Thread: Pentagon Accused Of Launching Supervirus Attack On Iranian Nuclear Plant

Originally Posted by Ripzalot

Boo fucking hoo. What are they going to do that they aren't already doing or trying to do?

At least it puts them a few steps further from actual nukes.

you mean like wmds in iraq? i'm not the least bit concerned about iran. i'm much more concerned about the u.s. and israel.

Originally Posted by spook

you mean like wmds in iraq? i'm not the least bit concerned about iran. i'm much more concerned about the u.s. and israel.

Yep. There is a much higher chance that the US or Israel will start a war with Iran, than the other way around.

Originally Posted by doughboyshredder

Yep. There is a much higher chance that the US or Israel will start a war with Iran, than the other way around.

Yes, and per our binding treaty with Israel, we would have to go to war with them if they have a war with Iran.

Just makes you wonder WHY the US or Israel hasn't attacked Iran yet ... ?

Uh ... yeah, that's right ... waiting for the US Corporation's CEO to get "re-elected" in November. That is, IF you believe HE is YOUR POTUS, anyway. Same goes for that Bush-mafia criminal Romney as a future POTUS. Two different heads of the same Devil, IMO.

The actual/REAL powers "in charge" are setting up the groundwork for the big war next spring. Arrest and detain meddlesome US citizens who dare protest, find new ways to threaten & intimidate Putin, bribe/coerce/appease China (and its interests) any way they can, and threaten any other nation who goes against them on Iran or Syria. All this, assuming no unexpected major arrests of the current PTB or key indictments occur before then. And assuming Netanyaho still gets enough of his countrymen and the US White House to agree on the .. "mitigation". I'm sure NATO (and al-CIA-da) will be more than eager for this whole plan to set up a new Rothschild central bank in Iran, give the BPs, Shell, and Exxons of the World more oil profits, and further the economic and military hegemony plans of those orchestrating the propagandized agenda. All while sinking US National Debt even further, way beyond the 16 trillion or so. Assuring and augmenting to the US bankruptcy status (if not already)! Lowering the US bond rating, etc, etc...

Ron Paul could stop all this (at least temporarily) and they know this.

So where do we go from here (Hell?)? ....

Originally Posted by machschnell

Just makes you wonder WHY the US or Israel hasn't attacked Iran yet ... ?

Uh ... yeah, that's right ... waiting for the US Corporation's CEO to get "re-elected" in November. That is, IF you believe HE is YOUR POTUS, anyway. Same goes for that Bush-mafia criminal Romney as a future POTUS. Two different heads of the same Devil, IMO.

The actual/REAL powers "in charge" are setting up the groundwork for the big war next spring. Arrest and detain meddlesome US citizens who dare protest, find new ways to threaten & intimidate Putin, bribe/coerce/appease China (and its interests) any way they can, and threaten any other nation who goes against them on Iran or Syria. All this, assuming no unexpected major arrests of the current PTB or key indictments occur before then. And assuming Netanyaho still gets enough of his countrymen and the US White House to agree on the .. "mitigation". I'm sure NATO (and al-CIA-da) will be more than eager for this whole plan to set up a new Rothschild central bank in Iran, give the BPs, Shell, and Exxons of the World more oil profits, and further the economic and military hegemony plans of those orchestrating the propagandized agenda. All while sinking US National Debt even further, way beyond the 16 trillion or so. Assuring and augmenting to the US bankruptcy status (if not already)! Lowering the US bond rating, etc, etc...

Ron Paul could stop all this (at least temporarily) and they know this.

So where do we go from here (Hell?)? ....

i hope you're joking. ron paul couldn't stop shit.

Just kidding. ^^^ Word I've heard from (alleged) insider-intel is that the whole Iran-Israel tension charade is a well-planned ruse by both sides to force world petroleum prices higher and thus greatly profit (by the critically-timed trading of well-connected insiders) thru the futures and derivatives markets therein..

So maybe there's no immediately forthcoming war after all..

D'oh

Originally Posted by spook

i hope you're joking. ron paul couldn't stop shit.

I was. About as well as JFK could stop Israel from getting the bomb, or his (further) continuing of the silver issuance, or shutting down the CFR and CIA, or continuing any future backdoor diplomacy with the Soviets, after the near-miss Missile Crisis. As well as leaving the disastrous Bay of Pigs (air-support) thing out, of course..

Ron Paul would merely be a bug crossing the road to the Federal Reserve/IMF, NATO, the CFR, the CIA/Vatican, The Brotherhood, and any/all associated financial/control-interests with an immense stake in world domination..

That said, you have a better solution?

Damn, dood. How heavy is that Tinfoil?

Would you have us hide behind a fucking fence? We aren't New Zealand and never will be. We're the loudest voice of the global community and that won't stop, mainly because we're the largest market of foreign goods. Seems Paul and his followers would have us go back to being pastoral self-reliant bystanders, which is a fantasy.

Originally Posted by doughboyshredder

There is no proof of them trying to do anything to start a war with us. There is proof of us trying to start a war with them. We are in the wrong.

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Dude, Israel & the US have been fighting a clandestine war with Iran since 1979.

And... In the US v. Iran body count, Iran is winning.

What the west needs to understand about Iran and NK for that matter is they are getting played.

