Thread: New, wider Moment Garbones

Originally Posted by willie61

bibby's and night trains are not even close to the comi's in powder and chopped up powder, the comi's are way more nimble in tree's and tight spaces then both the night trains and hellbents and about on par with the ep pro's. Where they really shine is when it gets chopped, I live in the tahoe area and ski Kirkwood and it gets hammered fast, the comi's just blow through it, you can just turn them side ways and scrub speed when you want or just open them up, they are so stable at speed in anything and can absolutly rail on the groomers. I have the 2012 Comi's (and yes they have the swallow tail) in 182. mounted at +4 or -5 from tru center. The best thing about them in powder is with the swallow tail you can sink the tails at slow speeds on less steep area's and stll turn them on a dime, and when you get going shift your weight foreword and slash and slide no problem. I think the reason ski builders are getting away from the really fat skis is because most people can't ride them. I skied the last 15 days of my season on the comi's because they are so fun and versatile, I even took them in the park and was spinning 3's on them, they are lighter then my hellbents,about the same weight as my ep pro's. DO NOT be afraid of fat ski's.

Just got an email from Moment confirming that the 182cms for 2012 are swallowtails.

Great comments willie.....exactly what I hope these skis to be. I loved my EP Pros and Opuses for everday skiing.....but they were just too soft at speed when it is chopped up.

K

You won't regret it kc, I couldn't find a speed limit on mine in the chop, and I mean the type of chop you encounter after a 30+ inch storm, with some pretty wind affected snow.

You guys are making me think I might need a pair of the swallow tails as a back up.

[QUOTE=kc_7777;3651134]Just got an email from Moment confirming that the 182cms for 2012 are swallowtails.

Great comments willie.....exactly what I hope these skis to be. I loved my EP Pros for everday skiing.....but they were just too soft at speed when it is chopped up.

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Ep pro's are a blast in perfect untracked powder where you can just slide them sideways at speed, have a tidal wave of snow go over your head with out slowing down or missing a beat, but when it gets chopped you have to stay on edge where it is stiff under foot so you don't get worked to badley, but that gets old after awhile. they do carve unreal on soft groomers as long as you don't go to fast. I would never sell my pair. I was bummed when line came out with the opus instead, I felt that if they reduced the rocker slightly and stiffened it up quite a bit it would be the the perfect all-mountain/powder ski. How did the opus compare to the ep pro?

Hey,

My new 182cm 2012 Moment Comis (with swallowtail) should be arriving this week. Pumped.

Also - sorry we have jacked this Garbones thread for a Comi discussion.

Question for willie.....sounds like Moments recommended line for the Comis is approx. -9cm? ie You said you had your Comis mounted at +4 or -5 from tru center? I assume your +4 is 4cm in front of Moment's recommended "0" line? I typically like pretty standard mounts...but not too far back. 9cm back seems far to me. Just wondering if/how the swallowtail affects anything here? My 180cm Moment Rubies are on Moment's recommend "0" line which looks to be approx. 6.5cm back from true center.....both my Libs are approx. 5.5cm-6cm back from true center.

You also asked about the 2010/11 Line EP Pro vs the 2011/12 Line (white) Opus.....likely another thread but I loved the 185cm EP Pros just for the fun factor. Great in untouched deep and also great just hopping around down the mountain in softer snow. I even found them fun on soft groomers too. But at Baker, I am skiing with guys who rip fast. And these guys were on stiffer skis (LibTechs, Line Motherships etc.). I sold the EP Pros to a guy in Revelstoke (where you need EPs) and bought the 185cm white Opus which was a great ski too (loved them in pow, easy on groomers). Not quite as poppy and fun as the EP Pro but a great all around pow ski that ripped the groomers. But the Opus also had a speed limit when there were 30cm pow pillows spaced out everywhere (Baker gets lots of snow but is cut up inbounds by 10 am). You had to stay centered and on edge on the Opus in these conditions but you could still get worked bad if you were trying to rip really fast down a powdery, mogul field with huge stashes of deep snow, but with barer spots with less snow/bumps. The Opus still had a tendency to buck you around on the soft tails. I sold my Line Opus's to one of my university students. Cause when I demo'd some LibTech NAS Pows I could ski way faster in Baker conditions. They were just stiffer and able to power through stuff better.

From what you say about the Comis....they will be awesome in the deep, but will also blow through the cut up stuff.

I also like the fact that Moment (and Libs) are local companies. Kind of nice to buy a pair of skis and then the owner of the company sends you an email saying you will love the skis.

Still selling crap in my garage on ebay.....trying to raise cash as I wait on those 9 pairs of Garbones in Evo's inventory to go on sale this summer. I will have some quiver overlap but who cares.....hard to sell my LibTechs. Love those skis too.

