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    H.R. 5741?

    Slavery bill H.R. 5741 is now in debate

    H.R. 5741 is currently being argued in the house of representatives. If passed, H.R. 5741 will give the president the power to require 2 years of compulsory service from every US resident between ages 18 and 42. That's not a misprint: everyone between ages eighteen and forty-two will be required to serve in any capacity at the president's whim.

    This bill will destroy US commerce as citizens are reassigned to service. The bill's sponsor is Charles Rangel, a democrat from New York. The bill does not yet have a co-sponsor. It was introduced on July 15th and is now before the armed services committee.

    Prison Planet reports, "Under this new legislation nearly all, able bodied Americans will be sentenced to two years of forced labor. The infrastructure is already in place for those unwilling to participate in mandatory service and now the army is looking to fill it’s ranks with Interment/Resettlement Specialists."

    "The slavery bill is currently in debate in the House Committee on Armed Services chaired by Rep Ike Skelton a democrat from Missouri. Those who oppose mandatory slavery should contact Rep. Skelton. Many bills die in committee and this bill should meet the same fate."

    The slavery bill H.R. 5741 is now being debated. It will allow the president to require 2 years of service between every US resident between 18 and 42. The Libertarian Examiner says. "The bill HR5741 is government sanctioned slavery. Read it and weep."
    I know it is the examiner but it is a real bill

    Wow... first I heard of this (admittedly not up on the news as I should be). I know many countries have mandatory service once a person hits a certain age but a retroactive mandatory service for people up to 42 years old? What say you?

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    conscription might be just what this country needs

    the 42 thing is fucking retarded though. wonder if there's a specific person this is targeted at, to make a point?

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    the sky falls every year:

    1 . [111th] Universal National Service Act (Introduced in House - IH)[H.R.5741.IH ][PDF]
    2 . [108th] Universal National Service Act of 2003 (Introduced in Senate - IS)[S.89.IS ][PDF]
    3 . [108th] Universal National Service Act of 2003 (Introduced in House - IH)[H.R.163.IH ][PDF]
    4 . [110th] Universal National Service Act of 2007 (Introduced in House - IH)[H.R.393.IH ][PDF]
    5 . [109th] Universal National Service Act of 2005 (Introduced in House - IH)[H.R.2723.IH ][PDF]
    6 . [109th] Universal National Service Act of 2006 (Introduced in House - IH)[H.R.4752.IH ][PDF]
    7 . [102nd] Universal National Service Act of 1991 (Introduced in House - IH)[H.R.2681.IH ]

    serially, go to fark's front page for the debunking, you know better than this.

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    This is nothing new for him. He has been after something like this for years.

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/


    Edit: f2f beat me to it.
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    Dear Comrade,

    Please report for induction.

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    Dear skiballs,

    Charles Rangel is not the POTUS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikecandy View Post
    conscription might be just what this country needs

    the 42 thing is fucking retarded though. wonder if there's a specific person this is targeted at, to make a point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by f2f View Post
    the sky falls every year:

    1 . [111th] Universal National Service Act (Introduced in House - IH)[H.R.5741.IH ][PDF]
    2 . [108th] Universal National Service Act of 2003 (Introduced in Senate - IS)[S.89.IS ][PDF]
    3 . [108th] Universal National Service Act of 2003 (Introduced in House - IH)[H.R.163.IH ][PDF]
    4 . [110th] Universal National Service Act of 2007 (Introduced in House - IH)[H.R.393.IH ][PDF]
    5 . [109th] Universal National Service Act of 2005 (Introduced in House - IH)[H.R.2723.IH ][PDF]
    6 . [109th] Universal National Service Act of 2006 (Introduced in House - IH)[H.R.4752.IH ][PDF]
    7 . [102nd] Universal National Service Act of 1991 (Introduced in House - IH)[H.R.2681.IH ]

    serially, go to fark's front page for the debunking, you know better than this.
    Yeah, I saw exactly what you posted there. But I read the thread and it brought up an honest debate about mandatory service and I was hoping it might do the same here. Oh well, I guess it is just easier to point fingers and call me a retard instead of discussing the ideas this crackpot is suggesting.

