Thread: Dynafit TLT 5 Boot

Originally Posted by ski2befree

It seems the consensus for putting Pro Tour liners in TLT5s is to go down a size from the shell size. But it also seems many people are going up a shell size from their normal size for this boot.

Tried the 24.5s and 25s and have to say, if I would buy the boots, I would go 25. The boots just are tighter than a nuns cunt.

With the 24.5s I def would go with a 24/24.5 intuition (aftermarket) with the 25s I could consider a 26 as with normal alpine boots. I am a 24.5 shooist.

Just that I prolly wont risk and go with the TLT5s. Asked some some shops (italy/norwedge) and their experiences with punching and they said they had a 50/60%...
Like 50% success and 60% failure. Failure by the materiel coming back or going over the board and streching out by the bellow piece.
With my foot would have to do about 8-10mm streching (103mm/24.5) and risking of blowing the boots to smithenees...mmm...nope.

Just going to push out some further support to get the bracket made to help lessen the forward lean on the boot for next season. I ride my RX130's at 12* and the difference between the the two boots is astonishing. Call me lazy but if lessening the forward lean makes traversing and riding 5* or 10* flats easier then why not.

That's not to say, fuck, these boots are amazing on the uphill, nothing has ever compared

Making a DIY lean lock plate with 2 or 3 degrees less FL is easy. Yeah, I've got a vertical mill in my basement so it was easier for me. Lou on Wildsnow did it with hand tools.

I switched back and forth between my factors and the TLT5Ps and I will definitely get, if available, the forward-lean-reducing -bracket. I'm so far forward with the TLTs in comparison I feel I can't drive the skis. In powder, I could care less, but anything firm, forget it.

Originally Posted by plugboots

I'm so far forward with the TLTs in comparison I feel I can't drive the skis.

Yup. That very aptly describes how I felt in my stock TLT5s and why I did the DIY mod to lessen the FL.

Originally Posted by plugboots

I switched back and forth between my factors and the TLT5Ps and I will definitely get, if available, the forward-lean-reducing -bracket. I'm so far forward with the TLTs in comparison I feel I can't drive the skis. In powder, I could care less, but anything firm, forget it.

Another vote to make this available. It doesn't KILL me in corn, but it could be a lot better.

Federico has declared the the stock FL is perfect for 98% of TLT5 users, that 1% can use more forward lean and 1% can use less forward lean. Lots of 1%ers on TGR

BigSteve, how much is a lot on TGR? 10 in total? ... well, that's much much much much less than 1% for the moment ;-)

Originally Posted by Big Steve

Federico has declared the the stock FL is perfect for 98% of TLT5 users, that 1% can use more forward lean and 1% can use less forward lean. Lots of 1%ers on TGR

My personal sampling of people with TLT5 is about 25 people, each of whom I know, have met or have contacted me via e-mail. Most, i.e., >50%, complain or at least opine that the stock boot has too much forward lean. Most of that 50% have taken steps or plan to take steps to lessen the lean. Based on my sampling, I have great difficulty accepting the notion that only 1% of TLT5 owners think the stock TLT5 has too much forward lean.

Your sampling is bigger, of course, but nonetheless it's only a sampling, i.e., you have not communicated with 100% of TLT5 owners on the issue. To my knowledge, of the 25 TLT5 owners I know, only two (me and one other) have gone public re their mods.

I have wide, Fred Flintstone feet.
I bought my TLT's at the Sport Loft here in Salt Lake. They stretched the fore-foot of the boot for me, and I have to say, it made a huge difference in comfort. Before the stretch, my feet were a combination of squeezed, hurt, and numb at the end of a long day of touring. With the stretch, the boots fit perfectly. Comfortable all day long. So, stretching can be done, but the shop needs to know what they're doing.

Originally Posted by Meathelmet

Tried the 24.5s and 25s and have to say, if I would buy the boots, I would go 25. The boots just are tighter than a nuns cunt.

With the 24.5s I def would go with a 24/24.5 intuition (aftermarket) with the 25s I could consider a 26 as with normal alpine boots. I am a 24.5 shooist.

Just that I prolly wont risk and go with the TLT5s. Asked some some shops (italy/norwedge) and their experiences with punching and they said they had a 50/60%...
Like 50% success and 60% failure. Failure by the materiel coming back or going over the board and streching out by the bellow piece.
With my foot would have to do about 8-10mm streching (103mm/24.5) and risking of blowing the boots to smithenees...mmm...nope.

Originally Posted by Big Steve

My personal sampling of people with TLT5 is about 25 people, each of whom I know, have met or have contacted me via e-mail. Most, i.e., >50%, complain or at least opine that the stock boot has too much forward lean. Most of that 50% have taken steps or plan to take steps to lessen the lean. Based on my sampling, I have great difficulty accepting the notion that only 1% of TLT5 owners think the stock TLT5 has too much forward lean.

Your sampling is bigger, of course, but nonetheless it's only a sampling, i.e., you have not communicated with 100% of TLT5 owners on the issue. To my knowledge, of the 25 TLT5 owners I know, only two (me and one other) have gone public re their mods.

I smell a poll in the works....

I just heard from Chris at Dyna USA that the new foward lean lock with a more upright stance will not be available as a spare part for the TLT5 next year. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Fredrico?

Also while I am at it, could someone tell me the outside diameter of the upper section of the Broad Peak pole? I am wondering if I can put a Life Link grip with a releasable wrist strap on it like I did with my older BD ones?

More questions: Will there be any changes to the TLT5P boot other than the new foward lean lock? Will the cuff pivot rivets be changed to prevent wear there?