K

Originally Posted by kc_7777

Question for willie.....sounds like Moments recommended line for the Comis is approx. -9cm? ie You said you had your Comis mounted at +4 or -5 from tru center? I assume your +4 is 4cm in front of Moment's recommended "0" line? I typically like pretty standard mounts...but not too far back. 9cm back seems far to me. Just wondering if/how the swallowtail affects anything here? My 180cm Moment Rubies are on Moment's recommend "0" line which looks to be approx. 6.5cm back from true center.....both my Libs are approx. 5.5cm-6cm back from true center.

The Garbones are perfect at -8.5, and the Jaguar Shark has the same recommended point. Given that Comis have a similar camber profile, -9 doesn't sound ridiculous. Skis without tail rocker are generally mounted farther back. Mounting too far forward can make them feel unbalanced.

I come from a very strong surfing backround so I like to be on top of the snow in powder surfing and slashing around so all my skis are mounted foreword between -1 to -2 from center. I demoed the comi's at the 0 line which is -9 from center, they also have marks at +2 from there and -2 from there, I think at +4 it just makes them a little quicker edge to edge, at 136 under foot they will float no matter where you mount them. Kirkwood does not get the snow that baker doe's but we still average 500" a year, but it doe's have lots of tight chutes and spines to deal with.

So for me I think the comi's feel better at +4 then on the line, they are so easy to ski, you can ski them foreword or stay centered or even ski them off the tails without any problem at all, just a neautral feel to them.

I have been looking at those Garbone's for about 3 months now on the outlet wishing they would drop a little more, even though I have not owned a pair of ski's under 115 under foot in 6 years and already have about 6 pairs for skis they look like they would be a blast for the dry days between storms, not to mention the fact that Moment makes some of the best skis in the world.

Thx D(C), I have to remember I am buying skis without tail rocker, just early rise in the tip (vs the JJs, EPs and Opuses that I have been on recently that have had lots of rocker in both tip and tail = where I was much more center mounted (-2 to - 4 from true center)).

Plus I kind of trust Moment's recommended mount point as it worked well on my Rubies on the "0" line.

The comi's do have a slight tail rocker to them, and have as much tip rocker as the opus do and slightly more then the JJ, keep in mind that the 2012 comi is a slightly different ski then the previous years, it has the carbon strips to make it more lively and lighter and a tighter radius, it's a more plaful then in the past.

Hey,

So since my last post have received the 182 Comis from Moment (yes they are swallowtails).

Also in a snap decision I also bought some 2012 190 Bibby Pros for $350 (came available from the Moment site and on DC's recommendation!). So I managed to sell my 2011 LibTech NAS Pow 181s on ebay for $350. Decent ski trade I think.....2012 Bibbys in for 2011 Lib Pows out. Loved the Lib Pows but too similar to the Bibbys.

I am becoming a Moment whore as I am again drooling over the Moment Garbones 182cm on at Evo for just $339 now.

Thinking a + 2 Mount for the Comis (- 7cm from center) and +2 for the Bibbys (- 4 from center). Those positions look about right when I just place the bindings on the ski. Historically I like a more centered mount, especially if a ski has both tip and tail rocker.

Gonna think about / research these mount positions a fair bit over the summer.....been reading how to mount skis on TGR and have even mounted a few 2 x 4's this week and it has worked well.

K

Originally Posted by kc_7777

Thinking a + 2 Mount for the Comis (- 7cm from center) and + 2 for the Bibbys (- 4 from center).

How much do you weigh?

-7cm from center on the Comi's will be fine. And you can probably go as close as -5, but I would caution against being that close to center on the 190 Bibby because in the chop, you'll want to be able to drive the tips as hard as possible without worrying about tip dive.

Originally Posted by PappaG

How much do you weigh?

-7cm from center on the Comi's will be fine. And you can probably go as close as -5, but I would caution against being that close to center on the 190 Bibby because in the chop, you'll want to be able to drive the tips as hard as possible without worrying about tip dive.

175 lbs.......standard mount ( the "0") on the Bibbys is -6cm from center?

thx for the comments

Originally Posted by kc_7777

175 lbs.......standard mount ( the "0") on the Bibbys is -6cm from center?

thx for the comments

Suggested mount is -6cm. I would stay there at your size. For what it's worth, I had a -5 and -7 mount on the 190s. You lose some float at -5 unless you can keep a complete centered stance and don't drive your tips at all.

Ya,

So I mounted the 182cm Comis at -7cm and the 190cm Bibbys at -5cm (they just looked right at -5cm and I am used to a centred stance from skiing EP Pros, JJ's and Opuses).

K

Hey,

If anyone wants some, Evo.com has the 2011 Moment Garbones 182cm on for approx. $320 in their outlet section.

K

Just an update...

So I skied these a few days last spring and everything I said in my first review holds. They're versatile and stable without being unmanageable. What was missing was some time in deep snow. That changed today.

