Climate Warming Undeniable according to NOAA and UK

[iscariot]

NOAA State of the Climate Report

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-monitoring/

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/bams-state-...imate/2009.php

Arndt, D. S., M. O. Baringer, and M. R. Johnson, Eds., 2010: State of the Climate in 2009. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc., 91 (6), S1–S224.



http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/0...tudy-noaa.html


Global warming 'undeniable,' report says
Last Updated: Thursday, July 29, 2010 | 10:53 AM ET
The Associated Press
The report says various temperature indicators are rising, while snow cover, glaciers and sea ice are declining.The report says various temperature indicators are rising, while snow cover, glaciers and sea ice are declining. (NOAA)

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming.

"A comprehensive review of key climate indicators confirms the world is warming and the past decade was the warmest on record," the annual State of the Climate report declares.

Compiled by more than 300 scientists from 48 countries, including Canada, the report from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said its analysis of 10 indicators that are "clearly and directly related to surface temperatures, all tell the same story: Global warming is undeniable."

Concern about rising temperatures has been growing in recent years as atmospheric scientists report rising temperatures associated with greenhouse gases released into the air by industrial and other human processes. At the same time, some skeptics have questioned the conclusions.

The new report, the 20th in a series, focuses only on global warming and does not specify a cause.

"The evidence in this report would say unequivocally yes, there is no doubt," that the Earth is warming, said Tom Karl, the transitional director of the planned NOAA Climate Service.

Deke Arndt, chief of the Climate Monitoring Branch at the National Climatic Data Center, noted that the 1980s was the warmest decade up to that point, but each year in the 1990s was warmer than the '80s average.

That makes the '90s the warmest decade, he said.

But each year in the 2000s has been warmer than the '90s average, so the first 10 years of the 2000s are the warmest decade on record.
Small changes add up

The new report noted that continuing warming will threaten coastal cities, infrastructure, water supply, health and agriculture.

"At first glance, the amount of increase each decade — about a fifth of a degree Fahrenheit — may seem small," the report said.

"But," it adds, "the temperature increase of about one degree Fahrenheit experienced during the past 50 years has already altered the planet. Glaciers and sea ice are melting, heavy rainfall is intensifying and heat waves are becoming more common and more intense."

Last month was the warmest June on record and this year has had the warmest average temperature for January-June since record keeping began, NOAA reported last week.

The new climate report, published as a supplement to the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, focused on 10 indicators of a warming world, seven of which are increasing and three declining.

Rising over decades are average air temperature, the ratio of water vapour to air, ocean heat content, sea surface temperature, sea level, air temperature over the ocean and air temperature over land.

Indicators that are declining are snow cover, glaciers and sea ice.

The 10 were selected "because they were the most obviously related indicators of global temperature," explained Peter Thorne of the Co-operative Institute for Climate and Satellites, who helped develop the list when at the British weather service, known as the Met Office.

"What this data is doing is, it is screaming that the world is warming," Thorne concluded.

[OldLarry]

I now associate global warmings w/ a rub n tug. thanks al-

[DasBlunt]

i just don't buy that it is solely from massive fossil fuel use, glaciers have been receding for a while, shits been heating up for a while.

Now, deforestation, i will buy that.

[powdork]

^^^drill baby drill

[PaSucks]

i just don't buy that it is solely from massive fossil fuel use, glaciers have been receding for a while, shits been heating up for a while.

Now, deforestation, i will buy that.

The industrial revolution happened a while ago too, for whatever that's worth.

[lemmycaution]

no shit (read sarcasm)

[Garrett]

To paraphrase the Fark headline, if they think it's undeniable they've obviously never been on the internet.

[neck beard]

To paraphrase the Fark headline, if they think it's undeniable they've obviously never been on the internet.

I don't (didn't) know what fark is, but that line is gold.

[snowsprite]

From everything I've heard and read, some is from human causes--some from natural and inevitable stuff (solar energy fluctuations for instance).

Either way, we're going to die.

Sprite

[doughboyshredder]

There's already a 4 page thread on this, surprise, surprise, where it should be, in polass.

[PaSucks]

There's already a 4 page thread on this, surprise, surprise, where it should be, in polass.

This isn't a political issue dumbshit, it's science.

[doughboyshredder]

That is fucking hilarity in the extreme.

AGW is one of the largest political issues of our lifetime.

Really, are you fucking serious?

