Thread: Ron Paul Wins CPAC Straw Poll

WASHINGTON - Rep. Ron Paul won the most support for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination in an unofficial straw poll of conservative activists attending an annual conference.

A libertarian from Texas who has railed against spending and the Federal Reserve, Paul won the Saturday contest at the Conservative Political Action Conference with 31 percent backing. He has sought the presidential nomination in the past and attracted a following among a segment of voters frustrated with Washington.

Participants cheered as their favored candidates' names were announced. Some members of the audience cheered while others booed loudly when event organizers announced Paul as the winner.

Paul spoke at the conference along with potential presidential candidates former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts and Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota. Romney won second with 22 percent, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin came in third with 7 percent and Pawlenty finished with 6 percent.

Fewer than a quarter of the 10,000 attendees participated in the balloting, an unscientific sampling that only offers bragging rights.

If Ron Paul runs again, I will reactivate my membership in the local Republican party, and give him my full support.

That's funny, I was just thinking that if Ron Paul becomes the Republican candidate, he becomes beholden to the Republican party, including all the lobbyists that give them money, and my interest in him will be greatly diminished.

He will have my vote again as long as he does not pick Palin as his VP (if he even gets that far).

I loved watching him in the GOP debates.

Come on guys, ron paul is an idiot.

Any idiot who says a lot of warm and fuzzy nice sounding things but an idiot none the less

Do you really want him in charge of our country?

Edit: I also feel kind of the same way about obama.

Originally Posted by Phill

Come on guys, ron paul is an idiot.

Any idiot who says a lot of warm and fuzzy nice sounding things but an idiot none the less

Do you really want him in charge of our country?

Edit: I also feel kind of the same way about obama.

The idiot who wants to follow the Constitution is my kind of idiot. You can be the biggest idiot in the world but if you follow the advice of the smartest guys ever, that'll work. We are not in need of origional thinkers. We need someone who can just follow the fucking playbook.

I'd vote for him again.

Originally Posted by Phill

Do you really want him in charge of our country?

Well, if it's him or Obama - yes.










*I hold very little hope that Paul, Kucinich or any other non-Empire chearleader will ever get that far.

Originally Posted by Phill

Come on guys, ron paul is an idiot.

Justify that statement. He's been proved right about the financial crisis, right about the war(s), right about the deficit, right about the destruction of our freedom and the Constitution...

Originally Posted by Spats

Justify that statement. He's been proved right about the financial crisis, right about the war(s), right about the deficit, right about the destruction of our freedom and the Constitution...

Spats, you are confused. Idiot is just another word for conservative. It has nothing to do with being smart or right. Duhhhhh.

Another Republican Presidential hopeful loses my vote.

Romney endorsed McCain today....

Originally Posted by Spats

Justify that statement. He's been proved right about the financial crisis, right about the war(s), right about the deficit, right about the destruction of our freedom and the Constitution...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyvkjSKMLw"]YouTube- Ron Paul: I don't believe in evolution[/ame]

For starters.

"I think we are at the point where I don't think anybody has the absolute truth on either side".

Sounds like an idiot for sure.

I love how you athiests are smarter than 2000 years of the accumulated wisdom of man kind. Where do you get the ego that allows you to believe the Founders were fools and Jesus and the Bible are fiction. The arrogance is astounding. Who the fuck are you?

DBS you are especially unbelievable. You are the first to rip anyone who makes decisions based on religious beliefs. Yet you are more influenced by religion and you make more political decisions on religious grounds than anyone else here.
Religion OWNS you. Let it go!

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

I love how you athiests are smarter than 2000 years of the accumulated wisdom of man kind. Where do you get the ego that allows you to believe the Founders were fools and Jesus and the Bible are fiction. The arrogance is astounding. Who the fuck are you?

DBS you are especially unbelievable. You are the first to rip anyone who makes decisions based on religious beliefs. Yet you are more influenced by religion and you make more political decisions on religious grounds than anyone else here.
Religion OWNS you. Let it go!

your sarcasometer is broken

it's pretty hard to vote based on religious beliefs, since all of our politicians claim to be Christian.

Also, religion has nothing to do with wisdom. In fact religion / belief in god (s) is the easy answer to the most important questions of humanity.

Who are the Americans through history who are considered to have great wisdom that don't acknowledge and even credit God?

Who are the people of great wisdom through out modern history who were not Religious men/women?

I don't know if there is a God but I do know that the greatest political system in the history of humanity is based on, and according to the founders requires, a religious ethic.

Have things gotten better or worse for America as we have drifted from the founders vision of a population informed by Christianity?

Representative Democracy is a Theology? Who knew?

Originally Posted by Phill

For starters.

Yet unlike the rest of his party, he knows the difference between believing something and MANDATING that the rest of the country practice it. Remember: he supports the legalization of drugs and prostitution, though he personally finds the practices abhorrent.

Apparently having principles strong enough to override personal beliefs is a foreign concept to most people.

DBT: You're floating in space. if the Founders had meant the US to be a theocracy, the words "God", "Jesus", or "Bible" would have appeared somewhere in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. They do not. (Also recall that "...under God" was not originally in the Pledge of Allegiance -- it was added in the 1950s.)

Originally Posted by Spats

DBT: You're floating in space. if the Founders had meant the US to be a theocracy, the words "God", "Jesus", or "Bible" would have appeared somewhere in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. They do not. (Also recall that "...under God" was not originally in the Pledge of Allegiance -- it was added in the 1950s.)

You sure about that?

I said - "I don't know if there is a God but I do know that the greatest political system in the history of humanity is based on, and according to the founders requires, a religious ethic."

Adams said- "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798

There are dozens of examples like this. They didn't want a theocracy but they knew that the population as a whole needed the guidance of Christianity to hold this experiment together.

Ron Paul is right about a hell of a lot. But he's also a crazy old windbag and he's totally wrong on alot of stuff. So I dunno. If he was on the ballot I'd have to really give that some thought.

He'd either be way better than any president we've had recently or he would destroy the country - but Reagan, Bush and Obama have pretty much destroyed the country already so...

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

There are dozens of examples like this. They didn't want a theocracy but they knew that the population as a whole needed the guidance of Christianity to hold this experiment together.

And dozens of examples of opinions that were contrary. What individuals of the time wrote about their opinions is irrelevant. The fact is that in the founding documents of our great nation these men that you consider to be so religious made sure not to use the word "god". This is because they all knew from experience that the church should be separate from the state.

Claiming that our moral fiber comes from religion is ludicrous. Religion is what has justified the lapses in moral reasoning that our nation has went through.

Oh, and dbt, you're a fucking idiot.

Originally Posted by doughboyshredder

And dozens of examples of opinions that were contrary. What individuals of the time wrote about their opinions is irrelevant. The fact is that in the founding documents of our great nation these men that you consider to be so religious made sure not to use the word "god". This is because they all knew from experience that the church should be separate from the state.

Claiming that our moral fiber comes from religion is ludicrous. Religion is what has justified the lapses in moral reasoning that our nation has went through.

Oh, and dbt, you're a fucking idiot.

Of course there is the Treaty of Tripoli - signed by Adams (a "founding father") that says "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"

But of course- DBT is a fucking idiot so whats the point

Originally Posted by Phill

Any idiot who says a lot of warm and fuzzy nice sounding things but an idiot none the less

What does he say that's warm and fuzzy? If you believe in Ron Paul, you'd have to be fully depressed regarding our current political state.