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03-25-2010, 03:45 PM #76
03-25-2010, 03:46 PM #77
Damn, my spelling was rough on that one.
03-25-2010, 03:50 PM #78
Yeah, they don't like hurricanes too much. I remember when I was shopping for homes, and all my buddies in the northeast and NC and out west were paying less than 1K for their insurance. I was a little shocked to find out I was going to be in the $5k region. Mix that with having to send my kids to private schools, and the allure of no state income tax fade quickly.
03-25-2010, 05:03 PM #79Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that
03-25-2010, 06:20 PM #80
It's all good-
I stay out of PolyAss, mostly because of the counterproductive name calling.
I just have some daily exposure to the reality of this shit. Getting away from the politics and all, and just looking at what we are in store for.
All the folks saying- yay we have health insurance! are in for a bit of a rude awakening.
Hope I am 90% wrong, but it is not looking good at this point.
03-25-2010, 06:45 PM #81
03-25-2010, 08:16 PM #82
Obama Campaign Promise
When do I get to watch this healthcare debate on CSPAN as promised?
The messiah wouldn't have lied just to get elected now would he?
03-25-2010, 09:52 PM #83Registered User
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- Sep 2008
And your example is ludicrous. The government does not mandate that anybody attend college--much less take a student loan. I, along with everyone else, will now be required to have a defined, minimum coverage under a health insurance policy. Otherwise, we are hit with a penalty.
Example: Jon Do is a single professional making 250k/year, and he does not have minimum coverage. Based on his income, and employing the formula found in the legislation, a "silver" plan is deemed affordable. Thus, he is not entitled to the insurance coverage credit. Jon's tax accountant prepares his return, and disregarding the penalty, Jon owes the IRS 10k. But the accountant must report that Jon does not have minimum coverage-at the risk of being fined himself. When that is computed, Jon owes an additional $2,250.
In other words, this is not a matter of conditional spending under the taxing and spending clause (such as the seat-belt example). Congress is not threatening to withhold largesse to which you might otherwise be entitled. They are threatening to take something from you that is not theirs.
Nor is this an application of the commerce clause; at least not as the power under that clause has been traditionally understood. As other posters here have acknowledged, in order to justify this mandate under the commerce clause, the Supreme Court would have to substantially expand the doctrine to allow congress to force individuals to participate in interstate commerce--rather than regulate individuals or entities who choose to engage in interstate commerce. E.g., Filburn would not have been regulated if he did not choose to grow wheat.
There is an argument to support your position (in regards to constitutionality), but you're not making it. It still would require, in my opinion, an expansion of the commerce clause--especially post-Lopez. And I don't know if the current court will allow it. But that's merely my opinion. I'm not a constitutional scholar.
03-25-2010, 10:38 PM #84
03-25-2010, 11:46 PM #85
Watch Obama Debate Healthcare Today On C-Span
Thursday, February 25, 2010; 4:46 AM
President Obama is going to debate the Republican detractors of his healthcare reform proposals at the big healthcare summit in Washington today. (Democratic Congressional leaders will be in attendance as well). This is not a closed-door meeting. Far from it, Obama wants to put the opponents of his healthcare plans on display in front of the American people? But who is going to be watching C-Span or CNN or Fox at 10 AM (Eastern Standard Time) in the morning. We're all supposed to be working. And frankly, healthcare debates put most people to sleep. But if you want to secretly slack off and even throw some questions to the politicians at the healthcare summit, you can watch it live from your computer on YouTube's CitiizenTubeSpeaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, Minority Leader John Boehner, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will answer select questions submitted via Google Moderator at the end of the summit. No, Obama won't be answering questions from CitizenTubers. He already did that after his State of the Union. This time, he's got to get back to work.pmiP triD remroF
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03-26-2010, 12:00 AM #86Leave No Turn Unstoned!