Thread: "Jib" bindings as all arounders

All these bindings that are described as "Jib" seem to have some kind of shock absorption, which I think is usually in the form of some softer plastic in either a pad or some portion of the binding to take shock from landings, jibs, etc.
My question is, if I'm not doing any "Jibbing" except medium airs and the occassional big air, and never any rails or boxes or any of that silliness (not to knock it but, hey I like to ski!) does the shock absorption suck up any of the good feel when you're just doing good ol carving on groomers?
That's what I value most, the feel of the ski and the snow and I don't want to dampen it in exchange for having a cushy landing the few times I take air.
I am looking at bindings for a new pair of Volk Bridge 2010s, and I plan on them being my one ski all arounder. I am 6' 1" 172 lbs, agressive, level 7-8 skier. Specifically I've been considering the Look PX series or the Salomon STH, mostly because there's a lot of good deals right now.
I do everything, from powder to trees to carving, so I would prefer to stay away from the jib type bindings if they dampen too much feel when cruising.
I haven't skied on them (since I am an Ohioer that just goes on two western trips a year) so can anybody shed some light on this.
Am I just overanalyzing it?
Thanks.

Really aggressive? Probably posting on the wrong board my friend. TGR is about slippers and pipes, not slappers and pipes. Try posting on Alpine Zone, they'll understand all that jibberish talk you have there.

Originally Posted by Huck_Schmuck

Really aggressive? Probably posting on the wrong board my friend. TGR is about slippers and pipes, not slappers and pipes. Try posting on Alpine Zone, they'll understand all that jibberish talk you have there.

It was a pretty simple question, basically a yes or no answer. Sorry to write beyond your 3rd grade reading level there Huck.
I'm new to this board, so I'm hoping there are a few people who like to talk about ski equipment rather than whine.
Anyone?

Well, are you a level 7 or level 8 skier? We can't really help unless we know exactly what you are.

Ok, fine, we'll say 7 then.

You are over-analyzing. It is all marketing and as long as the binding has a DIN setting that meets your needs it will be fine. STH and PX series are both good. Have fun skiing.

Originally Posted by Chrx-7

Ok, fine, we'll say 7 then.

Wait, you can be 7 and really aggressive?

Originally Posted by Huck_Schmuck

Wait, you can be 7 and really aggressive?

He is obviously lying. Since I am a level 5 certified PSIA instructor, I can tell.

Heres what I reccommend.

Quit skiing the backseat, keep your arms forward.

You should be paying me for this.

By the way, I dont know if you know this, but there is actually no skiing in Ohio. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

I guess I'll have to confess ignorance I didn't realize it was a whole official rating sytem. Just thought it was an arbitrary 1-10 scale deal.
Is there a good web page somewhere that describes the different levels?
What ever level I am OFFICIALLY I don't know, I'll just say I ski hard and fast.
Anyways, I've skied for 13 years, lived in Keystone, CO for two winters, worked as a liftie and skied almost every day at the big 5. So I like to think I got pretty good during that time.

Really, no skiing in Ohio? Boy I need to get me out to some of them big ol hills out there with you boys!!

Don't you think it's bad enough that I LIVE in Ohio? I don't need people rubbing it in all the time!!!

Originally Posted by Chrx-7

.. lived in Keystone, CO for two winters, worked as a liftie and skied almost every day at the big 5. ..

What!?! Did you jib the customer service desk? I'm gonna have to call bullshit, in CO its called Garts IIRC.

hahah this is too good. Ill throw you a bone for at least posting in the right forum. The shock absorber is really a marketing gimmick, and I have never noticed a difference skiing bindings with or without it. If you're that concerned, take the pad out.

Have a friend who lives in Western NY area. OH folks drive 2-4 hrs to go skiing here on weekends:

http://www.cockaigne.com/map.html

Show up with 2 pairs of race stock skis, 150 flex Dobermans, & Spyder race suits to run the NASTAR course.

Its quite the spectacle apparently.

But I say good on ya. Any day on skis is better than nothing.

Originally Posted by Kim Jong-un

Have a friend who lives in Western NY area. OH folks drive 2-4 hrs to go skiing here on weekends:

http://www.cockaigne.com/map.html

Show up with 2 pairs of race stock skis, 150 flex Dobermans, & Spyder race suits to run the NASTAR course.

