Thread: Fast and Furious

Yeah - I know that gay Marines being able to go on missions wearing sequined bannanna hammocks and Ruprect Murdoch getting crucified by Limeys is big news to you dopes, but does nobody pay attention to federal bureaucracies supplying murder weapons while at the same time trying to squash constitutional rights? And then trying to cover it up?

Justice Department gunrunning scheme backfires

The Justice Department’s effort to contain the Operation Fast and Furious gunrunning scandal is crumbling. Members of Congress are demanding full disclosure regarding the bizarre scheme to funnel guns to Mexican drug cartels, supposedly to help sniff out the higher-level bad guys. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. isn’t helping congressional investigators understand the rationale behind this breathtakingly dumb idea.

The so-called Fast and Furious program fit right in with the White House contention that gun shops in the Southwest have been contributing to violence in Mexico. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), part of the Justice Department, started the operation as a sting to arrest purchasers in border states who purportedly were engaging in illegal cross-border arms trafficking. The scheme spun out of control, and the agency reportedly wound up telling gun dealers to proceed with sales even after dealers had raised red flags about certain buyers. In this way, the ATF may have become an accomplice to the smuggling of some 1,700 weapons into Mexico, allegedly leading to the death of U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry near Nogales, Ariz., in December 2010. Two Fast and Furious weapons were discovered at that crime scene, and other such weapons have been found after the deaths of untold numbers of Mexican citizens.

The botched operation provided ammunition for administration officials intent on exploiting any excuse to demand expanded gun-control measures. The White House often claimed that 90 percent of the weapons used in Mexican crimes had been traced to the United States, but the number has never been substantiated. By all appearances, Fast and Furious delivered statistics to back up the figure. Not surprisingly, the Justice Department pounced on the issue Monday. It issued a regulation requiring gun shops in Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and California to report purchases of multiple rifles made within a five-day period. The timing of the new mandate seems a little too convenient, as it’s not yet clear how much of this supposed gunrunning “problem” originates in Washington.

Fox News reported Monday that the family of slain agent Terry is considering suing the federal government for negligence in his death. If the suit goes forward, Mr. Holder could find himself testifying under oath about his role in Operation Fast and Furious. Alternatively, Rep. Allen B. West, Florida Republican, has called for the appointment of a special prosecutor to cut through the Justice Department’s information blockade regarding the agency’s complicity in the smuggling plot.

Since the Watergate scandal nearly four decades ago, political embarrassments have been tagged with a “gate” moniker to recall the episode that brought down the Nixon administration. To be sure, Mr. Holder doesn’t want to be saddled with “Gungate” or any other description the media devises. Better that he come clean now and cooperate fully with the oversight efforts of Rep. Darrell E. Issa, California Republican, and Sen. Chuck Grassley, Iowa Republican.

repost........

....of a thread from February?

There have been significant developements since then.

Look - I know there's no oppression of homosexuals involved (yet), but I'd figure a guy like you would find this somewhat disturbing.

..... something about masturbation.....

I raised hell about it in the original thread.

Lost interest?

Short attention span?

Pot does that y'know. Even if you don't smoke anymore.


Plus - I heard one of the AFT agents is a hard-core Christian and one of the officers who was shot really liked The Wizard of Oz.

Hey - while I'm on the subject - does anybody want a brand new AR-10 A2 buttstock? Just the stock - no buffer assembly. I forgot I had it until I was looking through some boxes last night. Made by DPMS. Make me an offer.

I just don't have anything to add to what I already stated. I fully support the complete investigation of this. I hope that the people responsible are held fully accountable. Especially that cocksucker Holder. He's a fucking scumbag.

Interesting that the same people who think there should be no restrictions on the sale of guns are upset that guns were sold to criminals.

Originally Posted by nutcase

Interesting that the same people who think there should be no restrictions on the sale of guns are upset that guns were sold to criminals.

QFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by nutcase

Interesting that the same people who think there should be no restrictions on the sale of guns are upset that guns were sold to criminals.

Wow, just wow. Do you really believe that? Taken in the context of the the subject at hand thats the dumbest thing I've read all day.
But its polyasshat and ya gotta take a stand, I guess, no matter how stupid the point.

Originally Posted by bushman

Wow, just wow. Do you really believe that? Taken in the context of the the subject at hand thats the dumbest thing I've read all day.
But its polyasshat and ya gotta take a stand, I guess, no matter how stupid the point.

You dont find it interesting?

No I don't. All the gun nuts I know would just as soon have criminals caught with guns have their nuts pounded flat with a wooden mallet. There are already laws on the books pertaining criminals buying or possessing guns. They just don't seem to want to play by the rules. Who woulda thunk.
The thought of the Govt. selling guns to drug dealers must have sounded better in the focus group than it did in the news cycle.

