Thread: What happens when left wingers take over oil companies?

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

It's about hypocracy of greenies. It's about the failure of regulators.

Greenies + Government = FAILURE.

Ya, right. Greenies + Gov = Failure.

That's odd, I don't remember any talk about greenies causing the mess in the Gulf. Greedy oil executives, perhaps....but greenies???

How about:

Downbound + keyboard = Pure Bullshit.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

It's about hypocracy of greenies. It's about the failure of regulators.

Greenies + Government = FAILURE.

Ok, I think I get it now:
Greenies infiltrated the government by way of liberals who have their heads up their asses. Once in the government, the greenies were able to regulate BP, and mold BP into a pseudo environmental giant through government regulations. Unfortunately, the hippy regulators were hypocrites and didn't actually love the environment. Because the greenies act like they love the environment but actually hate it, they forced BP to negligently drill wells and poop all over the atlantic. If BP had been able to self regulate, its insurance company would have forced it to be super careful and loving to the environment and the curent debacle never would have happened.

Thus:
BP + Insurance Company - (The Incredible Hulk + Government) = Environmental Butt Sex

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...er-delta-shell

Nigeria's agony dwarfs the Gulf oil spill

That was the Niger delta a few years ago, where, according to Nigerian academics, writers and environment groups, oil companies have acted with such impunity and recklessness that much of the region has been devastated by leaks.

In fact, more oil is spilled from the delta's network of terminals, pipes, pumping stations and oil platforms every year than has been lost in the Gulf of Mexico, the site of a major ecological catastrophe caused by oil that has poured from a leak triggered by the explosion that wrecked BP's Deepwater Horizon rig last month.

On 1 May this year a ruptured ExxonMobil pipeline in the state of Akwa Ibom spilled more than a million gallons into the delta over seven days before the leak was stopped. Local people demonstrated against the company but say they were attacked by security guards. Community leaders are now demanding $1bn in compensation for the illness and loss of livelihood they suffered. Few expect they will succeed. In the meantime, thick balls of tar are being washed up along the coast.

Within days of the Ibeno spill, thousands of barrels of oil were spilled when the nearby Shell Trans Niger pipeline was attacked by rebels. A few days after that, a large oil slick was found floating on Lake Adibawa in Bayelsa state and another in Ogoniland. "We are faced with incessant oil spills from rusty pipes, some of which are 40 years old," said Bonny Otavie, a Bayelsa MP.

This point was backed by Williams Mkpa, a community leader in Ibeno: "Oil companies do not value our life; they want us to all die. In the past two years, we have experienced 10 oil spills and fishermen can no longer sustain their families. It is not tolerable."

With 606 oilfields, the Niger delta supplies 40% of all the crude the United States imports and is the world capital of oil pollution. Life expectancy in its rural communities, half of which have no access to clean water, has fallen to little more than 40 years over the past two generations. Locals blame the oil that pollutes their land and can scarcely believe the contrast with the steps taken by BP and the US government to try to stop the Gulf oil leak and to protect the Louisiana shoreline from pollution.

"If this Gulf accident had happened in Nigeria, neither the government nor the company would have paid much attention," said the writer Ben Ikari, a member of the Ogoni people. "This kind of spill happens all the time in the delta."

"The oil companies just ignore it. The lawmakers do not care and people must live with pollution daily. The situation is now worse than it was 30 years ago. Nothing is changing. When I see the efforts that are being made in the US I feel a great sense of sadness at the double standards. What they do in the US or in Europe is very different."

"We see frantic efforts being made to stop the spill in the US," said Nnimo Bassey, Nigerian head of Friends of the Earth International. "But in Nigeria, oil companies largely ignore their spills, cover them up and destroy people's livelihood and environments. The Gulf spill can be seen as a metaphor for what is happening daily in the oilfields of Nigeria and other parts of Africa.

It is impossible to know how much oil is spilled in the Niger delta each year because the companies and the government keep that secret. However, two major independent investigations over the past four years suggest that as much is spilled at sea, in the swamps and on land every year as has been lost in the Gulf of Mexico so far.

