Thread: MFD All time Touring bindings? Any Beta?

Man!!!! I would be so stoked to get my hands on some of these. For Europe they would be killer just to make side country easier to get to. The 3-4 kilometer range.

I am still waiting for Look or Salomon to make an AT binding cause I just have no faith in Markers quality. They feel cheap, are made of cheap materials and maybe it is different in the states but after working in a Ski shop (Austria) for a couple of years the brand of binding that most often comes into the shop with broken parts is Marker. We don't sell them cause we cant see the value in selling a binding that over the years has had soooo many Jigs and Systems and hole patterns that for me seems like they have never found that one system that they could agree on being solid and bomber. In bindings it seems like the best designs are the ones that stick around. Like pivots and salomons (The STH series nowadays). Maybe I am ignorant of Markers history but I cant think of one.

This plate would mean that I could use any of my s14's, s16's for the short side country access that I would be looking to get at. More about getting horizontally away from what has already been skied out instead of big vertical.

Like the dude says in the clip people have bindings they trust because they have never been fucked by them. For me its Salomon bindings for others its Pivots but how many people swear by Jesters or dukes. I know there are people out there that do but there are going to be more and more DIN AT soles coming out so this would be a dope idea. Excited to see when this starts to sell cause I would be down for 2 pair.

Looks sick though, real sick, I dont REALLY trust dukes, although they are the best on the market currently.

I feel the same way!!!

I dont understand why you wouldnt just use the duke I guess. There is no way this is lighter, and I have a hard time believing it would tour any better.

I just don't feel like trusting my legs to a binding made my Marker. I have seen dukes, mounted them and skied on them and I was never really confidant on them.

MFD would mean being able to put what you trust on your feet. Its never gonna be rando light but if I feel solid on them then I'll drag the extra pound up if I have to.

These look pretty sweet, only thing I see wrong is that boots might not release correctly because of the ridge running along the side of it. Especially if the binding had a floating AFD. But I don't know much about current alpine binders.

looks interesting. progression is a good thing on the AT front.

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Originally Posted by shredgnar

These look pretty sweet, only thing I see wrong is that boots might not release correctly because of the ridge running along the side of it. Especially if the binding had a floating AFD. But I don't know much about current alpine binders.

I thought that too. Needs a scallop out of the sidewall like they did for ski brake.

As a Dynafit owner this excites me. Slack country all the way! Looks like a good solution to me.

Have there been any details regarding release date?

Will we be seeing these this season?

I don't think releasing will be a problem because the edges of the frame sit flush or lower than the plates on either side of almost all bindings. The only one I can think of would pe a Pivot because:

a) the back clamp sits super flush

b) If that is the case then the heel would get caught on the frame and probably fail to release.

But seeing as the guys have tested them on a not sure what they are called in English (einstellungs geräte) and the DIN values for release for the tested bindings are still within the +-15% no worries.

On top of that I dont think they can sell it as a DIN certified product until they prove it doesnt affect the DIN values.

All I know is if this thing costs more than $115 (dynadukes) I don't see the point.

Interesting....
So someone just re-invented the old alpine trecker / securafix ?

Except you have to mount them onto one pair of skis ?

So when you're locked down and skiing all the pressure is on that back joint / latch a la fritschi/naxo instead of distributed front and back like on regular bindings or even dynafits.

Pass.

Yo, this is Jason Prigge, founder of MFD. Stoked to see all the excitement about the MFD ALLTIME and response for more info. This all started after years of skiing other AT bindings out on the market and being fed up that there wasn’t an AT binding that I can ski like I know I can on my downhill bindings. These fully performing downhill bindings already exist, so let’s use them. The MFD ALLTIME is our solution to this need.

We won’t be releasing a full tech sheet at this point, but here’s a response to a some of the questions that are on this post and few other specs about the binding:

-MFD ALLTIME’s will showcase at the 2011 SIA trade show and hopefully the European ISPO show as well (we’ll find out soon!)
-The official online and dealer release will be Fall 2011.
-The ALLTIME system is compatible with most High DIN DH bindings. Not going to list them now, but I will say they work well with the most popular DH bindings on the market.
-DH bindings compatible with the ALLTIME system will retain all DIN safety standards set in place by the manufacturer. Cutouts for brakes or sliding AFD’s are designed into each respective binding system. The channel walls are also lower than the boot, and therefore do not interfere releasing from the binding.
-Weight: waiting for our final production models to disclose official weight. However, our system is surprisingly light. As a reference, when mounted with most of the High DIN bindings on the market, they will be only slightly heavier than the Dukes (you are using your real bindings…). However, the weight is well within reason for day-long ski tours.
-The ALLTIME system is only 7mm off the ski - Far lower than the Duke and crazy low compared to the Freeride. This allows us to be extremely torsionally stiff, transferring feel and edge control back to the skier.
-Pivot points are brought higher on some binding models to increase efficiency. This allows all bindings to tour well regardless of the length of the toe.
-We have a patent pending floating heel lock system that allows the ski to flex naturally while staying in a constantly strong locked position.
-MFD touring positions are 0, 6 and 14, all ski pole activated and faster to use than other systems on the market.
-Ski to ski transfers will be made possible through the MFD Switchplates.

