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Thread: Wasatch Conditions 10-11
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10-29-2010, 06:01 PM #151User
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10-29-2010, 06:04 PM #152Addicted to blow...er.
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mostly was just the NH=maritime statement. i mean sure, it's close to the ocean but... maritime climate regarding snow safety is pretty damn opposite of the NH climate
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10-29-2010, 06:09 PM #153
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10-29-2010, 06:19 PM #154Banned
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10-29-2010, 09:11 PM #155Registered User
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Ok, just to clear things up
The most common types of avalanche instability-
Martime Snowpack- new snow instability
Continental Snowpack- persistent weak layer(suface/hoar frost, facets etc.)
The Wasatch is usually somewhere in the middle of these two depending on the year.
Lest you continue to spread your ignorance, take an avalanche class, before you get yourself or someone else killed in the backcountry.
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10-29-2010, 09:29 PM #156
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10-29-2010, 09:34 PM #157Registered User
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Right, people should just go out with no knowledge or any idea what they are doing. Great idea!
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10-29-2010, 09:43 PM #158Banned
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couldn't agree more
getting out there often with a trusted conservative snow vet is crucial to learning about snow. learn safe travel techniques, features, traps, keeping slope angles low, and learning to stay out of the way from looming hangfire and flying hippies above you is some important stuff.
books are good for reading, snow is just as good for reading and better for sliding on. best way to learn snow is to get out and walk in it with yer pole pokin at it and yer eyes open every day if ya can. keep angles low.
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10-30-2010, 07:14 AM #159
Since the wasatch really is a new range for me, I want to pick a spot to dig pits and watch the pack over the coming season. I like the same vicinity/aspect so I can watch it build and morph storm by storm. Here in colorado I would pick a face that is easterly just below treeline, but I wonder about there. True north would be more likely to keep interesting layers, yes?
Live each season as it passes; breathe the air, drink the drink, taste the fruit, and resign yourself to the influences of each.
Henry David Thoreau
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10-30-2010, 07:20 AM #160Live each season as it passes; breathe the air, drink the drink, taste the fruit, and resign yourself to the influences of each.
Henry David Thoreau
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10-30-2010, 07:23 AM #161
One more question - do you guys know of any maps/documentation of the slide paths in lcc?
Live each season as it passes; breathe the air, drink the drink, taste the fruit, and resign yourself to the influences of each.
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10-30-2010, 07:33 AM #162
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10-30-2010, 07:37 AM #163Registered User
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SheRa, I'm sure some mags on here have better ones, but this is a start for you.
http://www.avalanchemapping.org/IMAGES/litcotweb.pdf
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10-30-2010, 09:15 AM #164Registered User
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Rog vs. ECtreeskier: one I've been waiting for.
Meltfreeze/windcrust to 11K at 5 pm yesterday. Plus, a lot of this:
It is worth noting for those of you not concerned with what began as a slim base, the measured total at the Collins stake is down to 22 inches. That is not much snow.
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10-30-2010, 09:59 AM #165
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10-30-2010, 10:44 AM #166Addicted to blow...er.
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10-30-2010, 11:07 AM #167
I'm certainly not an expert on this stuff, but my understanding is that buried surface hoar is generally referred to as just that - buried surface hoar (or hoar layers). Depth hoar is what forms due to vapor transport processes/temperature gradients in the snowpack....
(basically if it formed on the surface, it's surface hoar, if it formed inside the snowpack, it's depth hoar)
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10-30-2010, 01:46 PM #168Registered User
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pics from day 2 at alta - did laps off wildcat ridge all day then came down west of rock gully - the pow was heavier but still fantastic
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10-30-2010, 01:50 PM #169Addicted to blow...er.
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slaag you still want those fatypus's? they're haggard but yours if you think you can figure out how to mount them!
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10-30-2010, 02:04 PM #170Registered User
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hell ya! i can mount anything! send them to
Andrew Hardy
8185 Oak Creek Dr
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i am living in a garage and don't have mailbox privileges.
thanks dude. what did you do to your pelvis? will you be here this winter?
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10-30-2010, 02:06 PM #171Addicted to blow...er.
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i don't need to mail them haha i live on foothill just north of 80. i'll let you know next time i'm headed down (ski season should start for me in 2 weeks or so). pelvis was "minor" setback, just a little mtb accident but i'll be good to shred.
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10-30-2010, 02:16 PM #172Registered User
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i can ride my bike over if you like
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10-30-2010, 05:51 PM #174Banned
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explore em all
you'll find some cool stuff at all elevations/aspects all season long. visit them all. a good place to start would be the twin lakes pass area, north facing patsy, s/sw/w facing east emma, and east facing off of pass. with very little walking you'll see/poke at a bunch of different snow types and see very quickly how the snow changes in a very short distance. plus you get some fun laps in and around there as well. close to the bar. some days after doing a white/pink/red pine tour, i'd drive up past the ski hill and crooze up to the pass for sunset and farm any of north facing patsy that was left untracked. easy croozer back down the road at tours end.
yer gonna love it.
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10-31-2010, 12:37 AM #175
I think I still have that PDF. I'll post it when I find it.
I worked with Drew Hardesty at the Utah Avalanche Center to produce avalanche maps of all the major drainages in the Cottonwoods. The maps show the most frequent slide paths, give detailed information about the topography and other characteristics, and give an overall rating for the area:
Simple: i.e. Mill D
Challenging: i.e. Flagstaff
Complex: i.e. Argenta
Unfortunately the cheif avalanche officers in Montana said we couldn't release the "Challenging" and "Complex" maps to the public for liability reasons. They also shot down our idea of creating a dynamic map for the website that would give hazard ratings to specific areas for a given day.
Last time I checked with Drew he said the "Simple" maps of areas such as Mill D and Main Porter Fork will be released but not sure when. We were thinking of distributing them to places like REI. The idea is to let the public know where they can be safe in the backcountry regardless of the conditions.Last edited by Mark H; 10-31-2010 at 04:53 PM.
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