Thread: Prop 8 Unconstitutional!

Originally Posted by doughboyshredder

oh, and the horror, they have raised a well behaved stable daughter for 16 years.

DBT, a lot of the assholes that you worship in your fucking tea party believe their daughter should have been taken away from them, because their sexuality doesn't fit their "conservative" mores.

For that, and that alone, you can go fuck yourself.

Personally, I'd rather see a kid raised by some hot dykes than a single mom. Since man kind began, marrage was between men and women. Many people believe society is better off that way. Many people believe gay marrage is a sin and don't want to vote for it. Big deal. That doesn't make them evil. No more evil than they think gays are anyways. It's called a disagreement. And too bad for you, and them that you were born in a Christian dominated country. Get over it. Keep fighting your fight and you may eventually win. But when you do, that means we will no longer be a Christian dominated country and we'll be fucked.

the 2 experts in the trial called in to support the gay marriage ban:

one of them, when questioned about the source of his assesrtations of the consequences of gay marriage (12x more likely to molest, downfall of civilization...) said that they all came from a thought experiment where a group of like minded individuals got together and wrote down a list.

The other one supported his conclusions because he "read it on the internet".

Originally Posted by deliberate

the 2 experts in the trial called in to support the gay marriage ban:

one of them, when questioned about the source of his assesrtations of the consequences of gay marriage (12x more likely to molest, downfall of civilization...) said that they all came from a thought experiment where a group of like minded individuals got together and wrote down a list.

The other one supported his conclusions because he "read it on the internet".

The only legit argument is religious.

seperation of church and state? this is what bothers me about the religious right.they refuse to seperate the two. live your life the way you want to, let everyone else live theirs and keep all that other BULLSHIT out of the laws.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

The only legit argument is religious.

Which by definition of the constitution is not a legit argument, so why is this even an issue? 1st an 14th, if I recall correctly.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

The only legit argument is religious.

I'm glad to hear that you know this. And Prop 8 doesn't effect any religious institutions ability to decide who they want married in their church.

Originally Posted by hutash

Which by definition of the constitution is not a legit argument, so why is this even an issue? 1st an 14th, if I recall correctly.

Seems like it's a 10th amendment issue to me. States rights.

Are you saying AN INDIVIDUAL can't inform his vote based on his religious beliefs?????

THAT would be the extiguishing of religious freedom.

A law can not be based on religious beliefs. That violates separation of church and state, and due process laws.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

Seems like it's a 10th amendment issue to me. States rights.

Are you saying AN INDIVIDUAL can't inform his vote based on his religious beliefs?????

THAT would be the extiguishing of religious freedom.

The argument under 14A was used to EXTEND individual rights. Don't feed me BS about how it violates the rights of the STATE under 10A to restrict individuals.

10A was not to be a tool to restrict individual freedoms. That is ALWAYS how it has been used in the cases of rights restrictions, whether it was the de jur racism in the south, or the gun haters trying to ban guns, or the gay hating LDS buying elections.

This is pretty much the same as how McDonald v Chicago and Heller v DC used 14A to incorporate 2A. For further reference, please consult 9A.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

Seems like it's a 10th amendment issue to me. States rights.

Are you saying AN INDIVIDUAL can't inform his vote based on his religious beliefs?????

THAT would be the extiguishing of religious freedom.

Not if that law violates the rights of others as defined by the Constitution. Equal Protection Clause.

...of course people like DT still like to believe the constitution only applies to white, male, land owners.

Originally Posted by advres

Some comedians can get away with saying nigger but you would never hear that word come out of my mouth.

Oddly, prop. 8 passed largely due to the black vote.
Flamboyantly gay black dudes are some freaky mofos.

Originally Posted by skiballs

...
Flamboyantly gay black dudes are * some freaky mofos.

* insert the word "often" in there and you have a stereotype that I think many, if not most would get behind, as it were...

Flamboyantly gay people of any race are pretty freaky. Flamboyantly hetero people kinda freak me out too sometimes.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

I'm shocked. I was pretty sure you were gay already.

