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06-01-2010, 10:21 PM #1
What happens when left wingers take over oil companies?
Oh, and giant oil spills.
BP has a decade-long track record of advocating and taking precautionary action to address climate change
Climate change is a major global issue – one which justifies precautionary action in pursuit of a long-term goal along with a programme of action to deliver it.
BP believes both governments and industry need to play their parts in achieving such a goal: governments by setting an appropriate policy framework and companies by investing within that framework to deliver a sustainable energy mix. The scale of change required can only be achieved through policy-makers acting to provide a clear, stable framework for investment.
In particular, we support a price for carbon, on the basis that there will continue to be great uncertainty in planning and making investments in low-carbon solutions, until consumers and producers recognize and pay a carbon price. We believe this price should treat all carbon equally, whether it comes out of a smokestack or a tailpipe.
We believe carbon pricing will make energy conservation more attractive and alternative energy more cost competitive. It will allow informed investment in fossil fuels while encouraging investment in the technology necessary to reduce the carbon they produce. In our view, carbon pricing is most effective when achieved through ‘cap-and-trade’ systems in which emissions are capped and participants trade emissions allowances.
I'm sooooooo glad that this happened to BP, if it had to happen to someone. BP took their eye off the ball and tried to suck up to governments for profits instead of fighting the bastards. They should have been educating their customers about the GW scam, not getting into bed with the climate criminals. "Beyond Petrolium" HA! Fuck'em. They deserve to go DOWN!!
06-01-2010, 10:25 PM #2
I'll let you in on our secret. When we take over the oil companies you are only going to be able to drive a gay electric car and Al Gore will become the richest man alive.
06-01-2010, 10:26 PM #3
ridiculous generalizations make so much senseBest Skier on the Mountain
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06-01-2010, 10:28 PM #4features a sintered base
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You're so deluded I rarely bother with you anymore, but every now and then I get pulled back in.
You're confusing left wingers controlling oil companies (a fiction, and what you posted was stupid BP advertising propaganda no thinking person ever believed) with oil companies being allowed to write their own regulations and a lack of government oversight--which leads to oil spills and other environmental disasters. Without tough government regulation and real enforcement (which people like you still bitch about, bizarrely, despite constantly being shown that it is necessary) we end up with clusterfucks like the current one.
If it weren't for the government jumping all over BP (too late, unfortunately) they'd be doing the absolute minimum, while putting money into PR and trying to sweep this all under the rug. So much for the free market policing itself...[quote][//quote]
06-01-2010, 10:44 PM #5
Dex, what good are government regulations when everyone knows the government is incompetent at enforcing their own regulations. One disaster after another happen in the MOST regulated industries in America.
This is NOT a free market failure as much as you wish it were. It's a failure of government regulation...again.
Imagine deep water drilling with no government regulation and no government safety net for the oil company.
The market would supply the regulation. For example, who would insure that deep water rig and the potential problems associated with it? No one, unless they were filling the role of regulator as part of the deal. And I guarrantee, if the insurance company knew there was no government regulation, they'd do the job and not fuck it up.
BY the way, the US Government owns 1/2 the land in the western US and most of Alaska. On most of that land, they don't allow drilling. If we were tapping our shallow water and dry land reserves, would we even need to drill in deep water? Just sayin'.
06-01-2010, 10:50 PM #6features a sintered base
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Government is only incompetent at regulating when it is made so by opponents of government who get themselves elected to run--the government. It was thanks to government regulation following the Great Depression that we were able to eliminate depressions for 60+ years--until opponents of regulation got their way and gave us our recent depression.
Now you want us to take the word of oil companies that they can safely drill in places like ANWAR? When they told us they could safely drill in the gulf? You really don't see a problem there?
Your ridiculous fantasies about the private sector policing negative externalities get more far fetched every day--even Adam Smith conceded that such thinking was foolish.[quote][//quote]
06-02-2010, 03:03 AM #7Registered User
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pretty creepy that someone would take some sort of pleasure in this
06-02-2010, 06:45 AM #8gunit130 Guest
06-02-2010, 08:07 AM #9
It's the enviromentalists fault. If they hadn't pushed BP so far off shore and in such deep water then BP would have been able to fix the leak right away. Damn environmentalists, when will they stop raping the environment and get on board with BP and other oil companies environmental ethic. For God's sake BP's logo is green! That right there tells you they do everything in their power to protect the environment not to mention their commericals during the Sunday morning news shows.