[PaSucks]

That is fucking hilarity in the extreme.

AGW is one of the largest political issues of our lifetime.

Really, are you fucking serious?

It's a science issue that has been politicized, therefor there is no problem posting the about the science of it in the Padded room, so yes, I'm fucking serious. If this were gun control/abortion/socialized medicine, you'd have a point. Instead this is "is this happening and why?" which at its core is not a political issue it's a question of which science you find to be more accurate. Whatever the actual answer is will have nothing to do with democrats or republicans.

[doughboyshredder]

It shouldn't be a political issue, but it is on all sides.

regardless of the "science" of global warming, liberals tend to believe that humans are responsible, and conservatives don't. I doubt that much could be published to change either sides opinion.

[PaSucks]

It shouldn't be a political issue, but it is on all sides.

regardless of the "science" of global warming, liberals tend to believe that humans are responsible, and conservatives don't. I doubt that much could be published to change either sides opinion.

No doubt, my point was strictly that this is an issue that doesn't just fit into polyasshat, so no need to get on people for posting it here.

[lemmycaution]

It's a science issue that has been politicized, therefor there is no problem posting the about the science of it in the Padded room, so yes, I'm fucking serious. If this were gun control/abortion/socialized medicine, you'd have a point. Instead this is "is this happening and why?" which at its core is not a political issue it's a question of which science you find to be more accurate. Whatever the actual answer is will have nothing to do with democrats or republicans.

its not about which science you find more accurate, its about if you believe in factual scientific data or believe in burying your fucking head in the sand to justify a political (environmental) agenda and additude about natural resources. there is no thorough science countering this, just halfwits coming from purely political (and economic) positions. continuing to violate our environment as we have been is no longer about ignorance (since this information is no longer on the fringe) but is about stupidity and arrogance. the sad fact is that the world (first and third) is most surely unwilling or unable to change so as snowsprite said, we are all going to die.

[iscariot]

As I posted in the thread similar to this one (which was created after I had already posted this in the Padded Room because the other thread creator was a JONG who doesn't know how to use the SEARCH FUNCTION):

I wasn't sure which forum to post in, either Padded Room or Pollyasshat.

I used the search function and found that most of the topics similar to this had been posted in the Padded Room, so given that precedence, I posted here in Padded Room.

I agree with lemmy,

its not about which science you find more accurate, its about if you believe in factual scientific data or believe in burying your fucking head in the sand to justify a political (environmental) agenda and additude about natural resources

And at the risk of getting Pollyasshat in the wrong fourm:
I find it amazing that rightwing-republican-conservative-christian types won't believe in repeatable and testable scientific data collected by professional scientists all over the planet, but they will try to convince me to believe in an invisible man in the sky who is perfect and that they have absolutely no testable or repeatable evidence or proof of...


Perhaps the righty/christian/conservatives are so used to and conditioned to believe in something they can't prove and don't have evidence of, that they simply think the rest of the world (ie. scientific community) uses the same technique and manufactures stories to support some "predetermined scientific viewpont", much in the same way that a religion fabricates stories and tales to support its "predetermined religious viewpoints".

When in actual fact the scientific world relies on facts, data, and evidence to provide the background to ascertain/analyze what is occurring. Scientists do not make up stories to fit a predetermined viewpoint and then try to convince people of the validity of the story,...religion does.


At any rate, [/end sweet blog], back to your regularly-scheduled daily-dose of verbal masturbation

[Hobie Dick]

As i had previously stated in another thread, the left will never give up on the fraud known as global warming. It gets hot every summer and is the perfect time to scream and holler
" The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" It is unfortunate that the masses educated by public schools were taught global warming lies all through grade school and high school. I pity these peons as they were denied a true education. They received 12 years of leftist indoctrination.

The ultimate goal of the left is to use environmentalism as a tool to advance their anti capitalist agenda and destroy western Anglo Saxon culture.

There is a new revolution brewing in this country and the first strike will occur this November.

The left must be and will be destroyed.

In short, Global Warming my ass.

[neck beard]

anti capitalist agenda and destroy western Anglo Saxon culture.

