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Thread: War Zone Wisconsin
02-20-2011, 08:12 AM #176
I'm pretty sure Mother Nature is gonna take care of at least all the "protesters" outside later today. Crying over the loss of your diamond tiara is hard enough on a warm sunny day.
02-20-2011, 10:27 AM #177
02-20-2011, 10:37 AM #178
It was good to see that both sides were able to scream at each other without any escalation so far.Silent....but shredly.
02-20-2011, 11:33 AM #179
02-20-2011, 11:42 AM #180I've been to two state fairs and a goat fuck and never seen anything like this!!
02-20-2011, 12:31 PM #181
As far as any escalation is concerned - I'll bet this thing dies down pretty quickly now. Sooner or later even the dumbest libzombie has to realise he's screaming for a lost cause. Plus, there's a whole universe of "unfair" stuff out there for libs to get offended about. The whole diamond tiara thing is sooo last week.
02-20-2011, 02:43 PM #182"You damn colonials and your herds of tax write off dressage ponies". PNWBrit
02-20-2011, 03:34 PM #183
Baltimore's moniker is "Charm City" .
Grape, quit cunting up Baltimore's rep.
02-20-2011, 05:05 PM #184
02-20-2011, 10:34 PM #185Registered User
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The average entry level firefighters salary per year is around $30,000. The average entry level salary for someone with a 4 year degree in actuarial science (statistics and analysis) is $53,000. A private sector employee good with a graphing calculator and numbers has an average starting salary of roughly $20,000 a year more than a public sector employee who jumps into burning things for a living. I find that unacceptable. And I appear to be alone around here.
Those teachers took personal days btw, not sick days.
And good point about there being better things for the libs to be fighting about right now. Reminds me of a certain party that is trying to pass all kinds of bills against Planned Parenthood and shit right now. Because that is really fucking productive for creating jobs and fighting a deficit..
And this isn't going to die down soon, keep your eye on Ohio this week because the scenes will be very familiar. In fact, I would venture to say that tea baggers who have been groaning about these protests have actually helped raise awareness of this issue, so thanks!
02-20-2011, 11:11 PM #186
I hope the same thing happens in Ohio and every other State. Unions are exposing themselves to the voters for what they really are. Public unions are commiting suicide. KEEP GOING stupid fucks!!!I've been to two state fairs and a goat fuck and never seen anything like this!!
02-21-2011, 12:38 AM #187Registered User
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So if you find it "unacceptable", you must have donated a bunch of money to firefighters this year. How much did you give?
Bus drivers get injured a lot, how much should they get paid?
02-21-2011, 05:13 AM #188
As far as firefighters, the field is so competitive, it's hard to even get a volunteer job without an EMT-B and firefighter academy training. To be career, many have EMT-Paramedic and often more training/education including college degrees.
You can harp on the unions all you want, but most I've dealt with are very realistic in what they demand and work closely with the board of education and administration in their districts. I don't agree with everything the union works for, particularly the state and national level platforms, but new teachers entering the field are open to and encouraging things like "pay for performance" and more flexible tenure policies as opposed to the traditional salary schedules and job security of the past. The main problem with this bill is giving up the right to even have a say in what these benefits/pay are and how they will change. In my last district we worked directly with the superintendent to come to an agreement on the best way to deal with our shortages. We voted together for what we believed the best option was and presented our side to the superintendent. Together we came to an agreement on how best to deal with the situation. Without collective bargaining rights, it would be a top-down process with minimal input from the workers and their organization.Ride Fast, Live slow.
We're mountain people. This is what we do, this is how we live. -D.C.
02-21-2011, 08:06 AM #189"It's not that she said anything that wasn't true, it's that what she did say has almost no relation to the truth." - Rubicon
"To me, believing that God will drop a giant building on Greenland is no more bat shit crazy than thinking the US government can run the healthcare industry or properly regulate the financial industry" - Downbound Train
02-21-2011, 08:23 AM #190
Getsdumb - the rest of your post is bullshit as well, but why bother? The gravey train has gone off the rails - I'm sure you'll figure it out on your own sooner or later.
02-21-2011, 08:27 AM #191Silent....but shredly.
02-21-2011, 09:20 AM #192
Did anyone read the post way back about how these teachers already agreed to most of what the state wanted? Then the governor went after their right to collectively bargain. It isn't about the money.
Also, everyone realizes that the Governor intentionally passed a tax cut which took his state from having a surplus to a deficit overnight, right? Fiscally responsible conservative, sure...."These are crazy times Mr Hatter, crazy times. Crazy like Buddha! Muwahaha!"
02-21-2011, 09:23 AM #193"You damn colonials and your herds of tax write off dressage ponies". PNWBrit
02-21-2011, 09:27 AM #194
It'll create jobs, just like all the other taxcuts and tax breaks over the past 10 years. Haven't you seen the unemployment number? It's only 9+%. GREAT SUCCESS.Silent....but shredly.
02-21-2011, 09:35 AM #195Silent....but shredly.
02-21-2011, 09:35 AM #196
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OSEX - good point. Talk about a real dangerous, thankless job. And many Eloi/libs regard them as meat heads.
02-21-2011, 09:36 AM #197
Woops, got the budget deficit thing wrong, thanks for pointing that out Jer.
The larger point is that the Governor asked for concessions from the union, they gave them to him and then he went after collective bargaining. Never let a crisis go to waste..."These are crazy times Mr Hatter, crazy times. Crazy like Buddha! Muwahaha!"
02-21-2011, 09:39 AM #198Silent....but shredly.
02-21-2011, 09:47 AM #199
The "Never let a crisis" thing I agree with. Everybody's know for years how much Walker hates unions. That's why WEAC et al was in such a mad scramble to cut a sweet deal with the lame ducks last December. It was party time with Jim Doyle. Hell - he gave me $500,000 once just because I said he was rad. Why do you think WI has such a big "surplus ( ) right now? Party's over. It's time to clean up the house before the parents get home. Walker said he was going to do this and a lot more during the campain. He got elected in a landslide. The screaming morons at the capitol represent about 1/10th of Wisconsin. They're fuct. They'd be better off screaming about the slow-speed rail.
02-21-2011, 09:57 AM #200"You damn colonials and your herds of tax write off dressage ponies". PNWBrit