4FRNT Renegade ~ Hand built in SLC.

[Bird Blaster]

Just popped the cherry on the 186's. Really excited to get to know these better.

First thougts: Loose, stable, and crazy nimble. unusual combo really. I typically like a 19x charger type ski with tip rocker and flat mid/tail----->eg. Bro 192's, and Praxis BM 120's. True to the talk, these shorties really give up nothing on stability and add a lot of pivot/nimblenessess.

nice to hear! I have been hearing that the 186's ski like a "longer ski"; can't wait to get mine now!!!!

great stoke

[whyturn]

Get out on em, utah flakes. Just be careful lotta instability

[|K_M|]

I am running my 186 Rens with plum guides, I was worried at first with the reverse camber on the skin track. Turns out they are awesome, not just ok, but they rocked the skin track there was a fair bit of ice the last time I took them out. As for weight, they aren't bad. Though I am coming off of 190 Czars with dukes.

Good call, thats what I'm doing with my 196s. I'm going inserts for both plums and fks 180s, I am so goddamn excited....just need the touring boots to show up, and order the inserts, and I'm good to go, can't wait to get out on them they look so beautiful.

[BC_Mike]

Hoji uses the 186 Rens with dynafits

Good, light combo for sure.

[azzure]

2 days on the 196 at Baker. Today was great. Maybe it is me or maybe it is the extra length of the 196 but these are no where close to squad stiff. They charge, carve, slarve with ease. Hands down the best ski ever, and no where close the the raging animal some claim. Not sure if I have a need for the Super7s anymore. These skis inspire confidence like no other but have a very surprising playful side to them. 4Frnt never change this ski, it is perfect!

[bmath]

After a couple of days on the 196 rens I'm very pleased with them. Surprising how well they can charge, carve, float, slarve, stomp. I mounted them at 93cm from the tail, but wish I had gone with 91cm or 92cm; There's an awful lot of tail that can make tight turns through the trees a little tricky.

[azzure]

FYI, I went 92 from the tail and think it is perfect.

[whyturn]

92 is Erics rec so seemed good, can't wait to ski em on next trip.

[Straightline]

Still have a pair of 186 left, and a couple of the 196 left. We also have a 186 Ren mounted for demo as well.

[Bird Blaster]

Can someone give the details on a straight tape pull from tip to tail on the 186's and 196's?

I would like to compare to my current quiver...now I am getting paranoid.


thanks

[D(C)]

Can someone give the details on a straight tape pull from tip to tail on the 186's and 196's?

I would like to compare to my current quiver...now I am getting paranoid.


thanks

My 186s are 185 cm tip to tail straight pull.

[auvgeek]

Received a pair of 186 last night! One of the prettiest pair of skis I've ever seen. Can't wait to get out on them.

After the WooTests get here, the quiver will finally be complete!

[D(C)]

Received a pair of 186 last night! One of the prettiest pair of skis I've ever seen. Can't wait to get out on them.

After the WooTests get here, the quiver will finally be complete!

I'd be interested to hear a head-to-head review. I think a lot of people are weighing the Hoji and WooTest for next year, so that comparison should give some good insight.

[auvgeek]

Plan to post a big comparison/head to head review similar to your 4FRNT one after I have some more time on the skis. Limiting factor will be injuries and lack of snow, not skis to test. Should get 202 L138, 196 Protest, 187 WooTest, 186 Renegade, 190 L120, 191 Lhasa Fat, and maybe OG C&D.

My conjecture re: HOJI vs. WooTest: I honestly don't think they'll be all that similar. From what I've read, the HOJI will have more sidecut, a stiffer flex, and less taper than the WooTest. The HOJI might make a great resort daily driver, but I think the WooTest will rule in the backcountry. If they would have made a narrower Renegade, I think that would be more similar.

[azzure]

Can someone give the details on a straight tape pull from tip to tail on the 186's and 196's?

I would like to compare to my current quiver...now I am getting paranoid.


thanks

My 196s measure 195.5. Do not be afraid of the longer size. My go to ski is the 195 s7 and I don't find the rens any more difficult to manage. That said they can charge as hard as you wish and the flex is perfect.

[ZekeWolf]

anyone tried the 196s in AK conditions? if so would you recommend it or would you go fatter?

[Mustonen]

anyone tried the 196s in AK conditions? if so would you recommend it or would you go fatter?

The 196cm ski that's 122 at the waist might not be enough ski for AK? Is that a real question?

(I guess I've never skied in AK, but.......)

[Bird Blaster]

anyone tried the 196s in AK conditions? if so would you recommend it or would you go fatter?

My guess is that a 196, 122mm ski that is stiff as a 2x4 should slam spines no problems!

[Maker]

^^having been there a few times, I think 115-125 is the perfect width WITH some sidecut. you are aren't necessarily skiing blower and you definitely want to be able to grab an edge when you need it. I have taken 138s up there twice and the second time switched to Atomic Atlases and would never switch back....

sorry to digress....plus search, there are tons of threads on the topic.

[ZekeWolf]

The 196cm ski that's 122 at the waist might not be enough ski for AK? Is that a real question?

(I guess I've never skied in AK, but.......)

yes it is a real question and i will notify you about the outcome..

[ZekeWolf]

499 EUR here in Germany is a bargain.

[Bird Blaster]

Finally got to pick my rens today!!!
Pretty jacked! They look amazing in person! The rocker was a little more subtle than I expected though.

Probably won't mount them till next year. Thinking guardians.

[auvgeek]

Probably won't mount them till next year.

Heresy!!

[codma]

planing to get a pair in next year Renegade or Hoji..
how do u compare with JJ`s these skis?

[monkeywrenchMoose]

planing to get a pair in next year Renegade or Hoji..
how do u recommend guys with JJ`s ?