Thread: Fast and Furious

I've also got a pair of CMH Explosivs (skis) with a little tail de-lam going on. Easily fixable with some marine-tex and a C clamp. I don't know what year - yellow and blue. 190cm, pussies.

Originally Posted by Jer

Hey - while I'm on the subject - does anybody want a brand new AR-10 A2 buttstock?

i didnt know gun enthusiasm was so homoerotic, other than the constant handling of phalli

Originally Posted by ilikecandy

....//.....Yeah, nothing says "working toward peace" like burning a guy to death

Cat Stevens/Yusef Islam has probably ingested enough pychotropic drugs of various sorts that some form of aggregate mental distortion is bound to happen.

I guess that is the counter-point of Michael Savage being put on the UK's own 'watch list'...actually being forbidden to enter the country at all. Both are sort of mindfucked now...one by delusion-provoking drugs, the other simply by his own delusions.

So let me get this straight... the feds let a bunch of "suspect" people buy tons of semi-auto "assault" rifles, they get in the hands of the druglords (which the feds knew would happen) a bunch of people get killed and now they want to establish laws that will report anyone buying multiple semi-auto rifles. It's the responsible gun owners fault that the feds let fastnfurious happen

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Fe...d.aspx?id=7007

(It is the NRA webcite so I'm sure some people will be afraid to click the link...)

Originally Posted by Jer

I've also got a pair of CMH Explosivs (skis) with a little tail de-lam going on. Easily fixable with some marine-tex and a C clamp. I don't know what year - yellow and blue. 190cm, pussies.

How much for the 'sploders? I've got a c clamp.

I should also mention that they've been drilled like four times.

Originally Posted by Jer

I should also mention that they've been drilled like four times.

what length binders have they been drilled for?

Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

what length binders have they been drilled for?

I will post info and possibly photos tomorrow (s'posed to rain - gotta take a pooch to teh vet, but should have time after that). Right now Jed's got dibs.

Solly demos, med Freerides and 997 @ 313.

Originally Posted by 1080Rider

So let me get this straight... the feds let a bunch of "suspect" people buy tons of semi-auto "assault" rifles, they get in the hands of the druglords (which the feds knew would happen) a bunch of people get killed and now they want to establish laws that will report anyone buying multiple semi-auto rifles. It's the responsible gun owners fault that the feds let fastnfurious happen

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Fe...d.aspx?id=7007

(It is the NRA webcite so I'm sure some people will be afraid to click the link...)

The Obama Justice Department, wanting to ban as many guns as possible, creates a situation where they make sure the bad guys get as many American guns as possible so that when we catch them doing bad things with the guns, they can act outraged and further erode the 2nd amendment.

Obama is so brazzen that even after getting caught red handed literally running guns to criminals, they decide to continue the plot to erode the 2nd amendment as if they had no role in the gun running.

Eric holder and Barack Obama should be in prison.

"You wanna ban the AK? I got ten of 'em stashed wit a case a handgrenades!" - Ice T

OK here goes:

Holes:


Tail de-lam:

Both skis have de-lam going on - the other one isn't this bad. I slipped on some ice and fell on my ass in the GMD parking lot. This was immediatly after limping back from Wolverine Cirque with a fucked up Fritschi toe piece. It was a bad day.

Here's the whole ski in an old quiver pic:


As long as I'm at it - here's my .260:


.22-250 Savage:

Jed's offer is shipping.

Anybody top that? Like shipping + small donation to an animal charity (see my sig)?

Some guy I know is looking for some runners for his ice-fishing shanty.

What is it with the new and improved TGR cutting off my muzzles?

Fast and Furious: GOP Says Eric Holder is ‘Either Incompetent’ or ‘Misleading Congress’

Twice in 2010, Attorney General Eric Holder received memos referencing the Fast and Furious program, memos that seemingly undermine the letter of his May 3, 2010 testimony that he heard about the Fast and Furious program over the previous few weeks.

Justice Department officials acknowledge that the memos to Holder reference Fast and Furious as an operation – but they argue the memos do not include details about tactics that allowed guns to cross the border. They say Holder understood the May 2011 question to Holder from Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., to have been about when the attorney general learned about the controversial tactics, not about the existence of the program.

Republicans aren’t buying it.

“He’s either incompetent or he’s misleading Congress,” responded Becca Watkins, press secretary for the House Oversight Committee, which is chaired by Issa.

A Justice Department official says that “Chairman Issa, of all people, should be familiar with the difference between knowing about an investigation and being aware of questionable tactics employed in that investigation since documents provided to his committee show he was given a briefing that included the Fast and Furious operation in 2010 – a year before the controversy emerged.” In April 2010, Issa was one of several members of Congress briefed on attempts to stop gun smuggling by criminal cartels.

Holder “has consistently said he became aware of the questionable tactics in this operation in early 2011 when ATF agents first raised them publicly, and then promptly asked the Inspector General to investigate the matter,” the Justice Department official said.

