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    Sounds like final cut and gopro don't play nicely together. Atrain saying pretty much what I suspected.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atrain505 View Post
    All 720p 60p. You'll have to do a batch conform in cinema tools to 29.97 or 24fps (whatever your time line is) to get it to play at true slow motion or a similar type program, otherwise it just plays at normal speed, and if you just slow it down in final cut it will just double frames.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo View Post
    Sounds like final cut and gopro don't play nicely together. Atrain saying pretty much what I suspected.
    Transcoding is only necessary for 60fps footage. 1080p30fps from GoPro or ContourHD can be immediately used within FCP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unpossible View Post
    Transcoding is only necessary for 60fps footage. 1080p30fps from GoPro or ContourHD can be immediately used within FCP.
    Yeah but when you have a camera that shoots 60p, why would you NOT want to throw some smoove slo mo in there?


    That's actually one of the only things that's ever made me seriously consider a go pro camera.
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    I think I got slow-mo figured out. mp4 > mpegstreamclip > apple prores 422 > conform to 29.97 in cinema tools > import into FCP timeline






    Still could look better....

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    That looks much better.


    There's a certain amount of strobing you'll never get rid of with these things shooting on snow. They seem to up the shutter speed automatically to deal with crazy bright light (like a still camera). You could probably mess around with making some ND filters but that's kind of a hassle.
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    You guys have nailed it. One last pointer. Sometime in final cut when you are adjusting speeds or even sometimes as a default there is a check box called frame blending. Turn that shit off. You want each frame to be crisp and unique.

    Also depending on what you are using the footage for you may want to convert the footage in cinema tools only with copies...i.e. with the pro-res ones and not the originals, because once you convert to 29.97 there is no going back. Not that you ever really need to go back. But you might.

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    Has anyone had issues with the helmet cam falling off the chest mount after landing an air?
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    Well, I am pretty pleased so far. I am now realizing that I am not gonna get super crisp slow-mo without throwing down some serious coin on special software, but for how cheap and easy this setup has been so far I can't complain. Since I ski without poles anyway I think I am gonna be doing alot more hand-held. Its just so smooooth.




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    Nice looking video.

    Oh and nice porn stash

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian View Post
    Well, I am pretty pleased so far. I am now realizing that I am not gonna get super crisp slow-mo without throwing down some serious coin on special software, but for how cheap and easy this setup has been so far I can't complain. Since I ski without poles anyway I think I am gonna be doing alot more hand-held. Its just so smooooth.

    Well if you're going to just hold the thing, then you could spend that software money on a real damn camera too.

    Seriously though, just something like a handicam 1080 camcorder will give you manual controls and you can drop that shutter speed and get better iris control. At this point that's the only think keeping your slowmo from looking like butter. Atrain's gopro stuff is about the best I've seen. Without going back and looking at it all, I seem to remember it all being on NON sunny days. That's probably why it's a little smoother. The automatic settings don't speed up the shutter to deal with all the light.

    I'm assuming you saw the price of twixtor. That's the only program I know of that works worth a damn. I'm not paying for it either.
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    Something still looks a little odd to me. I stopped your vid a bunch and found a few of these frames. You see how there's kind of a split image there?


    That's a blended or interpreted frame ('ghosting' some people call it). That's what happens when your frame rates don't match up between clip and timeline. Editing programs will either blend frames or just make one up to fill in time gaps when there's a discrepency between the clip and the editing timeline.
    Or like I said before, sometimes editing programs have that set as a default for some reason and they'll blend frames even if there's no need to. If that's the case, you need to find that option and uncheck it.

    But something's definitely up. Either your clips aren't being interpreted as 29.97, they're not truly recorded as that, or it's just FCP having something stupid checked. If you figure out what it is, your motion will be smoother. It's pretty fucking pathetic that I can find this shit when just watching a video but I've done this stuff too much with my own footage.
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    Yeah, its weird. I usually turn frame-blending off, but in some cases with that last edit slow-mos actually looked better WITH frame-blending.


