191 Lhasa Wow

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 03-10-2011, 07:02 PM

These skis crush it in variable snow. I've never had fun skiing breakable crust until today. Bonus, so light for this length and width. My new favorite ski and will ski every day with new snow.

**Crystal Skier** · 03-10-2011, 07:18 PM

are you riding the slightly wider edition? been thinking may be a great daily driver in the 91'...

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 03-10-2011, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Crystal Skier

are you riding the slightly wider edition? been thinking may be a great daily driver in the 91'...

No, the standard version I guess, 140-112-120. They are light. I hadn't planned on using them for touring, but they are so light. I really can't describe how bad the crust was on the lower mountain today, worst snow ever?, at Mission and they really made the crust tolerable and even fun. Of course they kill it in good snow. My previous experience with a ski like this was BD Megawatts, but the Lhasas are much more versatile.

**splat** · 03-10-2011, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Crystal Skier

are you riding the slightly wider edition? been thinking may be a great daily driver in the 91'...

The fat 191s were the sneaker hit of the year. There's only 2 pair left.

Thanks for noticing their crust busting ability, Aaron.
It's one of the more notable attributes of that tip shape.

**Jim S** · 03-11-2011, 09:30 AM

Glad you like them.

They are incredibly light and I think they'd make a sick touring ski.

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 03-12-2011, 06:41 PM

Two more days on the Lhasas now. My god are these skis fun. Absolutely no speed limit. This afternoon I ran up to the hill when I saw it started to snow and got some great runs on some punchy carveable windbuff with 3-4" of new snow on top, so much fun. Slave, carve, whatever you want. Huge turns, small turns and straightlines. I never once felt close to losing control. Best comment from my friend was "Dude, you need a helmet". I don't know how different the 191 is from the 186 and 196, but this ski is an all mountain charger in any kind of soft snow. I'm 6' 4" and 210# for reference.

**Rob Stokes** · 03-13-2011, 04:30 AM

Whats the dimensions of the slightly fatter 191?

**splat** · 03-13-2011, 08:30 AM

144/116/125

**Tye 1on** · 03-13-2011, 09:18 AM

So we're up to three models? The fats, the original 140/112/120, and are all the new carbon topsheet ones 2mm less in the tail?

**splat** · 03-13-2011, 10:45 AM

The fats were supposed to be the original 191s. The base cutter had a senior moment and cut them 4mm wider, but the tail lost 1mm in the process. We figured we'd see what they did and they ski outrageously well. The 140/112/122s are history as we go to the 140/112/120 for the standard 191. The 191 Fats were one of two accidental designs this season (187 Fat was another) and both killed it better than we could have ever imagined. There was some freakin out at first when we realized they weren't fitting into the molds they were supposed to but, once we rolled with these new shapes, we were damn glad we did.

Aaron - get a hand tune on those babies and watch them melt the hard snow as well.

**Tye 1on** · 03-13-2011, 10:59 AM

Yeah buddy, keep on making 'mistakes'...

So are there many colored topsheet 120 tailed pairs, or did those dims really only roll out with the sickbird carbon tops?

**splat** · 03-13-2011, 12:18 PM

Just have a couple pair of the 120 tails with carbon tops left right now, I believe.
We're almost sold out on every model.

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 03-13-2011, 04:57 PM

Antoher killer day storm skiing with my 12 yo daughter. These things continue to amaze me, so stable. I came out of a tree shot crazy fast and into some small moguls and I just pointed them into the runout. A snowboarder cut into the run right below me without looking and fell right in front of me while he traversed the slope, I just rolled my knees a little and missed him by about a foot. I thought I was going to decapitate him if I couldn't turn. I hit a drift about four feet high that I couldn't see in the flat light and aired it and just landed without much thinking, the stiff tails and forward mount really help. They keep getting better and better as I get used to them. You do have to stay on top of them in manky conditions.