On July 5, 2010 Michael Walther, the director of the Justice Department’s National Drug Intelligence Center, wrote a memo to Holder mentioning the Fast and the Furious operation. It refers to the Drug Intelligence Center Document and media Exploitation Team at the Phoenix Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force’s “Operation Fast and the Furious.”

The operation was described as an “investigation, initiated in September 2009 in conjunction with the Drug Enforcement Administration, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the Phoenix Police Department, involves a Phoenix-based firearms trafficking ring headed by Manuel Celis-Acosta. Acosta and (redacted) straw purchasers are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to Mexican drug trafficking cartels. They also have direct ties to the Sinaloa Cartel which is suspected of providing $1 million for the purchase of firearms in the greater Phoenix area.”

On October 18, 2010, Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer wrote a memo to Holder, noting that among the “SIGNIFICANT UPCOMING EVENTS” would be an October 27 indictment of eight individuals involved with traggicking hundreds of firearms to Mexico. “The sealing will likely last until another investigation, Phoenix-based ‘Operation Fast and Furious,’ is ready for takedown,” Breuer wrote.

On May 3, 2011, Issa asked Holder about two Border Patrol agents killed by guns “that were allowed, as far as we can tell, to deliberately walk out of gun shops under the program often called Fast and Furious,” a program that “allowed for weapons to be sold to straw purchasers, and ultimately many of those weapons are today in the hands of drug cartels and other criminals.”

Issa asked Holder when he first knew about the Fast and Furious program.

Holder replied: “I’m not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.”

Wouldn't it be cool if Holder went to jail for this? Wouldn't it be cool if the ATF was shit-canned because of this?

Put Holder in Gitmo with the rest of the Anti-American Muslim Terrorists.

I would like to see dbt tossed in the poky for just posting. 15 to life would be in order.

Radio interview of CBS reporter who broke this story.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...us_595011.html

Getting screamed at by the Justice Dept?

Originally Posted by 1080Rider

So let me get this straight... the feds let a bunch of "suspect" people buy tons of semi-auto "assault" rifles, they get in the hands of the druglords (which the feds knew would happen) a bunch of people get killed and now they want to establish laws that will report anyone buying multiple semi-auto rifles. It's the responsible gun owners fault that the feds let fastnfurious happen

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Fe...d.aspx?id=7007

(It is the NRA webcite so I'm sure some people will be afraid to click the link...)

This is the truly awful part, isnt that some bad people got a hold of guns, cus really the guns they get from the US are a drop in the bucket compared to whats already in mexico, its that the whole thing has been a ruse to get dumbasses like nutcase further on board with illegal gun control measures being pushed upon the american public.

It backfired on them, but still, no one gives a shit. Freedom is being eroded in this country at an alarming rate, and no one seems to give much of a shit because stupid sheeple like nutcase will only criticize one side of the aisle and ignore everything the other side does wrong.

I do realize this is an old thread.

It's an old thread but not an old story.

What??? This operation was started by Bush??? Oh noes!!!

SF Chronicle Story Repeats AP 'Fast & Furious' Misinformation

Bush also did it!

Bush also did it!

That is the current talking point desperately being promoted by the Associated Press, and now picked up by the San Francisco Chronicle, to try to explain away the selling of guns to members of the Mexican drug cartel by the Obama administration. The only problem is that the Associated Press left out a key detail as pointed out by Katie Pavlich of Townhall. First the misleading claim by AP:

The federal government under the Bush administration ran an operation that allowed hundreds of guns to be transferred to suspected arms traffickers — the same tactic that congressional Republicans have criticized President Barack Obama's administration for using, two federal law enforcement officials said Tuesday.

When Bush, a Republican, was president, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Tucson, Ariz., used a similar enforcement tactic in a program it called Operation Wide Receiver. The fact that there were two such ATF investigations years apart in separate administrations raises the possibility that agents in still other cases may have allowed guns to "walk."



And now Pavlich explains how incredibly misleading that AP claim about Bush allowing guns to walk is:

The problem is, the "same tactic" under heavy criticism by the House Oversight Committee was not used under President Bush. Operation Fast and Furious started in Fall 2009 and was an offshoot of the Project Gunrunner program implemented under the Bush Administration. Project Gunrunner started as a pilot program in Laredo, Texas and went national in 2006. Project Gunrunner involved the surveillance of straw purchasers buying weapons, but those purchasers were immediately apprehended before crossing back into Mexico or tranferring arms to dangerous criminals. Shortly after Obama took office, Operation Fast and Furious allowed straw purchasers working for Mexican drug cartels to purchase mass amount of weapons in the United States and then take them back to Mexico in addition to allowing them to be lost at stash houses and tranferred to dangerous cartel members. ATF agents who have testified before Congress about the program said the idea was to "trace" those weapons, but the tracing ended up being a total failure as GPS batteries ran out and thousands of guns were lost in Mexico and only found at final violent crime scenes. Did both operations allow for straw purchasers to buy guns under ATF/DOJ surveillance? Yes, however, the key difference between Operation Fast and Furious under Obama and Project Gunrunner under Bush is that under Obama guns were allowed to go back into Mexico without interdiction or arrests. According to Chairman of the House Oversight Committee Darrell Issa, straw purchaser arrests and prosecutions have been way down under this administration, so much so it's almost as if the Obama Justice Department has no interest in prosecuting illegal straw purchasers at all. (A straw purchaser is someone who buys guns illegally for those who cannot buy them. In this case, cartels members can't buy guns, so they hired "straw purchasers" to buy weapons for them).