One report, compiled by WWF UK, the World Conservation Union and representatives from the Nigerian federal government and the Nigerian Conservation Foundation, calculated in 2006 that up to 1.5m tons of oil – 50 times the pollution unleashed in the Exxon Valdez tanker disaster in Alaska – has been spilled in the delta over the past half century. Last year Amnesty calculated that the equivalent of at least 9m barrels of oil was spilled and accused the oil companies of a human rights outrage.

According to Nigerian federal government figures, there were more than 7,000 spills between 1970 and 2000, and there are 2,000 official major spillages sites, many going back decades, with thousands of smaller ones still waiting to be cleared up. More than 1,000 spill cases have been filed against Shell alone.

Last month Shell admitted to spilling 14,000 tonnes of oil in 2009. The majority, said the company, was lost through two incidents – one in which the company claims that thieves damaged a wellhead at its Odidi field and another where militants bombed the Trans Escravos pipeline.

Shell, which works in partnership with the Nigerian government in the delta, says that 98% of all its oil spills are caused by vandalism, theft or sabotage by militants and only a minimal amount by deteriorating infrastructure. "We had 132 spills last year, as against 175 on average. Safety valves were vandalised; one pipe had 300 illegal taps. We found five explosive devices on one. Sometimes communities do not give us access to clean up the pollution because they can make more money from compensation," said a spokesman.

"We have a full-time oil spill response team. Last year we replaced 197 miles of pipeline and are using every known way to clean up pollution, including microbes. We are committed to cleaning up any spill as fast as possible as soon as and for whatever reason they occur."

These claims are hotly disputed by communities and environmental watchdog groups. They mostly blame the companies' vast network of rusting pipes and storage tanks, corroding pipelines, semi-derelict pumping stations and old wellheads, as well as tankers and vessels cleaning out tanks.

The scale of the pollution is mind-boggling. The government's national oil spill detection and response agency (Nosdra) says that between 1976 and 1996 alone, more than 2.4m barrels contaminated the environment. "Oil spills and the dumping of oil into waterways has been extensive, often poisoning drinking water and destroying vegetation. These incidents have become common due to the lack of laws and enforcement measures within the existing political regime," said a spokesman for Nosdra.

The sense of outrage is widespread. "There are more than 300 spills, major and minor, a year," said Bassey. "It happens all the year round. The whole environment is devastated. The latest revelations highlight the massive difference in the response to oil spills. In Nigeria, both companies and government have come to treat an extraordinary level of oil spills as the norm."

A spokesman for the Stakeholder Democracy Network in Lagos, which works to empower those in communities affected by the oil companies' activities, said: "The response to the spill in the United States should serve as a stiff reminder as to how far spill management in Nigeria has drifted from standards across the world."

Other voices of protest point out that the world has overlooked the scale of the environmental impact. Activist Ben Amunwa, of the London-based oil watch group Platform, said: "Deepwater Horizon may have exceed Exxon Valdez, but within a few years in Nigeria offshore spills from four locations dwarfed the scale of the Exxon Valdez disaster many times over. Estimates put spill volumes in the Niger delta among the worst on the planet, but they do not include the crude oil from waste water and gas flares. Companies such as Shell continue to avoid independent monitoring and keep key data secret."

Worse may be to come. One industry insider, who asked not to be named, said: "Major spills are likely to increase in the coming years as the industry strives to extract oil from increasingly remote and difficult terrains. Future supplies will be offshore, deeper and harder to work. When things go wrong, it will be harder to respond."

Judith Kimerling, a professor of law and policy at the City University of New York and author of Amazon Crude, a book about oil development in Ecuador, said: "Spills, leaks and deliberate discharges are happening in oilfields all over the world and very few people seem to care."

There is an overwhelming sense that the big oil companies act as if they are beyond the law. Bassey said: "What we conclude from the Gulf of Mexico pollution incident is that the oil companies are out of control.