Would love to know the answer to this ^^^^^^ I am not the best DIY person and would love not to have to go to town on the boots.

Harpo - at some point this summer lets do some climbing at the Leap as I would love to pick your brain about these boots as I intend to pick up a pair next fall. Just couldn't justify it this year given the seasonal conditions (and I bought a new road bike which gets pricey fast......)

TLT5 vs One vs Mercury?

Is there a comparison / chart on these?

TLT5 only works in tech binding correct? I assume the One you can use in non tech bindings. Is the big difference between the One and TLT5 the bellows flex and extra toe buckle?

Originally Posted by shirk

Is the big difference between the One and TLT5 the bellows flex and extra toe buckle?

One appears to have the same buckle configuration as Vulcan and Mercury, i.e., middle buckle anchored at the inner cuff rivet, and double-hinge upper buckle. Also, thicker Pebax shell and higher volume than TLT5, i.e. One is like Vulcan but different materials (softer, wee bit lighter, no carbon, Pebax instead of Gillewhatchamacallit).

The One/Mercury/Vulcan has a higher cuff than the TLT5. Also it's more that they added an instep buckle rather than a toe buckle. Also the new boots are supposed to have more internal volume and thicker liners.

The TLT5 is only supposed to work with tech bindings, but there are several comments in this thread about peoples' experience using them in frame bindings. The One is supposed to work in both tech bindings and frame touring bindings.

The One / Mercury is looking like a nice upgrade from my Spirit 4's. If the One is a about the same flex or a hair stiffer it will be a do everything inbounds/touring boot for me. If it's too soft then I'll step up to the Mercury.

Hard to compare any Dynafit vs. Spirit flex in terms of softness/stiffness because the flex progression is different. I skied Spirits for several years and never liked the flex (nor the boxy fit). With black tongues, the Spirit is definitely stiffer fore-aft than, say, the Zzeus, but the black tongues are like hitting a wall (no progression) and really suck. I expect the One to have ample lateral stiffness -- hell, my TLT5s have more lateral stiffness than my Spirits.

For sure, UCL.

Originally Posted by Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer

Would love to know the answer to this ^^^^^^ I am not the best DIY person and would love not to have to go to town on the boots.

Harpo - at some point this summer lets do some climbing at the Leap as I would love to pick your brain about these boots as I intend to pick up a pair next fall. Just couldn't justify it this year given the seasonal conditions (and I bought a new road bike which gets pricey fast......)

Originally Posted by Big Steve

Hard to compare any Dynafit vs. Spirit flex in terms of softness/stiffness because the flex progression is different. I skied Spirits for several years and never liked the flex (nor the boxy fit). With black tongues, the Spirit is definitely stiffer fore-aft than, say, the Zzeus, but the black tongues are like hitting a wall (no progression) and really suck. I expect the One to have ample lateral stiffness -- hell, my TLT5s have more lateral stiffness than my Spirits.

Good info thanks.

Hi, the best boot in the world is the TLT 5, I'll just start off there and then I will say;
I splintered the plastic semi-cuff-thingie which runs from the heel and up and makes it possible to lock the boot when the metal buckle pin goes through the cuff and the broken hinged plastic piece. I still use the boot, just taped it so I don't tear the inner boot on sharp plastic shards, and Its fine. I will of course change this broken thing when the seasons over. Its cracked from the top down and is barely hanging on without tape. I think I did it in a whitout backseat landing/crash, cause I think there was a funny sound and it wasn't my knee. The top buckle/pin popped out in this violent backseat landing and the skis didn't release. Anyone else had this problem with the boot? Again; what a fantastic boot!

Question 1: Those of you using Eliminators or similar foam to reduce the forward lean: Did you put foam on the removable tongue (a la RandoSteve), or on the liner? Do you likey? The stock forward lean is fine when it's steep, annoying when it's not.

Question 2: I have a finger to a finger-and-a-half fit on mine and want to put Intuitions in them. They're tight in a couple places even with the stock liner after 30ish days. I threw an old pair of Alpine Wraps in them the other day and they felt pretty good, but a bit short lengthwise while walking around the house. Given the pretty tight shell fit, should I go for the thinner Plug Wraps, or are the Alpines likely to be just fine?

I'm gonna use the stock liners for long death slogs in warm weather and the wraps for everything else.

Andyski, I tried the Eliminators glued to the tongues for awhile. Didn't do much to lessen the forward lean, but it might work better for someone with different physiology. Fabricating a new lean lock bar with c. 3* less FL did the trick.

Re liner fit, advice on the Internet has limited value, i.e., nothing replaces trial and error. FWIW, I switched to the Intuition Dream low volume liner and got quite a bit of extra room in the forefoot yet the heel holds down great. YMMV

Originally Posted by Andyski

Question 1: Those of you using Eliminators or similar foam to reduce the forward lean: Did you put foam on the removable tongue (a la RandoSteve), or on the liner? Do you likey? The stock forward lean is fine when it's steep, annoying when it's not.

Question 2: I have a finger to a finger-and-a-half fit on mine and want to put Intuitions in them. They're tight in a couple places even with the stock liner after 30ish days. I threw an old pair of Alpine Wraps in them the other day and they felt pretty good, but a bit short lengthwise while walking around the house. Given the pretty tight shell fit, should I go for the thinner Plug Wraps, or are the Alpines likely to be just fine?

I'm gonna use the stock liners for long death slogs in warm weather and the wraps for everything else.

If the alpine wraps feel good except for length, maybe consider locally heating at the toes to give you some more room.