Thread: DPS Spoon 150

A glimpse into how I imagine these things shredding...I have not skied them, only played with latest version.

You are locked into a big high speed turn, aiming for the perfect trajectory to sweep around the rock band rapidly approaching. Turns out the turn you are locked into is heading short, into the rocks. Instead of having to turn your skis fall line to change your path/gain speed/sweep out the turn, just tip these suckers a bit more vertical and decrease the drag to bring you out past the rocks. You can ALMOST make this happen on the 138, biggest issue is trying to make that move there is no way to accelerate as needed without just turning your skis a bit into the fall line.

Could the spoon pull moves like this? Cause that would be damn cool. What do you think marsh?

so in which lenght(s?) will the spoon be made? ive only read 250cm somewhere, but i think it looked shorter on some more recent pictures?
its the first ski in a long time i would be really interested in, but im not gonna skin with something longer than 195cm... not talking about the impossibility of fitting 250cm in common cars in europe...

freak~[&]

I love the idea of screwing with you and telling you that yes, indeed this is the worlds first 250cm pow slayer...but I'm pretty sure it's just a 192. Look at Marshal's response on page 1.

Originally Posted by benfjord

I love the idea of screwing with you and telling you that yes, indeed this is the worlds first 250cm pow slayer...but I'm pretty sure it's just a 192. Look at Marshal's response on page 1.

Of course its a 192 cm length...duh.


The WIDTH is 250 cm.

No no no no.

Tip splay is 250cm.

Originally Posted by Hohes

No no no no.

Tip splay is 250cm.

Some liken its skiing prowess to that of a tire rolling down a mountain

Z-

The Spoon allows for much quicker planning and acceleration. In deep snow, that's the whole name of the game- if you slide/slarve and shut it down, you want the ability to feather your ski angle and exit out of the move as quickly as possible. Once you drop off plane with a narrower/conventional shape, it takes more speed and balance adjustment/skier input to get your skis surfing and riding on top again, if that makes sense.

With the Spoon you have a tremendous amount of control in terms of slipping in and out of slarves and into carves, and the overall effect is one of more flow, and a more constant, smoother speed.

On the Spoon, I find myself keeping up a more constant speed through runs, and staying on plane even through technical sections– like the kind of move you are describing.

On the Spoon, to continue with your scenario, you would be arcing through the apex of the turn and heading toward those rocks... the Spoon move is to stand up a touch, unweight, roll your ankles slightly to the outside (down the fall line) to decrease ski angle, and boyah, you are now eating up vertical down the fall line in a mid-turn slarve. As soon as the rock section is cleared, you lean right back in to your angulated carve, pop back onto a plane with acceleration across the fall line, reengage the g-forces, and finish out the turn below the rocks as a carve.

Originally Posted by dps

Z-

The Spoon allows for much quicker planning and acceleration. In deep snow, that's the whole name of the game- if you slide/slarve and shut it down, you want the ability to feather your ski angle and exit out of the move as quickly as possible. Once you drop off plane with a narrower/conventional shape, it takes more speed and balance adjustment/skier input to get your skis surfing and riding on top again, if that makes sense.

With the Spoon you have a tremendous amount of control in terms of slipping in and out of slarves and into carves, and the overall effect is one of more flow, and a more constant, smoother speed.

On the Spoon, I find myself keeping up a more constant speed through runs, and staying on plane even through technical sections– like the kind of move you are describing.

On the Spoon, to continue with your scenario, you would be arcing through the apex of the turn and heading toward those rocks... the Spoon move is to stand up a touch, unweight, roll your ankles slightly to the outside (down the fall line) to decrease ski angle, and boyah, you are now eating up vertical down the fall line in a mid-turn slarve. As soon as the rock section is cleared, you lean right back in to your angulated carve, pop back onto a plane with acceleration across the fall line, reengage the g-forces, and finish out the turn below the rocks as a carve.