"It is clear that BP has been blocking progressive legislation, both in the US and here. In Nigeria, they have been living above the law. They are now clearly a danger to the planet. The dangers of this happening again and again are high. They must be taken to the international court of justice."

It is an indication of how utterly absurd DBT's premise is, that the usual chorus of freemarketeers aren't chiming in to support his contention, that less regulation would make for less environmental damage by polluting industries.

it's called GREENWASHING

Everybody does it, and it doesn't make you green.

When we take over the energy sector, oil companies will further diversify and continue to profit a la philip morris. But they won't be selling oil.

On carbon pricing...get a clue and travel outside the US sometime. You have no idea of what goes on in the rest of the world.

You still probably can't get it up half the time...and still don't know shit about science.

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Originally Posted by nutcase

Dbt. Google shell oil spill and Nigeria to find out what happens when companies are given free reighn. And then stfu

I tss pel led "rane" dum bass.

Originally Posted by shaft

it's called GREENWASHING

DING DING DING.
you win a copy of our take home game.

DBT, you're a tool in the most literal sense of the word. A whore, a puppet and a tool. I'd get mad, but it's not your fault, the fact retaining and memory part of your brain is clearly on the fritz.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

It's about hypocracy of greenies. It's about the failure of regulators.

Greenies + Government = FAILURE.

What does unbridled corporate ownership of government = ?

Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

I'd get mad, but it's not your fault, the fact retaining and memory part of your brain is clearly on the fritz.

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Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

DING DING DING.
you win a copy of our take home game.

DBT, you're a tool in the most literal sense of the word. A whore, a puppet and a tool. I'd get mad, but it's not your fault, the fact retaining and memory part of your brain is clearly on the fritz.

Let me get this straight. Beynd Petrolium, and others, use marketing to manipulate the left into believing they are "green" (the right doesn't give a fuck) and lines up with Al Gore and the eco-warming nuts on the left to hatch a religion called global warming to manipulate the lemming left into a scheme called Cap & Trade that will pour literally Trillions of American tax dollars into the pockets of said eco-warmists and Oil Companies and I,M the whore-puppet-tool?

You left wing dunces have been played like violins all along? You let conservative republican oil executives come this close (.) to raiding the US treasury by using the Trojan Horse of environmentalism to dupe you into giving them trillions through Cap & Trade? WOW! Those republicans are smarter than you thought!!!

Originally Posted by Jer

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Jer, I never thought I'd say this to you, but put down the "O" before you post.

Originally Posted by splat

What does unbridled corporate ownership of government = ?

Originally Posted by mtskier

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...er-delta-shell

Splat the answer to your rhetorical question is ^^^this, along with the stifling of innovation and real choice by big oil through lobbying and squeezing out of new energy technology through dollars, sheer size, and economic clout/bullying/misdirection/lying.





Corporate US is making slaves of you all...and DTB is cheering his own corporate enslavement. He seems to think that in a "Free Market" Corporatocracy that he would be one of the "have's"; he is sorely mistaken. The "have's" don't like to share, particularly with the "have not's", of which DBT is one.

In reality, DBT (in his position as a "have not") is enslaving himself to corporations where he can vote with his meager dollars (in a system where the "have's" get more say than the "have not's" because they get more votes ie. they have vastly more money), while at the same time he is diminishing the real power in the inherent equality of "one person, one vote."

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

Let me get this straight. Beynd Petrolium, and others, use marketing to manipulate the left into believing they are "green" (the right doesn't give a fuck) and lines up with Al Gore and the eco-warming nuts on the left to hatch a religion called global warming to manipulate the lemming left into a scheme called Cap & Trade that will pour literally Trillions of American tax dollars into the pockets of said eco-warmists and Oil Companies and I,M the whore-puppet-tool?

You left wing dunces have been played like violins all along? You let conservative republican oil executives come this close (.) to raiding the US treasury by using the Trojan Horse of environmentalism to dupe you into giving them trillions through Cap & Trade? WOW! Those republicans are smarter than you thought!!!