So what the AP conveniently neglects to mention is that under the Bush administration, the guns were quickly apprehended BEFORE crossing the border. And now that the AP has set up a Fast & Furious excuse to pathetically explain away the Obama administration allowing guns to cross the border, the San Francisco Chronicle has latched onto the same excuse by citing this misinformation promoted by AP as you can see in this article by the Hearst Washington Bureau correspondent, Puneet Kollipara:

Texas GOP Rep. Lamar Smith, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, on Tuesday demanded an independent investigation of whether Attorney General Eric Holder misled Congress on what he knew about the botched gun-tracking operation known as "Fast and Furious" - and when he found out about it.

Also on Tuesday, the Associated Press reported that the George W. Bush administration conducted a program similar to Fast and Furious, in which Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agents were instructed to let Mexican drug cartel straw purchasers buy guns in the Phoenix area to follow the trail to higher-ups.

Known as Operation Wide Receiver, the Bush-era operation also let guns be transferred to suspected arms traffickers. Justice Department prosecutors have brought charges against nine people involved in the operation, according to AP; two have pleaded guilty.

Hey - I don't even agree with Gunrunner, but to say it's the same thing as Fast & Furious is moronic in the extreme. Then again - look who I'm replying to.

Oh ok- Michelle Malkin and Townhall says Bush was cool. Phew. I was worried for a minute

Originally Posted by Jer

Then again - look who I'm replying to...

Originally Posted by nutcase

Bush did it! Bush did it!

Thank God for the sickle cell...

Holder Concealed Evidence Of Gunrunner’s Release

March 21, 2012

The fast and furious story gained momentum in Washington after it has emerged that Attorney General Eric Holder failed to turn over to Congressional investigators evidence that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,and Firearms has released Manuel Acosta – a kingpin in the illegal weapons trade of the drug cartels – from custody in return for a vague promise of” cooperation” which he failed to keep.

His failure to comply with the Congressional subpoena – which covered the Acosta case – will ratchet up demands for his resignation or impeachment.

At the time of his apprehension – on May 29, 2010 — Acosta was carrying a cargo into Mexico for delivery to the drug cartels that included what investigators for the ATF said was an “AK type, high capacity drum magazine loaded with 74 rounds of 7.62 ammunition underneath the spare tire.” They also noted ledgers including a “list of firearms such as an AR15 short and a Bushmaster” and a “reference about money given to ‘killer.’”

CBS News reports that the case was considered so serious that the ATF brought in the lead case agent Hope MacAllister to question Acosta.

ATF record showed “a large number of the weapons purchase[d] by the Acosta organization are AK type rifles or FN Herstal pistols” which Acosta referred to as “cop killers” and said were preferred by drug cartels.

But, incredibly, “instead of pursuing charges, Agent MacAllister asked Acosta if he’d be willing to cooperate with federal agents. He agreed and was released.” Hope wrote her contact information on a ten dollar bill and let Acosta go free. He disappeared.

Click Here to sign a petition to call on Holder to resign or on Congress to impeach him!

By the time Acosta was re-arrested on Feb. 2, 2011, the ATF had allowed 2,000 weapons to fall into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels — including two of the rifles were found at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

Congressional Republicans are outraged that the Obama Administration did not reveal the incident despite subpoenas that obliged them to do so. In a letter to Holder this week, Congressional Republicans investigating Fast and Furious asked the Justice Department why Acosta wasn’t arrested in May of 2010. They also want to know why the Justice Department failed to turn over the documents on Acosta’s detainment and release, which were covered under a longstanding subpoena.

The Acosta case did not come to public notice until it was reported by CBSNews on May 19, 2012.

Compare the Fast and Furious program with the Arms-Contra scandal in the late 80s. In Iran-Contra, we supplied weapons to patriots in Nicaragua fighting the communists and Reagan almost got impeached for it. Here we are supplying arms to drug dealers and Holder won’t supply Congress with information about it. It’s time Holder was forced to go.

Why Holder is not in a federal pen right now is beyond me. He is a scumbag amongst scumbags.

Originally Posted by Jer

Why Holder is not in a federal pen right now is beyond me. He is a scumbag amongst scumbags.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/hold...ation-fast-and

Attorney General Eric Holder claimed during congressional testimony today that internal Justice Department emails that use the phrase “Fast and Furious” do not refer to the controversial gun-walking operation Fast and Furious....

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