Pat I was wondering about the base grind and tune, would a nice grind and edge tune be a good idea? I haven't had any problems on the softer groomers and wind scoured areas, but did wash out a little on some exposed Juneuary crust.

**splat** · 03-13-2011, 10:07 PM

Hell yeah. Get the grind and especially a hand tune at 1/2 and you'll be blown away with the increased performance.

**time2clmb** · 03-13-2011, 10:32 PM

Do you recommend getting a grind and tune after receiving them when you buy them???

jgb@etree · 03-14-2011, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by splat

We're almost sold out on every model.

Will the SuperBro's be back again next year?

**splat** · 03-14-2011, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by time2clmb

Do you recommend getting a grind and tune after receiving them when you buy them???

We have a shop that grinds, bevels and waxes them. If they're not busy, they do it right. But sometimes they power them through the process too fast and once they're waxed, it's kinda hard to tell how good they did. If they look rough after the wax wears off, they could use another grind. There's a big difference between a machine tune and a hand tune.

Originally Posted by jgb@etree

Will the SuperBro's be back again next year?

We have a limited number of SuperBros left. We had a shitload of them left last year and dumped them cheap on a maggot special. If you didn't get them then, you should have. The rest are not going on sale again. They're very popular in Australia.
I sold a pair last week. Guy called me after skiing them saying he has to buy a helmet cause he skis faster than he ever has.

**Piggity** · 03-14-2011, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by splat

The fats were supposed to be the original 191s. The base cutter had a senior moment and cut them 4mm wider, but the tail lost 1mm in the process. We figured we'd see what they did and they ski outrageously well. The 140/112/122s are history as we go to the 140/112/120 for the standard 191. The 191 Fats were one of two accidental designs this season (187 Fat was another) and both killed it better than we could have ever imagined

I seriously can't wait to fondle these 191 Fats. Reading posts like this and the Lhasa stoke thread are only increasing my anticipation on how perfect this ski is, please keeping mistakes pat!

**polarbear28** · 03-14-2011, 01:35 PM

I will 2nd what Pat said about the hand tune. Had a tough time getting used to my 186's on harder snow this winter when I first started using them. AWESOME in anything new, just didnt quiet do it for me in the rest...Had my shop give them some love and fell in love w/ the ski the 6 days I was out in Tahoe. Saw a little of everthing, fresh pow, wind blown, cement, groomers....they killed EVERYTHING. Only issued I had was wanting the 191's knowing they would have been that much better!

**nomadpat** · 03-14-2011, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by polarbear28

Only issued I had was wanting the 191's knowing they would have been that much better!

I'm curious about this. I recently obtained a pair of the 186s with the clear topsheet and love them. But there is part of me that wonders about getting the 191s (I'm 5'9, 200-210). I assume more stable. Any other differences?

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 03-14-2011, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by nomadpat

I'm curious about this. I recently obtained a pair of the 186s with the clear topsheet and love them. But there is part of me that wonders about getting the 191s (I'm 5'9, 200-210). I assume more stable. Any other differences?

I'm around your weight, down to 210 after 70 something days, and all I can say is the 191s are enough ski for me. You have to stay on top of them, but will be rewarded with unprecedented control in my experience. I have never felt I needed more control or stability since I started skiing them. They can ski tight turns in the trees and narrow spaces, you have to ski them though. I'm going to get a nice base grind and tune as Pat suggested because the bases are a little rough and there are some waves near the tips. In the snow I've been skiing(fresh) this hasn't been noticeable though. Skied some deeper snow today and they continue to amaze, I need to get skins tomorrow for some touring.

**Jethro** · 03-14-2011, 07:56 PM

I have the clear topsheet version 191 mounted with Dynafits. I have not skied any deep powder with them yet since mounting them, only a couple of 4-6" storms. They are very playful and turney, but I kind of wish I had mounted them back of the line a centimeter or two. They feel like I am pushing too much tail. Does anyone have any input on the mounting point. I'm 6'-4" 225. I also thought they'd be stiffer.