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Thread: Has the Obama Presidency failed?
07-15-2010, 09:52 PM #1
Has the Obama Presidency failed?
Some, like the below article would say yes it has, as it never lived up to the hope he gave us for a change from politics as usual. Others however will argue he has accomplished what he set out to do much to the horror of the suckers that voted for him.
Me, I don't know if he really ever had a chance in hell of being successful, but I know my priorities would have been much different that what he has done, so in that respect, he failed my expectations. Still better than the Old man and the dope from Alaska though
So what do you think after reading:
The Dangers of a Failed Presidency
By Michael Krieger, of KAM LP
I have been calling Barrack Obama’s Presidency a failure for at least six months now and it seems that I now have considerable company in this assessment as it becomes obvious to most. It is not a failure because of the Republicans. It is not a failure because of events beyond his control. It is a failure because this was a man that filled a depressed and downtrodden nation with the audacity of hope. When I voted for the man I knew it was against my personal financial interests. It was clear what he would do with taxes. Nevertheless, I got to the polls and voted for this fifth avenue creation thinking maybe, just maybe he might do some of the things he said. Most important to me were two issues related to the military-industrial complex (see Eisenhower’s warning on this during his Farewell Address [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY"]YouTube- Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex.[/nomedia]) and civil liberties. George W Bush was turning America into a depressed police state with perpetual war and consolidation of power between a corporate oligarchy and entrenched political class. A nation where the masses voluntarily gave up many of the liberties the founding fathers fought for merely to ease the fear that consumed them and which was propagated by the administration and the media. I and many others that voted for him even though they disagreed strongly with his economic policies thought he would at least reverse this trend. Why did we think this? Cause he said so. How foolish we were.
07-15-2010, 10:53 PM #2
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07-15-2010, 11:49 PM #3
07-16-2010, 02:38 AM #4
And what about energy...
To think Live2Ski, grown men like you, expecting a f'en unicorn...
I think perhaps he decided to put some energy into the economy and that which would certainly kill it down the way.
I too am pisse he didn't go after the Patriot Act.
But seriously, a unicon... you gotta be kidding meEducation must be the answer, we've tried ignorance and it doesn't work! Wait, nevermind, when you see a liberal using science to advance an idea...grab your wallet and your freedom and run.
07-16-2010, 02:40 AM #5
Failed to deliver hope and change? FAIL
Permanently destroyed the country ala FOXNEWS? NO (at least not yet)
Obama is just a liberal version of W, except he hasn't caused the disaster W caused, but that's mostly because Obama has only had 1 year to fuck things up instead of 8 years like W.Originally Posted by blurred
07-16-2010, 07:40 AM #6
-Down to 50k troops in Iraq by summer's end
Yep, despite actually fulfilling 3 more campaign promises than his predecessor he hasn't done shit. what a failure.
07-16-2010, 09:11 AM #7
we need a limp waving dick icon to accompany tipp's posts.
A minor victory for the Marxists regarding health care. It will be reversed and undone as soon as America speaks in November so zero/zero there.
The attempt to TAKE OVER THE BANKING INDUSTRY will be gutted as soon as America speaks in November.
Regarding Iraq, for every troop he pulls out of there, he will have to put into Afghanistan.
oops, another failure.
Ofuckingbama= failure (proving once again, there really is a God)Traveling the world to make our family money safe from leftist predators.
07-16-2010, 09:42 AM #8
Obama may be the most accomplished presidency since Nixon.
He has gone after exactly what he said he would on the campaign trail and accomplished it. He's had to make some compromises, some a bit too much because he never really got anywhere with the republicans.
I'm not sure the repubs would have given him anything more had he done anything different. It's just good to see the complete failure of the republican agenda, given it came so fast on the heels of their failure at governance.
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07-16-2010, 10:39 AM #10
I'm feeling pom-pommy toward O these days. He's fighting the good fight, and I think the Repubs will not do nearly as well as they thought they would a few months ago.
One thing I get concerned about is when O says he ignores the polls. this is tough for me, as I hated it under Bush. Now that I'm on the winning side, it's tempting to say damn the polls as they are rigged and based on misinformation. I'm sure the Bushies said that about the Iraq war. I think O needs to address the polls - tell the people that if deficit reduction is what they want, then the bush tax cuts have got to go.
