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01-28-2011, 01:27 AM #26
That was way different than I thought it would be. -> Mind: Boggled.simen (at) downskis.com DOWN SKIS
01-28-2011, 01:33 AM #27i wish i never chose that user_name
01-28-2011, 02:13 AM #28fur bearing, drunk, prancing eurosnob
01-28-2011, 03:29 AM #29
Are cleats meant for hard pack run outs? Or for stability during high speed-straight run outs in pow?
Abridged question - Marshal; are these meant to work on hard pack snow?Nine out of ten Jeremy's prefer a warm jacket to a warm day
01-28-2011, 03:31 AM #30Registered User
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To me they look stoopid! But so did the 138s a couple of seasons ago. Now, loving them every minute. So, who knows! -))
01-28-2011, 03:47 AM #31
Those look really hard to tune. (Also fun to ski. Reminds me of Battalion Snowboards...)
01-28-2011, 04:08 AM #32Unregistered User
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Originally Posted by marshalolson
Apart from that I'm sporting a hard-on the size of Alaska...
01-28-2011, 04:10 AM #33Unregistered User
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01-28-2011, 05:46 AM #34
can you explain the finishing process. how do you get structure on that base?crab in my shoe mouth
01-28-2011, 06:51 AM #35TRs, photos, videos, and building skis (2 pairs so far...):
01-28-2011, 07:19 AM #36
^yeah, were talking about a very pricy piece here. not some old XC skis. i doubt very much they structured them with a steel brushcrab in my shoe mouth
01-28-2011, 07:50 AM #37
structure = steel wool.
if you do not know how to hand tune skis, you should learn. its a pretty gratifying deal to be honest. these were the first hand finished pair i have done in at least 10 years, and it was really really fun, and much quicker/easier than i "remembered"... in the modern age of robots, and hand finish really connects the tuner to the boards, and gives you a level of craftsmanship and pride in skills that is long gone. sort of the a snowboard shaper.
at this point there are exactly 3 singles of this ski in the world, so not at the onsnow demos since they will head to ISPO. they are in the prototype stages, and not fully ready for sale or widescale demo. numerous people wanted to demo it at WP onsnow as well... and man, i dunno about all of that. the amount of convexity will change as well as the positioning and amount of cleating will be slightly modified. the skis are also made in a traditional manner and weight a ton, so they will not be widely demo'd until we can offer them in a PURE construction. the goal is to have them ready in a year or two, but not release them until they are actually ready and dialed.
jer- the idea is not to cleanly and roundly carve a turn. its about being able to control your speed and direction in some capacity (ie without cleats, you would literally not be able to hockey-stop). more cleats = more ability to carve, but less spoon effect. this design was to explore the maximum amount of convexity and the minimum amount of cleats and dept of cleats.
01-28-2011, 07:58 AM #38
01-28-2011, 09:13 AM #39
Spoon is a great name.
Perhaps a stupid question: why even bother with edges at all besides in the cleats (and perhaps could go with a novel edge design on those to help in runouts)? Is is purely for ease-of-manufacturing?
01-28-2011, 10:13 AM #40
It's about time someone came up with a convex ski. I was thinking spooned tip and tail and conventional under foot, but it looks like DPS has put a lot more progressive thought into the idea. I'm psyched, but I'm glad it's a couple years away; I'm still saving for my 112RPs.
And what Marshall says about hand tuning has me psyched too. I've tuned my skis for years on budget, but I always left the pattern to the shop. It's time to do some research.
01-28-2011, 10:31 AM #41
After fondling this ski yesterday, the analogy I had for it was a kayaking one:
Playboats are best in the play park. The flat hull and sharp edges make sense on the groomers where the slope is also 2 dimensional, flat, and unyielding. That is a normal ski.
A 112RP is a river running play boat. It has rocker and edge.
A 138 is a river runner with lots of rocker and the softened edges, but it still has a planing hull.
Powder is like the water of a free flowing creek and the Scoop 150 is a displacement hulled creek boat made to rock it out!
The cleats are like drop chines so you can still carve into an eddy.
(yes i know the physics of the analogy don't quite match)Originally Posted by blurred
01-28-2011, 12:10 PM #42
Certainly a fascinating design, it will be interesting to see the final version.
Not to piss in anyone's Cheerios, but it seems like this ski would be woefully impractical for anything other than cat/heli/snowmobile skiing. There are very few resorts where you're going to be skiing enough powder, even on the deepest days to want a ski like this.
I'm sure that the final version will be unreal in deep, untracked snow, but I'd take a pair of 138's over these any day.
01-28-2011, 12:30 PM #43
I'd love to see this design concept work out. Good luck.Nine out of ten Jeremy's prefer a warm jacket to a warm day
01-28-2011, 12:35 PM #44Registered User
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Personally I found 138's to be an amazing bc ski. Their center flat surface area worked well for skinning yet they were still light enough to be a good all day touring ski. Since I don't have a sled, snowcat, or heli, this is how I get my non-resort powder days. I'm not sure you could skin very easily on the spoon 150's though.
01-28-2011, 12:47 PM #45Registered User
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01-28-2011, 02:21 PM #47
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01-28-2011, 02:43 PM #48
With the spoon/hull and the cleats/tines sticking down DPS should call it the Spork.
01-28-2011, 03:09 PM #49
I am surprised they didnt first come out with a convex base on the 138. Not fully convex, just in the rockered tips and tails....Best Skier on the Mountain
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01-28-2011, 03:22 PM #50