Imagine the benefits to the coastal state's tourism economy if the that annoying bright sunlight couldn't blind the sunbathers because of the massive oil rig. And who doesn't enjoy the scent of oil in the air. If a spill were to occur imagine how much easier it would be to clean up the mess. No boats necessary to drag those flimsy expensive oil booms as all we'd need is a shovel to scrap up the oil off the beaches and who cares about the oil in the coastal marsh wetlands since the vegetation will mask it from our view."It's not that she said anything that wasn't true, it's that what she did say has almost no relation to the truth." - Rubicon
"To me, believing that God will drop a giant building on Greenland is no more bat shit crazy than thinking the US government can run the healthcare industry or properly regulate the financial industry" - Downbound Train
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06-02-2010, 08:32 AM #12
DBT: You are a douchebag at the level of G. Beck or M. Savage. Anyone who sees an upside in this tragic event, or finds something to celebrate about this oil spill, is a full asshole, full stop. There is something fundamentally wrong with you as a human being.
06-02-2010, 08:34 AM #13
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06-02-2010, 09:07 AM #15
BP is an oil company that:
#1. Markets to stupid enviro-feelgooders while "raping" the earth just like all the rest of the oil companies. They are no "greener" than any other oil company. Obviously they are much less green now aren't they. Maybe they shoulda walked the walk not just talked the talk.
#2. Makes a big deal out of the "green" side of the energy business when the market doesn't want or need it. The market doesn't provide money for "green" energy. The only money BP stands to make off solar, bio, wind is if they can steal it from the American economy through Cap & Trade. Talk about business being in bed with government!!!! Companies like BP are the enemy of our way of life every bit as much as Osama Bin Laden. Fuck'em.
06-02-2010, 09:28 AM #16The market would supply the regulation. For example, who would insure that deep water rig and the potential problems associated with it? No one, unless they were filling the role of regulator as part of the deal. And I guarrantee, if the insurance company knew there was no government regulation, they'd do the job and not fuck it up.
BY the way, the US Government owns 1/2 the land in the western US and most of Alaska. On most of that land, they don't allow drilling. If we were tapping our shallow water and dry land reserves, would we even need to drill in deep water? Just sayin'.looking for a good book? check out mine! as fast as it is gone
06-02-2010, 09:32 AM #17
Dbt. Google shell oil spill and Nigeria to find out what happens when companies are given free reighn. And then stfu
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06-02-2010, 10:23 AM #19
Is there a SINGLE thread where DBT doesn't end up proving himself to be a clueless, parroting moron?
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06-02-2010, 11:33 AM #22
To me the oil industry mirrors the tobacco industry in a couple of respects. Both industries only endeavor for more socially or environmentally acceptable practices when they are forced to by some huge lawsuit.
Thinking that the oil industry would self-regulate themselves in an environmentally friendly way is akin to thinking that the tobacco industry would voluntarily take steps to minimize the use of tobacco use in future generations.
Such thoughts of benovelent self-regulation is an earmark of the faulty logic of the "Free-Marketeers". Get this: There is NO beneficial self-regulation in a free market....there never has been. The last thing the "free-marketeers" want is regulation...either by self or from outside. They don't want any regulation that has the potential to decrease the bottom line, and they'll whine and lobby and pay-off until any such regulation is minimized.
So since the corporate world is basically comprised of an ethos that despises regulation of any kind, that means their greedy asses must be regulated by outside forces...yes, that means governmental regulation.
This oil spill in the gulf is a result of NOT ENOUGH regulation...(like prohibiting mile-deep wellheads and requiring Remote Shutoff Devices like they do in the North Sea), it is NOT a result of too much regulation!!
How someone could get those simple principles so mixed up is beyond me.
How would the "lefties" run the oil industry? Well, right now, we are witnessing what happens when the fucking 'righties' are in charge of an industry. We are witnessing the effects when those 'righties' pay-off equally crooked agency officials, and continually lobby for less and less regulation of their industry. So, I would say it would probably be run a hell lot better than it is now. It might even be run with at least a little bit of honesty and ethics, not that 'lefties' have that market cornered, either.
06-02-2010, 11:46 AM #23
They happen to not have a very good record on safety, and you're a still a puppet and a whore.No longer stuck.
06-02-2010, 11:46 AM #24
I LOVE it!! Where'd you get it?
I would love to make a bumper-sticker out of it!! It would sorta be an antidote to those McCain-Palin bumper stickers that I still see around and the even more sun-bleached 'W04" stickers I still see form time to time.
06-02-2010, 12:03 PM #25