I took out the Garbones on a day when I would normally grab the Bibbys. Conditions were a decent amount of new snow with no alpine terrain open yet, i.e. lots of tree skiing. The best ski for these conditions is one that is floaty and maneuverable - 2 attributes that may not come to mind with a ski like the Garbones. After a pretty kickass day, I can safely say these could work as a one ski quiver for the right skier.

I found them to be as maneuverable as I'd want them to be in the trees. The narrower, flat tail made it easy to bang off snappy, energetic shorter turns. While this ski is conducive to using its sidecut, I never had trouble braking them loose when I needed to slide. The shape seems to work quite well in the trees.

Now for my "for the right skier" caveat - float. Float was great as long as I kept the speed up and was energetic about getting out of my turns before the tips could bog down. When skied with less energy, the definitely didn't automatically pop to the surface. The lucky thing is because these reward skiing at high speeds, they made me generally keep a speed where they'd float. I should also note that I weigh 165 lbs. For a heavier skier, a stiff 182 may not be the right tool for a powder day.

I really like these and will likely be using them most days this season at Whistler. These are a racer's dream all-mountain ski.

Just checking in to say these continue to blow me away. I need to try some Jag Sharks or Belafontes to see if any of the traits from these live on.

D(C), will post a full review of the 182 Jag Sharks soon with comparison to the skinier Garbones, and the COMI (no swallow). I have not had the chance to get some consistent vertical in untracked pow on them yet. As a teaser though, the Jag Sharks, are freakin amazing. On hardpack they respond to a slightly less driven stance. First couple of days I was overpowing the tips skiing them too much like the Garbones, they weren't folding or anything, the ski just felt a little dead. Then I relaxed a little off the front of my boots, found the sweet spot, and man what a difference, great pop and energy out any sized turn, but like the Garbones they love to run in longer arcs with that bigger radius. Its easy to eat up a lot of vertical really fast and they feel very comfortable at high speeds. They do just fine in crud, but let's face it your never going to find a ski that destroys crud better than the Garbones. The Jag's inspire slightly more creative paths through deeper, harder icy-er crud. The Garbones give you the giddy thrill of pointing straight at shit and barely feeling it.

What I find coolest about the Jags, is the versatility of the tails. If you want to arc traditional on-edge turns the tail has a beautiful poppy medium flex that you can load up and hold through an entire turn. What's weird though is that its equally easy to slide out the tails and break em free at any point. I spent a couple days with my little bro, and he just picked up the 12/13 Jeffrey's. We swapped back and forth, and yes it was easier to release the tails on those, but not by much, and they have a significant amount of tail rocker. As a total aside, the Jeffrey kicks ass. Its the first ON3P ski I have been on and they have an incredible feel, damp and poppy and true to length. But back to the Jag Shark. For quick direction changes, you can use the energy of the tail and the skis camber, or you send em sideways pretty quick (same as you describe above).

The other really nice feature of the Jag Sharks, is the shape. Even though its 116 in the waist its still a fairly straight ski. You don't have that weird spot just back from the tips that you get on the heavily tapered fun shape skis that make them knock together when skiing tighter spaces and bumps. You can really get your knees pretty tight together in bumps.

I'll be taking these out to Kicking Horse and Reve in a few weeks and hopefully get some longer vert in pow. As it stands the Jag Sharks have pretty much been my quiver of one on the east coast this year, and I have enjoyed every day.

Hey D(C),

I never did buy any Garbones, and sold my new Bibbys to a buddy who really wanted (needed) them.

Have got some new Hojis and PB&Js now.

Bought then quickly sold some DPS Wailers (too soft/squirrelly in Baker's chunder). Bot em on a recommendation from a student.....quickly moved them here on tgr.

But I kept the cash from the Wailers out of the household account in an envelope in my truck as I need around a 105-115mm waisted ski that is fairly stiff and could also be used for some sidecountry (with Guardians).

Each day I ski Baker I stop at the Glacier Ski Shop and fondle the Moment Bibbys, Deathwish, Jags and the Belafontes. The flex on the 182 Belafontes is pretty burly compared to the 184 Bibby and 184 Deathwish. I am leaning to either a Bibby or Deathwish as they are probably slightly more versatile at Baker (not a lot of huge open lines there) If I skiied Whistler regularly then maybe Belafonte or Jag.



Probly gonna pull the trigger on one of these soon.