Why do they wait till 7,000,000 people vote for something to figure out it's unconstitutional. The people who put this stuff on ballots jump through every possible hoop to make sure the votes hold up to the current interpretations of law. Then somehow, they turn out to be wrong every time because one activist judge says so.

You just demonstrated your absolute ignorance of the initiative process in California. Many initiatives have ultimately been held unconstitutioinal and not just by a lone activist judge, but by the Cal Supreme court. The propositions are frequently badly thought out and so obviously inconsistent with the Federal and California constitutions, one has to wonder if they were put on just to generate the subsequent lawsuit.

As for the notion that because 7,000,000 people voted for something no court should undo it....consider this. In the early 1960s there was an initiative which would have made legal a property owners refusal to rent or sell property on the basis of race. It passed.

Originally Posted by The Dad

The fact that a simple majority popular vote can amend the state constitution is insane.

Quoted to emphasize the insanity.

Originally Posted by hutash

...of course people like DT still like to believe the constitution only applies to white, male, land owners.

Wut wut?? The constitution applies to women???? Only that they make us samwuches and service us sexually, right?

Originally Posted by Pimpin Panda

Wut wut?? The constitution applies to women???? Only that they make us samwuches and service us sexually, right?

I think we're entitled to choose steak as an alternative. At least, that's what I tell The Mom.

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Think of it this way Dumbdumbtrain.

How would you'd react if let's say a CA proposition voted by similar margin to outlaw the private ownership of gunz?

You'd be wanting an "activist" judge to protect gun owners rights then....wouldn't you.... huh? It'd be a fucking self righteous whirlwind of channeling the founders intent and federalist papers bullshit.

And you'd be demanding that he rule for you based on real evidence and expert testimony, not through superstition or fear as the basis of you being discriminated against?

Oh and you'd be clamoring about your precious constitution again wouldn't you.

It's exactly the same thing here.

Fuckwit.

Brilliant!

This post is doing to deviate from normal CookieMonster format, which means, it's going to contain a lot of profanity.

It's funny watching the horrified spasms of the ridiculous right. 'Oh no! Teh Gays Are Going to Marry!'. At the same time, it's really pathetic to watch their victim act when they aren't even the one's who were harmed. To the point of harm done: there are many gay couples in California who wish to marry but cannot. The time these couples spend unmarried, which arises as a direct result of the senseless bigotry underlining Prop 8, is time in their lives they can never get back. The flow of prejudice into the lives of gay couples in California has caused tremendous harm, and the additional harm caused by yet-another-endless-series-of-delays-and-denials can never be undone.

DBT, the responses in this thread by people who actually know something about the political system in California reveal what you really are: a sad, little, ignorant man who lives inside a reality distortion field. Lots of your posts talk about keeping government out of people's lives. But like the very average moron that you are, you certainly seem to believe that the government belongs in people's marriages. Seems as if you support big government when it suits you; just like all the other pseudo-conservatives. ( This leads me to the inescapable conclusion that you must live a lot of your life in a state of self-denial, unable to acknowledge that you're not really a conservative, but instead are a man who would prefer to live in a world where religious organisations make the rules ... sort of like in ... say ... IRAN. )

And DBT, before you open your mouth again, let me tell you how I feel about Prop 8 firsthand, as a gay man. DBT, I've lived my entire life subject to various forms of institutional bigotry, and I'm plenty fucking tired of it. I'm lucky to have wonderful, supportive family and friends, but many others are not as fortunate. I think you should walk a mile in my shoes before you come into this thread and start making pronouncements about 'dirty homosexuals' and 'activist judges'. I've spent my entire life unable to marry, with a permanent boyfriend and all the 'trappings' that go along with it, including single filing taxes, dirty stares, an ugly episode in a restaurant parking lot when a large rock was thrown at my car as we drove off.