I know you've been in Haines skiing the Spoon variations for a couple seasons now but how do you think a person accustomed to skiing on less radical designs would transition to the Spoon? The conditions that these skis are intended for obviously aren't an everyday occurence so would it be realistic (assuming blower conditions) to get on the Spoon and be able to enjoy them in the first year? I have been on the 4FRNT Renegade for a couple seasons now (Haines pilgrimages as well) and have yet to ski the 138's.

Originally Posted by DudeLebowSKI

I know you've been in Haines skiing the Spoon variations for a couple seasons now but how do you think a person accustomed to skiing on less radical designs would transition to the Spoon? The conditions that these skis are intended for obviously aren't an everyday occurence so would it be realistic (assuming blower conditions) to get on the Spoon and be able to enjoy them in the first year? I have been on the 4FRNT Renegade for a couple seasons now (Haines pilgrimages as well) and have yet to ski the 138's.

I have the 186 Renegades and both the R2 and R3.2 202 L138s -- the L138s are extremely intuitive, more so than the Renegades were for me. Haven't been on the spoon, obviously, but my guess is it will be just fine if you don't think about it and just ski it.

Originally Posted by dps

On the Spoon, to continue with your scenario, you would be arcing through the apex of the turn and heading toward those rocks... the Spoon move is to stand up a touch, unweight, roll your ankles slightly to the outside (down the fall line) to decrease ski angle, and boyah, you are now eating up vertical down the fall line in a mid-turn slarve. As soon as the rock section is cleared, you lean right back in to your angulated carve, pop back onto a plane with acceleration across the fall line, reengage the g-forces, and finish out the turn below the rocks as a carve.

This is pretty much exactly what I was trying to say, you just said it much better. Was also thinking this ski may be a little friendlier when hitting some variable snow. As in when you hit some hard snow on the 138, you can seriously dig in and pull some Gs, while the spoonyness may skid a bit more instead of digging in...

DudeLE - Should have taken me up on trying out the 138s! Next year...

Originally Posted by Z

DudeLE - Should have taken me up on trying out the 138s! Next year...

I know man! I've been given the offer a few times and always turned it down to ski something I know. April dreams already started so...

Any idea when the production release will be fellas?

dps-beautiful description of the turn.
dont mean to open the heathen question but
seems it opens up quite a bit of snowboarding on your skis?? in the turn shape possibilities/acceleration.
any thoughts from those that know both?
im not aiming for a pissing contest, to me its all good, but after years of snowboards influencing ski shape i wonder if now the ski designs, esp dps, are going to reshape snowboards too.
fire away fellas

Originally Posted by dps

the Spoon move is to stand up a touch, unweight, roll your ankles slightly to the outside (down the fall line) to decrease ski angle, and boyah, you are now eating up vertical down the fall line in a mid-turn slarve. As soon as the rock section is cleared, you lean right back in to your angulated carve, pop back onto a plane with acceleration across the fall line, reengage the g-forces, and finish out the turn below the rocks as a carve.

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Originally Posted by ate'em

dps-beautiful description of the turn.
dont mean to open the heathen question but
seems it opens up quite a bit of snowboarding on your skis?? in the turn shape possibilities/acceleration.
any thoughts from those that know both?
im not aiming for a pissing contest, to me its all good, but after years of snowboards influencing ski shape i wonder if now the ski designs, esp dps, are going to reshape snowboards too.
fire away fellas

Both the last iteration of the Spoon and the 0N3P Pillowfight seem to be moving in the direction of Bataleons TBT (Triple Base Technology) concept, which is a natural direction to take as it makes the skis possible to tune... TBT was originally developed for use in skis, but as this was before the rocker revolution, no ski mfg was ready to use it, so the originator of the idea had to apply it to snowboards instead. As such, it seems to have made a full circle, especially now that some ski mfgs are licensing TBT for next season.

