Thread: Full Tilt tongues

So my First Chairs came in the other day, an I'm looking to play around with tongues a bit. Found a place online (Porters) that has some in stock, but they have the bumblebee pro 6 tongue with the dual density part in the middle.. my question is how much does that affect the flex? Is a 6 with the dual density the same as an 8? They also have a konflict pro tongue on there that has the dual density on it, but with no number rating. It's a white/ camo tongue.. have the konflicts always been an 8?

Thanks!

flex 6 = flex 6, color doesn't matter

camo was either 4 or 8, that year the konflickts came with both 4 & 8 tongues, both in white camo.

Not asking about the color differences, but what appears to be two different kinds/ a thicker layer of plastic in the middle part of the tongue:

same, just different colors in different parts.

same duromiter, just different colors added at molding.

will feel the same

I'm not really sure what your looking for... You say play around with different tongues, but do you not like the 10 on the first chair? What are you looking for in your boot? What skiing style are you? Are you looking for park, all/big mountain, powder, ect?

I have skied the 6, 8, 9 and 10. I currently rock the BB 6 (the pic above) and the 8. The 10 was more than I was looking for, I spent a day on them and didn't feel my light ass, poor technique could drive the ski as well as the 8 I use. I am 5'11" 155-165 depending on season and conditioning. I like the 6 for the smooth flex feel and I'm still able to drive a ski with that tongue (not as responsive as others but the trade off is so nice). I also feel with this tongue (6) I don't get hammered when I'm lazy and the dual density/flex doesn't smash my shin. I like the 8 because it has a more solid feel to the boot. I am able to lean more on the tongue and get a better response in the ski. The 8 and 9 were very similar to me so I dumped the 9 because I felt I could get over the boot easier with the 8 (just more control for me).

Disclaimer: I taught my self how to ski at 15 and have no technical background, my experience is all on feel and what feels right for me. These two tongues work well for me, were I can switch them out for my mood or objective for the day (they're also not so far different, that if I want one and only have the other, it doesn't change my mind set for the day... once skiing, all this flex stuff is forgotten when snow is blowing in your face and high fives are being dished out).

EMR- not sure if I like the 10 flex yet, I haven't gotten the chance to ski on it yet, but from flexing them in my ~60 deg house they're pretty stiff, and like you I'd like to be able to change out the tongues depending on my mood that day. I'd definitely want the stiffness of the 10 on certain days, but if I'm going to be playing in the bumps a lot, then I'd like to swap out for something a bit softer... The flex adjustment is one of the main reasons I got this boot in the first place. I'm not a super agressive skier (cliff huckers), at least not yet, but I'm definitely not a slow poke either.. I think I'd be about a 7. I'm 5'10 and weigh around 170-180. As far as where I ski- I'm jealous as fuck of you guys out west/ up in VT- I live in VA, and ski whereever I can. So all mountain around here really doesn't mean too much. Mainly groomers/ bumps with a couple tree skiing days thrown in. While we had a couple powder days this past season, that's a rarity and usually it's the typical east coast ice. I take runs through the parks to hit the jumps, but not interested in rails- I like having edges. I wasn't able to get out of the Mideast this winter, but hopefully next year I'll be able to make a couple trips up north/ out west.

Skiied 8 and 10. 10 was good for groomer but 8 seemed better in pow. Still figuring it out but forward flex on 10's took a lot of work-
175 lb and driving 191 Lhasa

I went from 4 to 8s... I think the 8s are perfect. 200# 6'. Instead of the yellow bb tongues... my boots are "murdered out"

get the tongues off the fulltilt website.... $40

Just looking over old posts. I am waiting for a pair of Full Tilt First Chair's in the mail. They come with a #10 tongue, which I will definetely ski with first to get a good feel for them. But I was wondering what is a good 2nd tongue to get? I am debating on 6 or 8's.

thanks

Well what's your intention for the second tongue? Can't really answer your question without knowing what your plan is. If you're asking if a #8 and a #10 are different "enough" the answer is yes.

Yeah, I guess I was thinking of a second tongue for days that are shit cold, days that are a few away from fresh snow lots of bumps everywhere. Something that offers a slightly softer flex? To be honest I am not sure what else, I have only had 1 pair of boots in the past and never had a "adjustable" boot before, so I guess my first question was really a shot in the dark question.

Not sure if it matters but 6'2", 195lbs, old boots Lange Banshee Pro's

i like the 6's cold/lazy days and the 8's for everything else. im not a very big guy, so the 10's are quite stiff for me

Go with the 8. i have a pair of flexons with the red world cup tounge (10+) and as a big guy it serves me wel on days i feel like ripping. i have a pair of 8's i use every now and then and the feel very similar to a dalbello krypton c flex tounge.

You're a bigger guy than me (I'm 175 lbs.). I ski 10, 8, and 6. I don't find the 10 to be rock stiff unless its really cold out. The 8 is a pretty good "medium" tongue. The 6 can easily be overpowered by a lot of guys. I also look at it as a cold/lazy days tongue.

Does anyone find these tongues have to be replaced often? I've put about 150 days on mine since Jan '08. About half way through that (70-80days), I started losing control of my skis and felt like my knees were about to hit my skis with a 6-flex and boots cranked down. I replaced them with 6s again and they were as good as new. Now, a couple years later, I feel like I'm starting to lose control again and am looking at the tongues. I'm only 155lbs and find the 6s great when new, although I think i might try an 8-flew this time.

Does anyone else find their tongues softening up significantly?

I tour on them quite a bit (50% of my ski days) with the lowest buckle secure so my heel doesn't move much while skinning. I leave the top 2 buckles undone so my shins can move forward, it's basically my walk-mode. I love them for touring but I wonder if the touring is flexing the tongue and wearing it down.

Anyone with similar experiences?

I've never noticed that the tongues soften with use, but I've cracked quite a few of the older Flexon tongues. Have you checked your tongues really carefully for cracks?

Been skiing 8's and see no reason to go back to 10's - hell, Seth's new boot comes with 8's now

I went from the 10 to the 8, and really don't plan on going back. 8 is perfect for the way I ski. 5'11 170 lbs

I love my 10s, 6'1 155lbs.

I have two pair of older #6 tongues, and one pair of all-yellow tongues (#8?) sitting around, if anyone wants them.

Yours for the cost of shipping. PM me and I can send pictures.

Originally Posted by Wild4umlauts

I've never noticed that the tongues soften with use, but I've cracked quite a few of the older Flexon tongues. Have you checked your tongues really carefully for cracks?

No cracks on the set i have on there now. I took them off and gave them a good look. Oh well. Fixing tongues and broken buckles are cheaper than new boots. Thanks for the reply.

I went from 6 to 12, but that was because of a thread in The Padded Room.