07-16-2010, 10:51 AM #11
You failEducation must be the answer, we've tried ignorance and it doesn't work! Wait, nevermind, when you see a liberal using science to advance an idea...grab your wallet and your freedom and run.
07-16-2010, 10:52 AM #12
"Today's big Politico piece, by John Harris and Jim VandeiHei, "Why Obama loses by Winning", has been rightly dubbed by Jay Rosen as "an instant classic in Church of the Savvy lit." It truly is a marvel!
It begins with a willful misread-slash-hyperbolic reduction of a "widely read" Eric Alterman column (the authors enable this misread by skillfully denying their readers a link to the Alterman piece, which actually describes the structural conditions that have prevented President Barack Obama from enacting a full-blooded progressive agenda), which in turn allows them to make this silly case that even though Obama has managed to get major pieces of legislation through Congress, his presidency is a failure because it makes bloggers sad."
07-16-2010, 11:01 AM #13
His presidency will be a failure if the economy does not recover in a timely manner. End of story. Progressive legislation will not make him successful if there's no money to pay for his agenda. Any thing else his admin. accomplishes will be gravy, if he pulls that one off.
Iraq is not his victory. Afghanistan will only be his by a literal miracle."You damn colonials and your herds of tax write off dressage ponies". PNWBrit
07-16-2010, 11:27 AM #14
Iraq is no one's victory, and the sooner he gets out of afghanistan and slashes the military budget, the quicker the deficit will recover.
Jobs is always a definition of a presidency, can't escape it. What was Bush's total job loss - net 1,000,000?
Reagan's biggest victories came well after he was gone. Clinton's came while he was still in office. If obama has a second term, he will have victories while still in office.
07-16-2010, 11:29 AM #15
Difficult to say really.
If he'd succeeded most of you fuck wits would call it a failure anyway.
Can you repeat the question?
Iraq is a victory? Still? Yet? For how much longer? Was it worth it?
07-16-2010, 11:31 AM #16
Iraq, while not a traditional, to the victor goes the spoils win, was a victory. Saddam is gone. He murdered untold hundreds of thousands of his own citizens. There is a fairly stable gov't in place."You damn colonials and your herds of tax write off dressage ponies". PNWBrit
07-16-2010, 11:52 AM #17
Even without the jobs, if when Obama leaves there is 30 million more people with health care, less military failure for us around the world, a tough consumer protection industry, carbon caps on power plants, new jobs and infrastructure due to the stimulus, he will have his victory at some point. Just like FDR.
I still am in favor of more short term spending in infrastructure - rehab the top 50 busiest airports in the country and the whole FAA system - this needs to happen for our economy to improve. And make a new jet that needs half the gas. Get broadband everywhere, fix 5 major bridges in each state. REtrofit the gas station system for electric cars. Take a trillion to do that, create a million jobs, and have 50 years of payoff.
07-16-2010, 12:15 PM #18
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07-16-2010, 01:19 PM #21
You can bet Jimmy Carter is damn glad to see him come along.
07-16-2010, 01:50 PM #22
Not justifying the war, just stating a fact that was a stated goal (whether it was the primary goal only the admin. in power at the time knows for sure). I'm well aware of the shitty dictators around the world, and I don't want America playing the role of cop, out to save the planet."You damn colonials and your herds of tax write off dressage ponies". PNWBrit
07-16-2010, 03:06 PM #23
Obama is an astounding success. He promised to fundamentally transform the country. He has already done that. When the lame-duck session of congress rams through card check, and some form of cap n trade carbon tax, the government will own us all forever.
07-16-2010, 03:30 PM #24
Like I said, I am not sure he could of ever met my expectations without immediately withdrawing from both wars. If health care reform was such a big priority, it needed to offer a public option, because as it sits, it is a failed piece of legislature IMO. The TBTF financials should have been told to fuck off and the $800k in TARP money used to help everyday Americans and businesses survive and eventually thrive. There's more, but why bother.
07-16-2010, 03:44 PM #25
The two parties the same? You are fucking out to lunch. Yes, each party is concerned with getting re-elected and laid, not necessarily in that order. Yes, politicians generally suck. But the same? You're not even trying.
DBT- you'd rather have the bankers and oil companies own you as they did under Bush. I know, I know. You don't like Bush either and you'd prefer a system with no highways, police or public schools. See you in Namibia.