I still have a hard time imagining what you achieve over a normal rockered design though, especially considering how slarvy some designs are (the extreme being true rev/rev skis), and due to some contradictions being built into the concept. (i.e. the hull shape, which actually reduces float as it lowers the available surface area you can set perpendicular to your direction of travel, thereby reducing how much snow you can displace end reducing float), one thing you do achieve though is that the skis can be swiveled without angulation as you have som angle of attack at the snow even while running flat bases. The hull shape is a potential for building extremely stiff skis, especially the doubly-curved first iteration of the spoon, which probably only bent at the cleats.

Originally Posted by Z

A glimpse into how I imagine these things shredding...I have not skied them, only played with latest version.

You are locked into a big high speed turn, aiming for the perfect trajectory to sweep around the rock band rapidly approaching. Turns out the turn you are locked into is heading short, into the rocks. Instead of having to turn your skis fall line to change your path/gain speed/sweep out the turn, just tip these suckers a bit more vertical and decrease the drag to bring you out past the rocks. You can ALMOST make this happen on the 138, biggest issue is trying to make that move there is no way to accelerate as needed without just turning your skis a bit into the fall line.

Could the spoon pull moves like this? Cause that would be damn cool. What do you think marsh?

this is one of the geekiest comments about skiing that i've read on this forum. just want to say that it is awesome.

Originally Posted by keipow

this is one of the geekiest comments about skiing that i've read on this forum. just want to say that it is awesome.

heh. never been called that before. first time for everything i guess.

Originally Posted by dps

Z-

The Spoon allows for much quicker planning and acceleration. In deep snow, that's the whole name of the game- if you slide/slarve and shut it down, you want the ability to feather your ski angle and exit out of the move as quickly as possible. Once you drop off plane with a narrower/conventional shape, it takes more speed and balance adjustment/skier input to get your skis surfing and riding on top again, if that makes sense.

With the Spoon you have a tremendous amount of control in terms of slipping in and out of slarves and into carves, and the overall effect is one of more flow, and a more constant, smoother speed.

On the Spoon, I find myself keeping up a more constant speed through runs, and staying on plane even through technical sections– like the kind of move you are describing.

On the Spoon, to continue with your scenario, you would be arcing through the apex of the turn and heading toward those rocks... the Spoon move is to stand up a touch, unweight, roll your ankles slightly to the outside (down the fall line) to decrease ski angle, and boyah, you are now eating up vertical down the fall line in a mid-turn slarve. As soon as the rock section is cleared, you lean right back in to your angulated carve, pop back onto a plane with acceleration across the fall line, reengage the g-forces, and finish out the turn below the rocks as a carve.

Rad . . .

That is all. Some day.

Interesting skis. I don't think I'm in the market for them I'm afraid.

Any news on release dates? Will they be ready for this season?

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A german shop has them listed in its online shop: http://shop.sport65.de/Freeride-Skis...040:10_14.html So they'll probably be available (maybe in limited quantities) this season...

Price is 1500 EUR though, twice as much as the Wailer 112 at 720 EUR...

Originally Posted by DudeLebowSKI

Any news on release dates? Will they be ready for this season?

...Yes... You will be able to ski pow in 2012 on spoons.

The sport65 page listed above is a place holder, and the price referenced is THEIR estimate, not the official DPS price.

The official info is forthcoming shortly. The 720 euro price on wailer112's is for HYBRID skis, fwiw.

Originally Posted by marshalolson

...Yes... You will be able to ski pow in 2012 on spoons.

The sport65 page listed above is a place holder, and the price referenced is THEIR estimate, not the official DPS price.

Haha...I am definitely interested in the north/south of that estimate.

..."south"...

I've just watched the last episode of sweetgrass video series, and i'm wondering if in the last shot is stephan skiing the spoon, because that slarve it's so loooong!

Originally Posted by marshalolson

...Yes... You will be able to ski pow in 2012 on spoons.

Thanks for that first five runs yesterday Marshal! Spooning is something different that's for sure.