Iran does not want an actual weapon as that is far too dangerous, they know that the presence of an actual weapon means the Israeli's with the help of the US are on the way to blow something up. Additionally they can't use the weapon, they lack the resources to be actually dangerous to the US so if they use one directly or our responsible they are one giant parking lot.

Instead they just want a program because that is what buys them leverage over far more powerful adversaries. When we showed up with lots of guns and troops on both boarders they kind of freaked out. Iran causes alot of ruckus, not real high level shit but shady your pissing me off kind of stuff. So they want the ability to hold us off while also projecting the regional power narrative they jizz over.

They stole it flat out from the NK playbook who run this shit constantly and with great success. NK figured out along time ago that the drunk uncle narrative gets what you want out of the US. Be perceived as very dangerous but weak and most importantly be perceived as desperate or unpredictable.

Surely you jest you say but ask yourself in the US/NK relations who actually calls the shots. NK does, they got the US to do 6 party talks and got food and fuel while continuing to develop a nuclear program that is 0% functional let alone dangerous. NK nor Iran can last more than about 10 mins in a war with the US they fucking know this but have managed to eek out policy wins by potential applications of force. That is quite impressive......

Originally Posted by doughboyshredder

There is no proof of them trying to do anything to start a war with us. There is proof of us trying to start a war with them. We are in the wrong.

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I don't consider a computer virus as an act of war. If so, then technically we have been at war with china and others for years if not decades. Everyone is doing it to everyone else and has been for a long time. It's silly to get outraged by it now.

So now we know this info was leaked for political reasons. Shameful behavior by the Obama admin. It will be interesting to see who takes the fall, if any.

Originally Posted by Ripzalot

I don't consider a computer virus as an act of war. If so, then technically we have been at war with china and others for years if not decades. Everyone is doing it to everyone else and has been for a long time. It's silly to get outraged by it now.

True, true. Many a hacker has tried (many successfully) to break into all sorts of government departments. Every facets of our government has also been barraged with tons of viruses, many intentionally. We've just had to step up our defenses on it. Viruses, spyware, and such has already been a thorn in the side of America for a long time now, and tons of them have originated from other countries. Kinda fun to finally be on the other side of it for once.

Originally Posted by Ripzalot

So now we know this info was leaked for political reasons. Shameful behavior by the Obama admin. It will be interesting to see who takes the fall, if any.

I thought there wasn't difinitive evidence of this? In fact, the GOP may be trying to frame this as a political move by Obama to make folks like you fired up.

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

I thought there wasn't difinitive evidence of this? In fact, the GOP may be trying to frame this as a political move by Obama to make folks like you fired up.

Definitive. Why else would this info or the other leaks such as the underwear bomber and certain details about the bin laden raid be leaked in an election year? Don't try to pin this in GOP outrage. There are prominent democrats who are very upset about these leaks.

Originally Posted by Ripzalot

Definitive. Why else would this info or the other leaks such as the underwear bomber and certain details about the bin laden raid be leaked in an election year? Don't try to pin this in GOP outrage. There are prominent democrats who are very upset about these leaks.

Totally...and when I went back and reread what I wrote I see why you took it this way. What I mean is that there are political motivations either way...GOP pins this on Obama Admin making them look bad getting folks fired up to vote for GOP in next POTUS election. Obama Admin leaks info to look tough on terrorists to bolster it's image when it comes to the "war on terror". Know what I mean?

Edit to add: McCain is privy to similar information as the POTUS being part of the Armed Services Committee...probably after Obama has scene it...but the point is, anyone with an agenda and loose morals could leak this info.

Originally Posted by Ripzalot

I don't consider a computer virus as an act of war. If so, then technically we have been at war with china and others for years if not decades. Everyone is doing it to everyone else and has been for a long time. It's silly to get outraged by it now.

So now we know this info was leaked for political reasons. Shameful behavior by the Obama admin. It will be interesting to see who takes the fall, if any.

Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta told ABC's This Week that cyber attacks, cyber spying, are "acts of war,"

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Awesome. So now we have the obama admin on record that we engage in acts of war.
But that doesn't belie the fact that this is nothing new and has been going on for a long time.
Nobody is going to war (a real war, with guns and bombs and shit) over cyber-attacks.

Originally Posted by milton

This is what impressed me most, you can't get "off the shelf" stuff that does this.

This site might be /. 'd right now.
http://www.debka.com/article/9050/

debkafile is an alarmist propoganda outlet no more reliable than a tabloid.

I don't know much about the virus or the siemens equipment that was targeted. Was this likely written in a high level language or all assembly?

Originally Posted by Ripzalot

Nobody is going to war (a real war, with guns and bombs and shit) over cyber-attacks.

Maybe not now but in the future this type of stuff is going to be much more devistating. We certainly have some smart guys working on stopping and also creating some really destructive code. So do many countries. Just wait to see what happens when a virus or two really screws shit up such as destroying electrical grids so huge cities are basically shut down and people are starving. Hard to say what the response would be.

lolz

Originally Posted by http://www.jta.org

According to the Times of Israel, computers at the Nantaz and Fordo facilities blasted the AC/DC song “Thunderstruck” at full volume in the middle of the night last weekend. An Iranian nuclear scientist reportedly complained to a cybersecurity expert via email that the song was playing from the computers. The virus also reportedly shut down part of the network.

I don't think I believe this but it would be great if it were true.

Originally Posted by Tuckerman

lolz



I don't think I believe this but it would be great if it were true.

Gee, could they really be running Windows?