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11-03-2010, 03:14 PM #1
Serious question about "Obamacare"
Now that Boehner is hell bent on repealing the Affordable Care act, calling it a "monstrosity" and that it will actually cause "Armageddon", I need to know a little more about what makes it so atrocious. I know a little about its main provisions that seem reasonable and some details that seem stupid, but what really is so bad about it?
Honest question, I'd like to see both sides and what the non-supporters think is the big problem, other than "government takeover of healthcare" which is clearly not the case, the government is not running state hospitals now.Education must be the answer, we've tried ignorance and it doesn't work! Wait, nevermind, when you see a liberal using science to advance an idea...grab your wallet and your freedom and run.
11-03-2010, 03:21 PM #2
I'd like to know why Prescription Drug Care is not the same amount of evil. Perhaps that's Boehner's constituency?
11-03-2010, 03:24 PM #3
children born into poor families shouldn't get a free ride
11-03-2010, 03:28 PM #4
11-03-2010, 03:34 PM #5
Obama turned up the heat too fast and the American people jumped out of the pan.
it's all young and fun and skiing and then one day you login and it's relationship advice, gomer glacier tours and geezers.
11-03-2010, 03:44 PM #6
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11-03-2010, 03:49 PM #8
If Boehner had a clue he would have come out with something. He's against it because Obama was for it. Simple as that. Once the people from big Pharm and the Insurance Companies who pay for his tan said they could work around it, he just kept up the rhetoric. Interested in hearing other thoughts. Especially those on the right.
11-03-2010, 03:56 PM #9
Why isn't Boehner talking about repealing prescription drug?
The costs are similar to Health Care Reform Act?it's all young and fun and skiing and then one day you login and it's relationship advice, gomer glacier tours and geezers.
11-03-2010, 03:59 PM #10
11-03-2010, 04:01 PM #11
I don't disgree with that and it should be a "conservative" goal. Why isn't it? Politics maybe?it's all young and fun and skiing and then one day you login and it's relationship advice, gomer glacier tours and geezers.
11-03-2010, 04:18 PM #12
Did you run on the same ticket as Rand?Goals for the season: -Try and pick up a sponsor.--Phill
But whatever scares you most... --Rip'nStick
11-03-2010, 04:25 PM #13
So back on track...
When the bill passed, I read a brief synopsis of it and was like, "this is what people are fired up about? this seems pretty modest to me."
The two answers gleaned from Rubicon's...uh...responses so far seem to be:
1. government overreach
2. something about not wanting people, presumably those who couldn't otherwise afford it, to get free rides.
Other responses might be:
3. Something about rationing.
4. Something about it being unconstitutional to require people to buy health insurance.
Wow. That was really hard to do without sarcasm.We heard you in our twilight caves, one hundred fathom deep below, for notes of joy can pierce the waves, that drown each sound of war and woe.
11-03-2010, 04:28 PM #14
One of the reoccurring criticisms of liberals is that they disregard the constitution when it suites them.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Do you believe in our system of governance or not?
11-03-2010, 04:29 PM #15
11-03-2010, 04:32 PM #16
I still don't know much about the Obamacare. A lot of people don't. Maybe instead of just calling everybody a bunch or dumbfucks who don't know what's good for them, the Democrats could explain to us the high and low points of Obamacare. That shouldn't be too hard and would go a long way towards repairing the image they currently have of being a bunch or condescending douchebags.
11-03-2010, 04:36 PM #17
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11-03-2010, 05:00 PM #19Goals for the season: -Try and pick up a sponsor.--Phill
But whatever scares you most... --Rip'nStick
11-03-2010, 05:24 PM #20
11-03-2010, 06:02 PM #21
- No more prexisting conditions exclusions (which you can not have without a mandate for coverage, period) or recission.
- Additional focus on preventive care
- A super rad all-inclusive web-site quoting portal - one stop shopping if you will - that will greatly reduce the need and costs of agents who are a big chunk of $$ in the system. You will eventually be able to actually get rates and sign up for coverage here.
- Lot's of funding for electronic medical records infrastructure and investing in coordinated care (the only real solution to lower the cost curve)
- Additional access to gov't programs for poor people
- Children can be covered through age 26 on their parents plan if they are not offered coverage at their work
- Subsidies for coverage for poor to middle class people
- tax breaks for business offering coverage
- Additional scrutiny of insurers with an 80% loss ratio floor (75% for individual coverage) which will keep insurers with monoplies in certain markets in check. Should not be an issue to bottom lines if insurance companies are run properly.
- Greatly reduced numbers of uninsured reducing their burden on the system.
- Additional tools to fight fraud in both public and private sectors
- The mandate (a necessary bad that you can't not have if you get rid of preexisting conditions exclusions - it'll blow the whole thing up)
- Weak employer mandate no mandate for employers under 50. More of the onus is on the individual (this being a bad thing is my own opinion.
I thought the original house bill was perfect)
- The cost - which is mostly from the tax breaks, the subsidies and additional access to medicaid. This is the cost to the gov't. The aggregate cost to individuals should be positively impacted in the long term (YMMV of course)
- It won't cover enough people (because of the weak mandate - pick your poison)
- additional regulations (changes) so people like me have to do a little bit more work (just kidding, it's actually kind of fun )
One thing I'm concerned about that may or may not be addressed:
Physician shortage / cost of becoming a physician - we should invest in our best and brightest to fill holes and so they can give back without $200,000 in student debt.
11-03-2010, 06:03 PM #22
Should have been a bi partisan bill so the repubs came out as jerks to many because they fought it, but I'd rather someone vote no if they don't really know what the hell they're voting for."You damn colonials and your herds of tax write off dressage ponies". PNWBrit
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