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    While it'll never happen, I can certainly see a use for conscription - plenty of successful countries have it, and there are a lot of needed services that could be provided by several hundred thousand able bodied youths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    While it'll never happen, I can certainly see a use for conscription - plenty of successful countries have it, and there are a lot of needed services that could be provided by several hundred thousand able bodied youths.
    But not really in a military sense.

    The military is now based on a professional system and from what they say they seem to prefer it remain that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmadaBC View Post
    But not really in a military sense.

    The military is now based on a professional system and from what they say they seem to prefer it remain that way.
    true - not in a military sense. Although people in mandatory service could essentially take over most of what the national guard does; disaster relief, etc.

    Just reading Advres' quoted text above, it doesn't look like it specifies that service has to be military in nature. If it does, then I diagree with it; mandatory military service doesn't really seem like something this country needs right now.

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    I thought Rangel's whole point was to goad all the warmongers...excuse me "hawks"... in congress to put their money where their mouth is by opening up the possibility that their sons and daughters end up in the line of fire?
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    Quote Originally Posted by advres View Post
    Oh well, I guess it is just easier to point fingers and call me a retard instead of discussing the ideas this crackpot is suggesting.
    what do you want to know about mandatory service? i ran away from a country that had it just in time, many of my peers ran away from countries that had it (israel included) and some couldn't run away fast enough and had to go through it (finland). all my male relatives older than me have been there, many of the people i grew up with went through it.

    what this bill is talking about isn't mandatory service, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by f2f View Post
    what do you want to know about mandatory service? i ran away from a country that had it just in time, many of my peers ran away from countries that had it (israel included) and some couldn't run away fast enough and had to go through it (finland). all my male relatives older than me have been there, many of the people i grew up with went through it.

    what this bill is talking about isn't mandatory service, however.
    In a way it is. Sure it's not saying "you have to spend 2 years after high school in the armed forces" but it is saying that if it passes, you are obligated to give up 2 years if asked, up to the age of 42. So while no, it isn't mandatory service for all new kids growing up, it technically is much broader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by advres View Post
    it technically is much broader.
    and different from the draft laws you have now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by f2f View Post
    and different from the draft laws you have now?
    We don't have a draft law per se. We have a selective service requirement. meaning when you turn 18 you must register with the selective service board. In the time of a national emergency/war, warranting a draft you could then be called to serve.

    Any citizen in this country should expect to be called upon in the event of a truly national crisis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by f2f View Post
    and different from the draft laws you have now?
    Quote Originally Posted by OSECS View Post
    We don't have a draft law per se. We have a selective service requirement. meaning when you turn 18 you must register with the selective service board. In the time of a national emergency/war, warranting a draft you could then be called to serve.
    And unless they changed something, once you're 26 that's it. Even if there was a draft, I would not be considered.

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    ^^ True...
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    so, then, the new legislation increases the length of age when you'd be considered for service and decreases the maximum duration? i see, this obviously changes everything!

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    Quote Originally Posted by f2f View Post
    so, then, the new legislation increases the length of age when you'd be considered for service and decreases the maximum duration? i see, this obviously changes everything!
    And it isn't tie to military service. Anything goes. Your government owns your life if this ever passes.

    [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtDSwyCPEsQ"]YouTube- Obama's Plan for The Draft- MANDATORY SERVICE everyone 18-25[/nomedia]

    [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmDxebrm50Y&feature=PlayList&p=F3F021000E6 BD6D0&playnext=1&index=3"]YouTube- OBAMA calls for mandatory service of our children. OH Mao!![/nomedia]

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    i'm sorry, but i do think you all are being played like harmonicas. the boogieman is a legislation that has never passed and will never pass. i mean, DT, were you so scared when the dummycrats tried to convince you that bush will draft everybody into iraq? i mean, come on! question authority, will ya?

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    Quote Originally Posted by f2f View Post
    the boogieman is a legislation that has never passed and will never pass.
    Exactly. This thing is DOA.
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    I'd be OK with this. Thin out those KT liftlines a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powpig View Post
    I'd be OK with this. Thin out those KT liftlines a bit.
    and some of the retartedness on tgr...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripzalot View Post
    and some of the retartedness on tgr...
    That's not retardedness, that's selfishness. Get it right.
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