Its quite the spectacle apparently.

But I say good on ya. Any day on skis is better than nothing.

Originally Posted by skibum193

hahah this is too good. Ill throw you a bone for at least posting in the right forum. The shock absorber is really a marketing gimmick, and I have never noticed a difference skiing bindings with or without it. If you're that concerned, take the pad out.

Well F*** me for reading companies' descriptions of their products!
That's why I asked the question. Thank you for the answer.
I was just curious how extreme the absorption was, since I haven't bought bindings in about 10 years.

And off topic...
Again, I don't ski Ohio except the one yearly outing with friends, more time spent in the bar getting hammered and ocassionally taking the 5 min lift ride, 15 second ski down the hill.
So gimme a break. Don't you think I'd move out west if I could!!!
Btw, Bristol, NY is actually not bad. 1200 ft vertical at least.
Snowshoe, WV sucks A**. Also around 1200 ft but pretty much a day care center. Haven't been to Cockaigne, but it looks pretty pitiful.
I learned on 240 ft tall Boston Mills/Brandywine back in High School.

Hey dude. Everyone is ragging on you. Level 7!! Chill.
Just cos you worked as a liftie, doesn't mean you need to act like the gapers/beaters/JONGs you used to serve.

I guess of more importance (if it is important, at all) is if you're used to skiing with a "lifter" under the binding, which is better for carving, "allegedly".
A lot of "jib" or "freestyle" bindings mount lower on the ski, making them easier to "slarve"...allegedely.

I assume you know that EVERYBODY on here avoids the groomers?

If you are "an aggresive skier", any binding will work, as you won't notice the subtle differences...
The favorite bindings on TGR are any Alpine Bindings made by Marker

I am a level SIX certified PSIA instructor. I can without a doubt, tell you that you are a level 8 skier with just hearing the way that you describe your skis in relation to the snow.

Seeing that you like to carve groomers, I would say that any binding with a din level of up to 14 will be sufficient.

Beyond that, the stomp pad that you have mentioned in the bindings, is completely necessary to smooth out the rough landings from big airs. It is not needed for medium sized airs, or the rail slides. If you are doing rail sliders, it will also serve to move your foot off the rail, which will make it tougher to do a good grind.

All in all, my professional opinion is to get px14's.

Gooday, and goodnight

Do what he says. ^^^^^^^



After all its a professional opinion.

PX14 is heavy for a non expert level.
Better get a any Salomon Din 12 or a Marker Griffon

That jib dampening stuff is straight bs. Get a binding that suits you (sounds like 12-14) and ski it.

Quick answer, yes they will work. Just make sure that the can accommodate your din setting without maxing out the spring in either direction.

I'm just a fucking dentist. Why would I know anything about "jib"?

100%4w350m3!!!

Thanks all. I just ordered the Dynastar PX 12, they are crazy cheap on Evo.com right now. $119.

That's exactly what I kinda figured about the absorption, marketing b.s.
It seems like, to actually absorb impact enough to make a difference, you would have to be on bindings made of rubber.
The elasticity thing does seem like a good thing though, but again, it sounds like most bindings nowadays have that anyways.
While we're on the topic of marketing B.S. do Look bindings actually have, as they claim, "The most amount of elasticity of any binding..."
OUR BINDING ELASTICITY IS CRAZY CRAZY CRAZY!!!!!!!!!! YOU'LL FEEL LIKE YOU'RE ON A FRIGGIN TRAMPOLINE!!!!!!!! YEEEAAAHHHHHH!

Originally Posted by Chrx-7

While we're on the topic of marketing B.S. do Look bindings actually have, as they claim, "The most amount of elasticity of any binding..."
OUR BINDING ELASTICITY IS CRAZY CRAZY CRAZY!!!!!!!!!! YOU'LL FEEL LIKE YOU'RE ON A FRIGGIN TRAMPOLINE!!!!!!!! YEEEAAAHHHHHH!

No, its BS, telemark bindings have way more elasticity than Looks.

I think the early leather bindings really had the ideal amount of elasticity.