On a scale of 1 to 11, how much does this suck? My first go-pro edit.

**dfinn** · 02-23-2011, 09:14 PM

http://vimeo.com/20308752

Critique away. Shot with go-pro in 720p 30fps (if I remember right) and edited with iMovie '11. I think it came out OK but I'm also kind of biased. Editing video is pretty fun, I hope to do some more and I'd like them to not suck so I'm all ears, don't be afraid to hurt my feelings.

I know the riding is kind of boring, it was deep and I was with a buddy who's new to sledding so we stuck to the mellow areas. Also, all we had to work with was the suction mount, I think it worked pretty well pointed back at me but a helmet or chest mount would be better for facing forward.

**kidwoo** · 02-24-2011, 08:22 AM

I quit watching it after two minutes. Get some more camera angles and switch the camera around. Then go back and mix up angles throughout the edit.

I'm mostly just still pissed you came out here last year with your sled and didn't call me so I'm going to say with 11 being the best, that video -10000

That's actually pretty damn smooth to be sitting on the front of a vibrating and bouncing sled. Something to try in the future if you're not in smooth deep snow is to shoot in either 30p, or 60p and slow it down in a 24fps timeline to 80% or 40% (you can do both with 60).

We just got two brand new rmk 600s at my office for work. I'm about to spend the day breaking in the engines. Those things feel like mountain bikes so far.

**grskier** · 02-24-2011, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by kidwoo

I quit watching it after two minutes. Get some more camera angles and switch the camera around. Then go back and mix up angles throughout the edit.

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This ^^^

but some great shots in there.

**dfinn** · 02-24-2011, 10:04 AM

I switched angles and I left the better footage for the end. Maybe give it another go? Or don't.

Originally Posted by kidwoo

I'm mostly just still pissed you came out here last year with your sled and didn't call me

Let's get the facts straight, no sled, +skis, +girlfriend and I believe I did even call you go to skiing. I was even going to be a nice guy and take you to dinner at Hiro. Well, maybe not that last part.

**bergertime** · 02-24-2011, 10:40 AM

i think it would be better if i was in it! but i will give it a 7
i think the other angles are better yhen the first

**grskier** · 02-24-2011, 10:47 AM

Sorry, didn't get that far.... I have the attention span of a

**dfinn** · 02-24-2011, 10:59 AM

wanna ride bikes?

**dfinn** · 02-24-2011, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by bergertime

i think it would be better if i was in it! but i will give it a 7
i think the other angles are better yhen the first

You really think people want to see more footage of someone stuck and me riding circles around them?

Kidwoo, so you're saying that if I shot in 60fps it would allow me to do some slow mo without it looking choppy? Around 4:45 in that video I slowed down a clip of a pretty deep turn (not POV) and I thought it looked OK but a little choppy? If I follow you, shooting in 60fps would've made that look smoother?

**grskier** · 02-24-2011, 11:24 AM

If you can slow down the footage by 50% you now have 30fps, boom... 1/2 speed slomo...

now if I could just teach myself to do it right in FCE... hmmmpf

**advres** · 02-24-2011, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by grskier

If you can slow down the footage by 50% you now have 30fps, boom... 1/2 speed slomo...

now if I could just teach myself to do it right in FCE... hmmmpf

You don't want to just slow it down. You want to conform it to 24fps in Cinema Tools to get the best look. Unfortunately for you, that is one of the apps that comes with FCS and not FCE.

**dfinn** · 02-24-2011, 11:55 AM

^ is that something that can be done in iMovie?

**grskier** · 02-24-2011, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by gameface

You don't want to just slow it down. You want to conform it to 24fps in Cinema Tools to get the best look. Unfortunately for you, that is one of the apps that comes with FCS and not FCE.

Is there another program that would do the same thing as cinema tools?

If not, FC 8 is coming out soon, maybe I can find a break on 7.

**advres** · 02-24-2011, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by dfinn

^ is that something that can be done in iMovie?

no. You could slow it down 250% (I assume imovie has some form of speed remapping tool?) but it won't be ideal. What cinema tools does is a frame by frame conform to the correct fps. Doing a speed remap in imovie, fcp, fce, etc will work, but the software doesn't "know" it can be done frame by frame and it will interpolate the footage making it look like muck, or at least not as crisp as what cinema tools will do.

Originally Posted by grskier

Is there another program that would do the same thing as cinema tools?

If not, FC 8 is coming out soon, maybe I can find a break on 7.

I assume there has to be one out there but I haven't heard of it. Red Giant makes "Grinder" which does it, but it only work inside of FCP at the moment. Kind of stupid considering if you have FCP, you already have Cinema Tools.

***cough*** torrent ***cough***

PS... if anyone is new to Cinema tools, remember to duplicate the original file before conforming. It literally just conforms the original file and doesn't make a new one. It's nice to have the original at 60fps and a duplicate at 24fps.

**kidwoo** · 02-24-2011, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by gameface

no. You could slow it down 250% (I assume imovie has some form of speed remapping tool?) but it won't be ideal.