One more chapter in the long running story of the US supplying arms to it's supposed enemies. Criminals shouldn't have guns, everybody else should, pretty simple.

dude, c'mon. Some of us (not me) can't have that kind of shit on their computer, while at work.

WTF bro you know better.

"In this way, the ATF may have become an accomplice to the smuggling of some 1,700 weapons into _______"

Oh boy, it's one of those fill in the blank games!

Whoops, wrong link. Sorry.

Originally Posted by nutcase

Interesting that the same people who think there should be no restrictions on the sale of guns are upset that guns were sold to criminals.

Yes. The constitutional rights of law abiding citizens is exactly the same as a governemt bureaucracy intentionally putting weapons in the hands of violent criminals. If I ever get this damned Wayback machine working, the first thing I'm gonna do is go back to a day before you Ma met your Pa and punch your Momma in the cunt. Really hard.

Originally Posted by bushman

No I don't. All the gun nuts I know would just as soon have criminals caught with guns have their nuts pounded flat with a wooden mallet. There are already laws on the books pertaining criminals buying or possessing guns. They just don't seem to want to play by the rules. Who woulda thunk.
The thought of the Govt. selling guns to drug dealers must have sounded better in the focus group than it did in the news cycle.

I dont know about your friends, but the NRA opposes waiting periods and even opposes prohibiting guns to people on the terrorist watch list.

Originally Posted by nutcase

I dont know about your friends, but the NRA opposes waiting periods and even opposes prohibiting guns to people on the terrorist watch list.

Let's see: Who's on the fabled 'Terrorist Watch List'??

Cat Stevens seems to be on it. I guess the TSA thinks peace and those that work towards it, is a threat to war.

That 83 year old grandmother from Ypsilanti, Michigan is on it. I guess the TSA thinks Ypsilanti sounds too foreign....gotta be someplace "over there".

I heard some hoopla a while back about some 5-year old kid being on it. I guess they start training 'terrorists' REALLY REALLY young these days. Gotta stay on yer toes.


I think it's high time that the feds get the fuck out of the lives of private citizens and start focusing on regulating the oil companies, minining companies, timber companies and development companies that are the REAL terrorists of this world.

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Originally Posted by Alaskan Rover

Let's see: Who's on the fabled 'Terrorist Watch List'??

Cat Stevens seems to be on it. I guess the TSA thinks peace and those that work towards it, is a threat to war.

That 83 year old grandmother from Ypsilanti, Michigan is on it. I guess the TSA thinks Ypsilanti sounds too foreign....gotta be someplace "over there".

I heard some hoopla a while back about some 5-year old kid being on it. I guess they start training 'terrorists' REALLY REALLY young these days. Gotta stay on yer toes.


I think it's high time that the feds get the fuck out of the lives of private citizens and start focusing on regulating the oil companies, minining companies, timber companies and development companies that are the REAL terrorists of this world.

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Thanks for proving my point

Originally Posted by Alaskan Rover

Let's see: Who's on the fabled 'Terrorist Watch List'??

Cat Stevens seems to be on it. I guess the TSA thinks peace and those that work towards it, is a threat to war.

Robertson: You don't think that this man deserves to die?
Yusef Islam: Who, Salman Rushdie?
Robertson: Yes.
Y. Islam: Yes, yes.
Robertson: And do you have a duty to be his executioner?
Y. Islam: Uh, no, not necessarily, unless we were in an Islamic state and I was ordered by a judge or by the authority to carry out such an act - perhaps, yes.
[Some minutes later, Robertson on the subject of a protest where an effigy of the author is to be burned]
Robertson: Would you be part of that protest, Yusuf Islam, would you go to a demonstration where you knew that an effigy was going to be burned?
Y. Islam: I would have hoped that it'd be the real thing


Yeah, nothing says "working toward peace" like burning a guy to death

It's funny how Nutcase's "point" seems to constantly change depending on how big of a fool he makes of himself.

Cat is rad, even if he is Yusef Islam now. His Yusef Islam stuff sucks, but anybody who wrote Wild World and Moon Shadow is alright by me. I say give him all the miniguns and dushka's he wants.

I guess I missed the original thread. Holy shit, heads should roll for this. Too bad they won't

Originally Posted by Jer

Hey - while I'm on the subject - does anybody want a brand new AR-10 A2 buttstock? Just the stock - no buffer assembly. I forgot I had it until I was looking through some boxes last night. Made by DPMS. Make me an offer.

I'm also looking to get rid of:

-one ACC Blackout 51t muzzle brake/suppressor mount - standard AR-10 thread (5/8x24tpi)

-one Smith Industries Vortex flash hider - standard AR-10 thread (5/8x24tpi)

-one set of Warne non-QR (I think they're called permanent attach) rings, matte black, I think medium rise (1/2") Weaver-style rings for a 1" tube.

-for some reason I have two of those Hornady OAL gauge things. I only need one. Other one's for sale - no dummy case included.

make me an offer or I ship the whole bunch to Mexican drug lords.