Without looking it up, do you even know what Anglo-Saxon means? And if you do, is that the extent of the meaningful world in your view? Very sad if it is. Travel more. You are not the only great thing walking this Earth. if you understood that a little more perhaps you wouldn't be so angry-scared of science and nature and groups that think differently to you ("the left must be destroyed". But I know you are just an angry conservative troll, so why bother. You are doomed to violence that degrades the species and then eventual failure

Perhaps the righty/christian/conservatives are so used to and conditioned to believe in something they can't prove and don't have evidence of, that they simply think the rest of the world (ie. scientific community) uses the same technique and manufactures stories to support some "predetermined scientific viewpont", much in the same way that a religion fabricates stories and tales to support its "predetermined religious viewpoints".

This is why god people and therefore most conservatives are a threat to the evolution of our species. They are turning back the clock. They are demonising science and the process of observation, experiment, review. The fundamental 'my-way or no-way' attitude of many conservatives reminds me of the the way Muslims approach their pointless religion. Look how far they are getting in the realm of advanced, civilized and adaptable society! Epic fail.

i if you believe in factual scientific data

I know the point you made, and agree with you. But to believe in factual scientific data is a oxymoron.

[mock1]

From everything I've heard and read, some is from human causes--some from natural and inevitable stuff (solar energy fluctuations for instance).

Either way, we're going to die.

Sprite

I like that!!! Might as well die living, heh?

[lemmycaution]

well Hawk proved my point, and also proved that he (or whatever) is a douche. i have read Hawks posts before and they are from the same perspective every time (a political one) so its clear enough that you wouldnt listen to any FACTS that didnt fit into your worldview. Anglo saxon culture? please- move out of your mother's basement, quit the militia (or worse) and get a clue. How you can be interested in mountain sports and not be moved to care about the environment i dont understand- now that's an oxymoron. Hohes, i assume that you are saying that science is always already imbued with a position? science is not philosophy and "hard science" experimentation is set up specifically to not take a position, to cancel out any incomplete or slanted data, and the data has been pointing at human's role in global warming since the 1970's.

[Downbound Train]

well Hawk proved my point, and also proved that he (or whatever) is a douche. i have read Hawks posts before and they are from the same perspective every time (a political one) so its clear enough that you wouldnt listen to any FACTS that didnt fit into your worldview. Anglo saxon culture? please- move out of your mother's basement, quit the militia (or worse) and get a clue. How you can be interested in mountain sports and not be moved to care about the environment i dont understand- now that's an oxymoron. Hohes, i assume that you are saying that science is always already imbued with a position? science is not philosophy and "hard science" experimentation is set up specifically to not take a position, to cancel out any incomplete or slanted data, and the data has been pointing at human's role in global warming since the 1970's.

You really think this "science" isn't political? Wake up man. Just look who pays the scientists. 99% GOVERNMET. Follow the $$. If you are a scientist and your science doesn't fit the socialist, statist, one world government, cap n' trade promoting agenda, NO SOUP FOR YOU!

Why do you think the "science is settled" anything that disagrees is rejected by those paying the bills.

[Tippster]

I think Hawk may be the greatest Troll in TGRs history. Motherfucker is stays on message, dunnie?

My point is still "Fine, Global Warming is real. Now what?" The answer is not "buy a Prius" or "Get Solar Panels for your outhouse." That doesn't get rid of the carbon that's already up there warming us.

We're not going to stop using coal and other fossil fuels tomorrow. Don't pretend that we "should" - if you like electricity that's not gonna happen. If we slowly wean ourselves off fossil fuels that will not reverse global warming for over a century, if at all. Convincing a rich country like the US or Germany to switch to carbon neutral energy production is easy compared to saying the same to India. So we all need to understand that Big Oil, Big Coal, and Big Gas aren't going away.

I say we get Hawk to fly around the stratosphere with a big carbon vacuum thingy.

[Hobie Dick]

My point is still "Fine, Global Warming is real. Now what?" The answer is not "buy a Prius" or "Get Solar Panels for your outhouse." That doesn't get rid of the carbon that's already up there warming us.

Really Tipp, use your fucking brain. Think back a few years when AlGore was running around moaning about the ozone layer. That tack proved to vague and nebulous to the masses so it was distilled down to "global warming"

Relax sport, ice caps aren't melting, the earth is actually cooling and the sky will not fall. I promise.

The good news is the vast majority of Americans see global warming for the fraud that it is.

[Tippster]

Relax sport, ice caps aren't melting, the earth is actually cooling and the sky will not fall. I promise.

The only thing that would make this quote even awesomer is if you whispered it to me while we cuddled on the couch while Greta van Susteren reruns...