Actually if he can create a 24fps timeline (or just a 30fps timeline with 60p footage) just by stretching it, he SHOULD get the same results since no extra frames would need to be created or skipped over.

**advres** · 02-24-2011, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by kidwoo

Actually if he can create a 24fps timeline (or just a 30fps timeline with 60p footage) just by stretching it, he SHOULD get the same results since no extra frames would need to be created or skipped over.

Yeah, technically you would assume that but unfortunately it doesn't work like that. Look at this example I just shot and uploaded. Timeline is 720p24. Shot on left is conformed to 24 via cinema tools. Shot on right is slowed down to 40% which is the correct math. Both clips are equal length and match. The first clip is with frame blending off and the second is with frame blending on.

**kidwoo** · 02-24-2011, 09:59 PM

Lame.

that's how I used to do it in premiere (well.....STILL do with anything other than HPX footage actually)

**advres** · 02-24-2011, 10:35 PM

OK... well it may be time for me to eat my words. Do you do this with DSLR footage seamlessly too? Because that example was shot with the 7D which we both know isn't really 720p but 720i (59.94) remapped to 40.03%. I assumed (incorrectly I just found out) that the Hero shoots 720i60 instead of true 720p60. I would like to have a test shot if you got one that I could run tests in FCP with time remapping to see how it looks in a 720p24 timeline in FCP. You may be absolutely correct with true 720p60 footage slowed to 24p. BUT, it also may just be better time remapping algorithms used in Adobe products. That has been an issue with Apple software for eons!

So if you have a sample clip, PM me and I can set you up with my FTP login and you can transfer a short clip and I can run tests to see if it is strictly a Apple/Adobe thing or if it is a i/p thing. I venture to guess that it is entirely a FCP issue.

So, to the OP, my answer may be incorrect, but to grskier who I believe shoots DSLR, than my answer with Apple products would be correct.

But you have to admit.. Cinema tools did an awesome job conforming 720i60 from the 7D to 720p24.

**grskier** · 02-25-2011, 02:31 AM

Shouldn't you have done both with the frame blending off?

gunit130 · 02-25-2011, 07:33 AM

I'll tell right now that using a 30fps timeline and slapping a 60fps clip in, slowed down to 50% speed makes it 30fps. Turn frame blending OFF and it's clear as shit.

**advres** · 02-25-2011, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by grskier

Shouldn't you have done both with the frame blending off?

What the hell are you talking about? The only difference between the 2 clips on the right is frame blending which is your only option when slowing in final cut. I was showing it slowed down correctly with the only 2 options (with and w/out frame blending) available to you without cinema tools.

**kidwoo** · 02-25-2011, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by gameface

OK... well it may be time for me to eat my words. Do you do this with DSLR footage seamlessly too? Because that example was shot with the 7D which we both know isn't really 720p but 720i (59.94) remapped to 40.03%. I assumed (incorrectly I just found out) that the Hero shoots 720i60 instead of true 720p60. I would like to have a test shot if you got one that I could run tests in FCP with time remapping to see how it looks in a 720p24 timeline in FCP. You may be absolutely correct with true 720p60 footage slowed to 24p. BUT, it also may just be better time remapping algorithms used in Adobe products. That has been an issue with Apple software for eons!

So if you have a sample clip, PM me and I can set you up with my FTP login and you can transfer a short clip and I can run tests to see if it is strictly a Apple/Adobe thing or if it is a i/p thing. I venture to guess that it is entirely a FCP issue.

Must be. Literally every single gopro/pov clip in THIS is 720/60 played at either 80% or 40%. Same with 99% of the 7D footage which is everything after the break down/shovel cam shot. Almost of that is 720/60 as well.

You just want a raw go pro clip? I've got a server I can put one up on.

check here in a bit: www.kidwoo.com/gadvresface/GOPR0055.MP4

I DO always make sure I have all frame rendering and any other dumb defaults off. It's like the exact opposite effect as what your video shows. Weird. You know I've been saying for a while that one of adobe's strengths is that they really have kept up much better with newer compression configurations. Reading video forums and some of the problems mac folks run into just make me shake my head. But we've already had that discussion

**advres** · 02-25-2011, 09:01 AM

Well, as per usual, it seems FCP's 2-year update schedule fucks us again. Good thing about Adobe is you get big updates sooner. But you got to pay twice as much, twice as often

**kidwoo** · 02-25-2011, 09:11 AM

Yeah people who immediately go out and buy the newest cs whatever amuse me. I usually sit on things, wait for updates and then see if the program is actually even worth upgrading.

Because god knows unicorns will fly out of ted haggard's ass as soon as adobe releases something that's ready to go right out of the gates.

Probably a bad example because the unicorns may have already flown in that guy's case.

How much are FCP 'ugrades' from existing versions? For that matter how much are adobe's? I don't know either of them.

gunit130 · 02-25-2011, 10:15 AM

i don't buy CS... but i have CS5

**grskier** · 02-25-2011, 08:00 PM

I read what you wrote differenetly. I thought you did one via cinema tools, and one by just slowing it down in the timeline itself. In FCE, when you do it in the timeline itself, you have the option of frame blending....

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