    If we actually get this snow tonight I can do some low-light testing tomorrow and see if its just the super bright sun that was fucking it up.

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    Back from my trip... got some pretty decent footage.

    First day [amaazing skiing] was almost a total [video] write off.

    My #1 thing I wish I'd known: Chill with the looking around/ tilting the head. It definitely takes a bit of thought to get smooth footage...

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    I've got a gripe. After using my GoPro for the second half of the season, I have found that it handles bright sun (on snow) very badly. I wish that there was a snap-on filter to shut down the light and gain some definition. The white balance gets BLOWN out and overloaded to the point of being useless. I know, I know, digital cameras handle the color white poorly, but I'm about to make a lens cover out of some goggles so that I can actually use it here in the sunny southwest. !
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    ^^ it's not white balance, it's exposure that does that. Are you using the standard or high def? I have the HD Gopro and have not had any issues with images getting blown (over exposed) out in bright light conditions. The VIO is really bad for that.

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    Mine is the HD GoPro. If it's sunny, everything goes solid white and featureless. All I can see are my ski tips windshield-wipering back and forth across a blank white surface... and the sound of the wind is the only way to tell that I'm actually moving.
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    There's something wrong with your unit Drop Cliffs. I've shot in bright light and not had that happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeLau View Post
    There's something wrong with your unit Drop Cliffs. I've shot in bright light and not had that happen
    Bright bluebird day + new snow + above tree line open bowls = ZERO definition! (blank white sheet)
    My GoPro needs sunglasses I think. All of the units that I have played with have this same problem in my experience. Nature of the beast.

    P.S.-There is no brighter sun exposure available anywhere than the San Juans mountains covered with snow btw..
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    That really sucks drop. I've only shot in winter sun and not directly into the sun in any event. See below. Shot in Jan on a SW facing slope

    [ame="http://www.vimeo.com/8434465"]Whistler Christmas ski 2009 on Vimeo[/ame]

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    excellent info on this thread, thanks

    here's 1 run from the Chest Mount
    this is the regular GoPro, not HD

    -very comfortable and much less vibration than the helmet mount for me
    also a fair bit easier to operate

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    Lighttower on 2 bowl through Lower Jacobs Ladder
    "Blackhole Sun" effect is rad!
    [ame="http://vimeo.com/8227027"]http://vimeo.com/8227027[/ame]
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeLau View Post
    That really sucks drop. I've only shot in winter sun and not directly into the sun in any event. See below. Shot in Jan on a SW facing slope

    not sure how to embed, but this is what happens with my go pro in sunlight, not terrible around trees, but that open bowl might as well be an ice skating rink.

    [ame="http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z59/leroymuthafunkinjenkins/?action=view&current=GOPR0007-1.flv"]GOPR0007-1.flv video by leroymuthafunkinjenkins - Photobucket[/ame]

    (ignore the funny conversation with the beater that was camping in the line and his friend, skiing starts at 1min)



    Maybe yours isn't bad because you're in canadia and the sun is lower in the sky?




    A snap on filter that worked would be sweet.



    Also, if final cut isn't good what software should I use to edit this stuff? I have a crappy computer and want something simple, easy, and preferably free, so I can cut and paste clips together.
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    Yeah my GoPro HD has the same problem in some situations in bright light as seen in some of this vid I just posted in another thread.

    [ame="http://vimeo.com/10485815"]Meadows 3-26-10 a fine day on Vimeo[/ame]

    Edit: oh yeah if you do watch it don't select HD as an option in vimeo as it jumps around a lot. I think that was another user error on my part regarding how I published it from Windows Live Movie Maker...I think

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    That's horrible klaus and Leroy. The white balance is totally blown out. The next time there's bright sun, I'll try shooting with the GoPro and Vholdr to see how they compare

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    ^Have you guys tried changing the EXPOSURE metering setting on the unit? Check the instructions and try changing the metering setting and see if it helps.

    - white balance has to do with color temperature
    - exposure is the amount of light it lets in

    The white balance looks fine, the exposure is what's blown out.

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