clinic is one of the most advanced in the country and they just found out some new cutting edge information that was passed down to me: its not the stem cells themselves that cause the growth factors, but the pieces and cells that break off of the stem cells themselves. This is literally information they found out 4 weeks ago.
One thing to note, stem cells are the future for many reasons. Its not a cure all thing, its more about the constant progression of healing over time and each injection heals you. Once the FDA catches up, you will be able to get injections like once a year and it will be covered by insurance. Then as you near your older age and think about those knees getting replaced, you will more than likely get cultured cells injected for a period of several straight years or once a year for the rest of your life. This is all possible. Ive spent the past 6 months on the couch injured researching it, I am not an MD, but a lot of MDs are not educated on it. Say what you want, be skeptical if you choose, but I will leave you with one simply statement my athletic trainer told me at Steadman Hawkins:
There are 570 stem clinics in the United States alone, with over billions of dollars invested, they aren't working with this much money if they did not think it was going to change way we do medicine
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01-27-2017, 09:14 PM #106
The science for stem cells is encouraging but any researcher worth their salt will admit there are still loads of questions. I'm glad to hear significant money is being invested and only hope exacting science comes to fruition faster than other areas which have also attracted big money.
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01-27-2017, 11:44 PM #107
Still, this is pretty cool stuff. Little late for me, but, by the time you young'ins get old, it's going to be good.
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01-28-2017, 11:43 AM #108Registered User
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You make some great 'general' points and yes a lot of the money is anonymously donated (NFL,NBA,NHL players). Also you have to look at how far we are come in Orthopedic Science specifically - from wide open incisions to the arthroscope to stem cells. The next step is obviously no outside incision at all. The researchers at Steadman's Stem Cell facility are not questioning, it is more of a "matter of time." They aren't saying "how" more like "when or "how much" in the field.
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01-29-2017, 06:33 PM #109Registered User
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Dr. Laprade (one of the few educated and qualified Knee Surgeons who also is up to date with stem cell engineering) just told me this when I went to see him. I do not have any further information on it at this time, but I can after following and researching the past 6 months, stem cell engineering is getting better and better. In 5 years we will have a lot of more data.
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01-31-2017, 10:52 AM #111
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02-04-2017, 10:41 AM #112
Obviously the article doesn't have all the medical details, like the nature of the spinal cord injury--complete transection vs partial--but the time course is consistent with spontaneous improvement of a bruised cord. Could be the stem cells, could be spontaneous healing. Of course now people who have been paralyzed for years will be demanding treatment. The article seems to imply that the USC protocol requires the procedure to be done very soon after injury. If the stem cells do work it will be one of those innovations that saves a huge amount of money over time, no matter how expensive the treatment is.
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02-09-2017, 08:35 PM #113
I'm a believer but there are obvious hurdles. The key would seem to be direction of stem cells; how do you get them to do the job you want done. The idea of maintenance injections is appealing.
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02-13-2017, 03:44 PM #114Registered User
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02-22-2017, 12:53 PM #116Registered User
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I have an appointment with Dr. Laprade , in Vail on Monday.
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02-22-2017, 01:24 PM #117glocal
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03-20-2017, 08:49 AM #118Registered User
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07-06-2017, 11:31 AM #120Minion
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For you guys who were given HGH, was it prescribed by the same doctor that did the stem cells and PRP? I'm trying to get a script for HGH right now as the place that does stem and PRP doesn't do HGH. I'm finding a lot of anti-aging clinics who advertise it. They want to do blood test to approve me. I'm 32 years young... I just want to heal man!
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11-12-2017, 06:05 PM #121Registered User
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Another success story: in July, jesski had a stem cell injection at the Steadman clinic (Dr. Karli) instead of ankle surgery after a bad lead-climbing fall in Sept 2015 (on the same ankle she had a previous surgery following a bad bouldering fall). She had a talar defect, as well as (non-displaced) grade 2-3 tears of basically all lateral and medial ligaments. We pushed hard for the stem-cell route before surgery, kind of against the advice of the surgeon and even the stem cell doc. They said she was the first person they injected with stem cells so long after an injury without any surgery, and they really weren't sure it would have any effect. Last week, jesski's PT said that her ankle is now biomechanically stable and she's cleared to run, ski, etc. Her PT said the stem-cell outcome was better than most surgical outcomes she's seen. Her PT (ankle specialist, works with the Denver ballet, etc) also said that neither she nor the surgeon (Dr. Clanton at the Steadman clinic) wanted to tell jesski, but her ankle was the most unstable they'd seen. So it's a pretty big win for stem cells.
Also: we read that local anesthesia can kill the viable BMAC [Bone Marrow Aspirate Cells], so jesski had all of the injections done without local anesthetic. I could tell it hurt her a bunch (she nearly passed out), but it seems to have worked.
Her ankle is still far from perfect, but it's a whole lot better than it was. Next time, we're going the cultured route -- not only more effective, but the harvesting of the BMAC from the iliac crest is pretty invasive and it'd be best to have that part done only once. Big believer in stem cells, and I would definitely try a stem cell injection before having any kind of non-emergent orthopedic surgery.
FWIW, also we saw the guys at Regenexx, but they were substantially more expensive (like 2-3x more) than the Steadman clinic for essentially the same procedure.
Thanks splat for starting this thread six years ago. I'm not sure I would have done so much research and pushed so hard for it if I hadn't read this thread so long ago.Last edited by auvgeek; 11-13-2017 at 04:42 PM. Reason: grammar
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05-04-2018, 10:10 AM #123Skiing powder worldwide
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Dealing with Quad Tendinits for the last 5 months. Doing rehab, deep tissue, stretching with no help.
Did a prp shot this AM, hoping for some relief over the next 2-4 weeks.
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05-04-2018, 05:23 PM #124glocal
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