One of the best things people say after skiing the MFD ALLTIME is that it feels like you are skiing on your DH bindings. That's the ultimate goal.

Thanks to everyone who went to the ISPO BrandNew site and voted for MFD. It was huge to see the community come together for us! Please feel free to send any additional comments or questions to info@runmfd.com. Follow us on Facebook. www.facebook.com/RUNMFD.

I'm wondering why the thread in the ski forum got deleted? Or am I mistaken?

Originally Posted by Scottish_Skier

Interesting....
So someone just re-invented the old alpine trecker / securafix ?

Except you have to mount them onto one pair of skis ?

The big exception is you are not teetering on top of your bindings wondering if at your next stride you are going to break the treckers.

Looking forward to seeing the production model Jason, thanks for stopping by.

Originally Posted by RUNMFD

-Weight: waiting for our final production models to disclose official weight. However, our system is surprisingly light. As a reference, when mounted with most of the High DIN bindings on the market, they will be only slightly heavier than the Dukes (you are using your real bindings…). However, the weight is well within reason for day-long ski tours.

Ballpark on the weight? How about, answering closer along the lines of "Current prototypes weigh between 600* and 750* grams, but we're working on lightening them while retaining strength."

* Use your numbers here...


Any chance you'll be doing them in a finish other than Purple Ano? It'd be easy enough to get them powdercoated, but would be nice to not have to...

Originally Posted by RUNMFD

Yo, this is Jason Prigge, founder of MFD. Stoked to see all the excitement about the MFD ALLTIME and response for more info. .

ballpark how much is it going to cost??

Originally Posted by XXX-er

ballpark how much is it going to cost??

You read my mind.

At least something like within $100 dollars. $100-200? $200-$300?

Thanks for the info.

Keep on fighting the good fight. These look sweet.

So, if one were to mount dynafits to this plate, would it then be lighter than Dukes?

Originally Posted by shredgnar

So, if one were to mount dynafits to this plate, would it then be lighter than Dukes?

I guess I don't get it? If you have dynafits, why would you want to buy the MFD? If anything, just buy inserts or dyna/duke plates, and swap dynafits from ski to ski... I get the impression you wouldn't purchase the MFD for touring performance (but you would purchase Dynafits for that reason), if you have Dynafits you can already tour, and the MFD wouldn't lock you down to the ski any more securely than you already would be with Dynafits... Help?

Originally Posted by willmtbike4food

I guess I don't get it? If you have dynafits, why would you want to buy the MFD? If anything, just buy inserts or dyna/duke plates, and swap dynafits from ski to ski... I get the impression you wouldn't purchase the MFD for touring performance (but you would purchase Dynafits for that reason), if you have Dynafits you can already tour, and the MFD wouldn't lock you down to the ski any more securely than you already would be with Dynafits... Help?

Yeah, but I would have a more secure attachment platform which would allow me to drop hudge 60 ft+ cliffs on my dynafits.

Would these plates be compatible with rugged touring skis or just alpine skis?

Where the hell is Single in this thread? What we really want to know is whether dukes can be mounted on them. And if so, does this create a black hole in space?

Originally Posted by willmtbike4food

I guess I don't get it? If you have dynafits, why would you want to buy the MFD? If anything, just buy inserts or dyna/duke plates, and swap dynafits from ski to ski... I get the impression you wouldn't purchase the MFD for touring performance (but you would purchase Dynafits for that reason), if you have Dynafits you can already tour, and the MFD wouldn't lock you down to the ski any more securely than you already would be with Dynafits... Help?

Dyna/dukes are a good solution if you already have both those systems. To the other point, the ALLTIME locks you down far more securely than Dynafits - 4 ski mounting screws in the front and back. Plus you are attached to your DH bindings which we all know are stronger and have higher DIN settings than Dynafits. Product testing we've done has shown that the ALLTIME's tour as good or even better than the Dukes based on the touring riser height and efficiency. And you gain all the performance benefits of skiing back down on your DH bindings.

So, when I mount a pair of dynafits to your plates, I would have not one, but two heel lift sets!! This would allow to ascend a 65degree slope with ease! No more switchbacking and kick turns, I'm headed straight up!

Heavier than dukes and no price range yet. The excitement level went down for me.

I really want to like this idea. And it clearly has potential.
However Barons / Dukes already do a great job in this market space.
So struggling to see what they do for me.
Maybe I am just too old and cynical - but when doing a price comparison you need to add in the price of an alpine binding plus MFD plate.

For all that alpine tour-wreckers suck on the way up they are a very simple solution for short skins. And cheap if you buy them second hand too.