K

Originally Posted by Shu Shu

D(C), will post a full review of the 182 Jag Sharks soon with comparison to the skinier Garbones, and the COMI (no swallow). I have not had the chance to get some consistent vertical in untracked pow on them yet. As a teaser though, the Jag Sharks, are freakin amazing. On hardpack they respond to a slightly less driven stance. First couple of days I was overpowing the tips skiing them too much like the Garbones, they weren't folding or anything, the ski just felt a little dead. Then I relaxed a little off the front of my boots, found the sweet spot, and man what a difference, great pop and energy out any sized turn, but like the Garbones they love to run in longer arcs with that bigger radius. Its easy to eat up a lot of vertical really fast and they feel very comfortable at high speeds. They do just fine in crud, but let's face it your never going to find a ski that destroys crud better than the Garbones. The Jag's inspire slightly more creative paths through deeper, harder icy-er crud. The Garbones give you the giddy thrill of pointing straight at shit and barely feeling it.

What I find coolest about the Jags, is the versatility of the tails. If you want to arc traditional on-edge turns the tail has a beautiful poppy medium flex that you can load up and hold through an entire turn. What's weird though is that its equally easy to slide out the tails and break em free at any point. I spent a couple days with my little bro, and he just picked up the 12/13 Jeffrey's. We swapped back and forth, and yes it was easier to release the tails on those, but not by much, and they have a significant amount of tail rocker. As a total aside, the Jeffrey kicks ass. Its the first ON3P ski I have been on and they have an incredible feel, damp and poppy and true to length. But back to the Jag Shark. For quick direction changes, you can use the energy of the tail and the skis camber, or you send em sideways pretty quick (same as you describe above).

The other really nice feature of the Jag Sharks, is the shape. Even though its 116 in the waist its still a fairly straight ski. You don't have that weird spot just back from the tips that you get on the heavily tapered fun shape skis that make them knock together when skiing tighter spaces and bumps. You can really get your knees pretty tight together in bumps.

I'll be taking these out to Kicking Horse and Reve in a few weeks and hopefully get some longer vert in pow. As it stands the Jag Sharks have pretty much been my quiver of one on the east coast this year, and I have enjoyed every day.

The Jag Shark sounds like my kind of ski. I'll be on the lookout for any cheap 182s that pop up. As good as the Bibbys are, the Jag Shark sounds like it may be a Bibby killer. I've been using my Garbones 90% of days since I like the flat tails. The Bibbys are only better in pow, but the softer Jag Sharks could kill it.

If you compare dimensions between my 2nd gen Garbones and the Jag Sharks, the Jag Shark appears to be a Garbones with 4 mm width added all around. I bet the shape is money.

Originally Posted by D(C)

The Jag Shark sounds like my kind of ski. I'll be on the lookout for any cheap 182s that pop up. As good as the Bibbys are, the Jag Shark sounds like it may be a Bibby killer. I've been using my Garbones 90% of days since I like the flat tails. The Bibbys are only better in pow, but the softer Jag Sharks could kill it.

If you compare dimensions between my 2nd gen Garbones and the Jag Sharks, the Jag Shark appears to be a Garbones with 4 mm width added all around. I bet the shape is money.

I have a pair in 192. Good condition. I can sell it for $260 shipped

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Originally Posted by Dkla52

I have a pair in 192. Good condition. I can sell it for $260 shipped

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Thanks! 192 would be a big ski for me. I'd be more into 182s or maybe 187s. That's a nice price though.

Originally Posted by D(C)

Thanks! 192 would be a big ski for me. I'd be more into 182s or maybe 187s. That's a nice price though.

No worries. I'm 5'10'' about 170ish. Last year they didn't come in 187. 192 is actually very good for me except for really tight choutes and I have the Bibby 190 as well so I thought I sell these and get the pb&j. They are really good skis thou. Def get them if you come across 187

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Originally Posted by Dkla52

No worries. I'm 5'10'' about 170ish. Last year they didn't come in 187. 192 is actually very good for me except for really tight choutes and I have the Bibby 190 as well so I thought I sell these and get the pb&j. They are really good skis thou. Def get them if you come across 187

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Back east the 182 has never felt short (for reference I'm the same 5,11 160 ish type of dude), but I can imagine the 187 being the money length in bigger terrain on a pow day.

Has anyone posted pics of the 2014 from SIA? Please tell this is still going to be around next year.

Originally Posted by Shu Shu

Has anyone posted pics of the 2014 from SIA? Please tell this is still going to be around next year.

I didn't see the Jag Shark here for next year?.....but there is something called the "Frankenski" though.....and "mullet rocker":

http://www.newschoolers.com/readnews...t?c=latest&o=2

Originally Posted by kc_7777

I didn't see the Jag Shark here for next year?.....but there is something called the "Frankenski" though.....and "mullet rocker":

http://www.newschoolers.com/readnews...t?c=latest&o=2

Yeah strange, if the the dimensions can be trusted it looks they may have done some type of merge of the Governor and the Jag Shark

Current Governor 150-116-123
Current Jag Shark 143-116-129
Next Years Governor 142-116-128

Hard to tell anything more with no rocker profile from that pick. Curious.