He's never even heard of greenwashing.

Cap and Trade is something developed by investment banks to try to show they have some kind of easy to understand social purpose (if much of any at all), all while making a ton of money and helping the coal industry.

So I guess there's one thing we agree on, but for different reasons. See, some of us live in the real world with shades of gray.

Originally Posted by iscariot

Corporate US is making slaves of you all...and DTB is cheering his own corporate enslavement. He seems to think that in a "Free Market" Corporatocracy that he would be one of the "have's"; he is sorely mistaken. The "have's" don't like to share, particularly with the "have not's", of which DBT is one.

In reality, DBT (in his position as a "have not") is enslaving himself to corporations where he can vote with his meager dollars (in a system where the "have's" get more say than the "have not's" because they get more votes ie. they have vastly more money), while at the same time he is diminishing the real power in the inherent equality of "one person, one vote."

You seem to think I like freedom because it will benefit my selfish needs. You are projecting your greedy wanting morality onto me. I'm for individual freedom because it is morally right. If I sink or swim in that system I only have myself to blame.

What do I care if people like you define me or anyone else as a "have" or "have not". I have what I deservr to have (less taxes) no more no less. I don't look to government to level the playing field for me cuz I'm not a giant greedy pussy coveting the fruits of other peoples efforts.

What does the world you desire look like? All are equal like in China? No Wait. All are equal like in the old USSR? Uhh. The system inwhich there are no "haves" and "have nots" does not and CAN NOT exist. The only difference is that in your world, you want a political royalty to be the haves. You want to be the subject of the political class.

Is it that you think YOU will have a better chance in THAT system because you don't want to compete in the free world?

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

You seem to think I like freedom because it will benefit my selfish needs. You are projecting your greedy wanting morality onto me. I'm for individual freedom because it is morally right. If I sink or swim in that system I only have myself to blame.

What do I care if people like you define me or anyone else as a "have" or "have not". I have what I deservr to have (less taxes) no more no less. I don't look to government to level the playing field for me cuz I'm not a giant greedy pussy coveting the fruits of other peoples efforts.

What does the world you desire look like? All are equal like in China? No Wait. All are equal like in the old USSR? Uhh. The system inwhich there are no "haves" and "have nots" does not and CAN NOT exist. The only difference is that in your world, you want a political royalty to be the haves. You want to be the subject of the political class.

Is it that you think YOU will have a better chance in THAT system because you don't want to compete in the free world?

Wrong.

In both my ideal system, and in the actual systems of many countries around the planet, people look out for each other as nations. People realize that they are not in it all alone, they realize that in order to be a civilized nation you need to concern yourself with the whole nation, not just your petty personal needs.

In order to better function as a human race, we all need to be concerned with the existence, health, and well being of all humanity. In order to achieve this concept, let's call it "civilization", nations vote in governments that help organize efforts toward these goals and that can pool resources like no other force on the planet. The US is one of the only nations that would rather leave its people to corporate slavery in order to protect the system of "free market" capitalism (better characterized by the word corporatocracy).

I think the big difference between you and me is that you are not willing to give up any of what you have so that others may be lifted out of poverty and suffering due to circumstance beyond their control, effort, or choosing. I am willing to do that, and I am willing to use the resource pooling capabilities of my government to accomplish it, for the betterment of those less fortunate then me.

The reason we don't live in your version of the country/world is because no one really wants it. Everyone else, with the exception of you and maybe your fellow teabaggers it would seem, realizes that your version of the world would have corporations ruling and treating everything and everyone as they do in third world countries (see Somalia, Nigeria, etc etc etc as examples of the behavior of oil companies in undeveloped and third world countries).

I don't want the system I'm talking about because it will benefit me, or because I will do better in it. I want the system I am taking about because it will because it will benefit many others in my country and around the world, those who don't have what I have because I had the fortune to have been born where I was born, and in a reasonable circumstance.