So fuck you DBT. You're a gutless cunt. ( Not to mention... DO YOU EVEN SKI? Have you posted any stoke? Contributed anything to the community here? Anything? I guess I'm asking ... why are you even here? Maybe you should try hannity.com or something. douchebag.com? cunt.com? ignorant.com? moron.com? Did your wife leave you because you have a little teeny pocket dick? Why are you such a sour asshole anyway? Did your wife leave you for another woman? Is it lack of sex? I only ask because ... I really can't think of any reason why your attitude sucks... and I don't say that just because you're a theocrat ... maybe you're a douchebag who needs to get a life, get laid, hit the snow, whatever. People like you, who are so interested in controlling other people's lives ... it's only because you don't have a life of your own. Oh, and can I reiterate: you're a gutless fucking cunt. )

I want to thank all the supportive responses in this thread; your support and forward-thinking social advocacy means the world to me ( and the rest of us ). It makes a tremendous difference in the fight for equality.

Originally Posted by CookieMonster

Brilliant!

It's funny watching the horrified spasms of the ridiculous right. 'Oh no! Teh Gays Are Going to Marry!'. At the same time, it's really pathetic to watch their victim act when they aren't even the one's who were harmed. To the point of harm done: there are many gay couples in California who wish to marry but cannot. The time these couples spend unmarried, which arises as a direct result of the senseless bigotry underlining Prop 8, is time in their lives they can never get back. The flow of prejudice into the lives of gay couples in California has caused tremendous harm. The harm caused by yet-another-endless-series-of-delays-and-denials can never be undone.

DBT, the responses in this thread reveal by people who actually know something about the political system in California reveal what you really are: an sad, little, ignorant man who lives inside a reality distortion field. Lots of your posts talk about keeping government out of people's lives. But like the very average moron that you are, you certainly seem to believe that the government belongs in people's marriages. Seems as if you support big government when it suits you.

And DBT, before you open your mouth again, let me tell you how I feel about Prop 8 firsthand, as a gay man. DBT, I've lived my entire life subject to various forms of institutional bigotry, and I'm plenty fucking tired of it. I'm lucky to have wonderful, supportive family and friends, but many others are not as fortunate. I think you should walk a mile in my shoes before you come into this thread and start making pronouncements about 'dirty homosexuals' and 'activist judges'. I've spent my entire life unable to marry, with a permanent boyfriend and all the 'trappings' that go along with it, including single filing taxes, dirty stares, an ugly episode in a restaurant parking lot when a large rock was thrown at my car as we drove off.

So fuck you DBT. You're a gutless cunt.

I want to thank all the supportive responses in this thread; your support and forward-thinking social advocacy means the world to me ( and the rest of us ). It makes a tremendous difference in the fight for equality.

Are you Catholic also?

Originally Posted by skiballs

Are you Catholic also?

No, I'm a Jew.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

Keep fighting your fight and you may eventually win. But when you do, that means we will no longer be a Christian dominated country.

One can only hope we will some day live in a country run by people who believe in rational, intelligent thought not superstition and fairy tales.

Originally Posted by CookieMonster

Brilliant!

Oh, and can I reiterate: you're a gutless fucking cunt. )

I want to thank all the supportive responses in this thread; your support and forward-thinking social advocacy means the world to me ( and the rest of us ). It makes a tremendous difference in the fight for equality.

Nah, we just want to be sure we can watch lesbian porn

...and I wouldn't call him a cunt, cunts can be very pleasant and enjoyable... a sandy vagina? now that might fit.

Originally Posted by CookieMonster

So fuck you DBT. You're a gutless cunt. ( Not to mention... DO YOU EVEN SKI? Have you posted any stoke? Contributed anything to the community here? Anything? I guess I'm asking ... why are you even here? Maybe you should try hannity.com or something. douchebag.com? cunt.com? ignorant.com? moron.com? Did your wife leave you because you have a little teeny pocket dick? Why are you such a sour asshole anyway? Did your wife leave you for another woman? Is it lack of sex? I only ask because ... I really can't think of any reason why your attitude sucks... and I don't say that just because you're a theocrat ... maybe you're a douchebag who needs to get a life, get laid, hit the snow, whatever. People like you, who are so interested in controlling other people's lives ... it's only because you don't have a life of your own. Oh, and can I reiterate: you're a gutless fucking cunt. )

Classic....So, why can't women walk around outside topless?

Originally Posted by hutash

One can only hope we will some day live in a country run by people who believe in rational, intelligent thought not superstition and fairy tales.

You mean Liberals? Tee Hee Hee. Talk about believing in a fairytail. Their ain't nothing rational about that program.