Clearly you see yourself as an island in an unfair world trying to take everything away from you, and I see myself as a part of a world where the idea is to do what you can as a person, nation, country, and human for the betterment and benefit of all humanity and the planet on which we depend for life.



I can't believe the troll sucked me with his utter stupidity once again...

Originally Posted by iscariot

Wrong.

In both my ideal system, and in the actual systems of many countries around the planet, people look out for each other as nations. People realize that they are not in it all alone, they realize that in order to be a civilized nation you need to concern yourself with the whole nation, not just your petty personal needs.

In order to better function as a human race, we all need to be concerned with the existence, health, and well being of all humanity. In order to achieve this concept, let's call it "civilization", nations vote in governments that help organize efforts toward these goals and that can pool resources like no other force on the planet. The US is one of the only nations that would rather leave its people to corporate slavery in order to protect the system of "free market" capitalism (better characterized by the word corporatocracy).

I think the big difference between you and me is that you are not willing to give up any of what you have so that others may be lifted out of poverty and suffering due to circumstance beyond their control, effort, or choosing. I am willing to do that, and I am willing to use the resource pooling capabilities of my government to accomplish it, for the betterment of those less fortunate then me.

The reason we don't live in your version of the country/world is because no one really wants it. Everyone else, with the exception of you and maybe your fellow teabaggers it would seem, realizes that your version of the world would have corporations ruling and treating everything and everyone as they do in third world countries (see Somalia, Nigeria, etc etc etc as examples of the behavior of oil companies in undeveloped and third world countries).

I don't want the system I'm talking about because it will benefit me, or because I will do better in it. I want the system I am taking about because it will because it will benefit many others in my country and around the world, those who don't have what I have because I had the fortune to have been born where I was born, and in a reasonable circumstance.

Clearly you see yourself as an island in an unfair world trying to take everything away from you, and I see myself as a part of a world where the idea is to do what you can as a person, nation, country, and human for the betterment and benefit of all humanity and the planet on which we depend for life.



I can't believe the troll sucked me with his utter stupidity once again...

Hugo says you need to stop playiarizing his speeches.

Seriously guys- stop feeding the troll. Nobody can actually be this fucking stupid

Originally Posted by skiballs

Hugo says you need to stop playiarizing his speeches.

I didn't know that Hugo Harrison said this first.

Originally Posted by iscariot

I didn't know that Hugo Harrison said this first.

Not only that, but he said the entire thing while in the air. It was a pretty big cliff.

Originally Posted by iscariot

I can't believe the troll sucked me with his utter stupidity once again...

We aren't all that different, we just have different boogiemen.

Originally Posted by nutcase

Seriously guys- stop feeding the troll. Nobody can actually be this fucking stupid

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Originally Posted by Downbound Train

You seem to think I like freedom because it will benefit my selfish needs. You are projecting your greedy wanting morality onto me. I'm for individual freedom because it is morally right. If I sink or swim in that system I only have myself to blame.

What do I care if people like you define me or anyone else as a "have" or "have not". I have what I deservr to have (less taxes) no more no less. I don't look to government to level the playing field for me cuz I'm not a giant greedy pussy coveting the fruits of other peoples efforts.

What does the world you desire look like? All are equal like in China? No Wait. All are equal like in the old USSR? Uhh. The system inwhich there are no "haves" and "have nots" does not and CAN NOT exist. The only difference is that in your world, you want a political royalty to be the haves. You want to be the subject of the political class.

Is it that you think YOU will have a better chance in THAT system because you don't want to compete in the free world?

Yeah, it's because I'm selfish. You're so disconnected from reality you don't know what your needs are. How do you like corporate indentured servitude? Puppet.
I guess somehow you think other people's lives an actions have no effect on you, but guess what? you're wrong about that too. Rupert Murdoc has pimped you out to be his corporate whore, and Glenn Beck's hand is so far up your own ass, he moves your mouth for you, which makes you a puppet.

DBT's trolls are getting pretty boring... yawn... do something funny!