fulltilt 10/11

[mntlion]

SO the new boot is the fulltilt influence.

Full tilt original vs influence

99 vs 102 mm last

flex 10,8,6,4 vs 6, 4 only

2 F lean vs on only shims for Forward lean

12mm vs 3mm of upper cuff alignment

1846 vs 1891 g in a 27 shell

both have 18" rear cuff

14.5 vs 18.5 ramp angle

both have intuition liners

one boot size for ever 2 "sizes" (25.0 and 25.5 are the same shell) so 11 total shells (22-32) , vs 4 shells for 23-31 (so 23 to 25.5 are the same shell, 26.0 to 27.5 same, 28.0 to 29.5, and 30.0 to 31.5 are the same)

no parts change over (tongue, buckles, etc are not swapable from Ft to FTi)

CND retail on the FT ranges from $625 (seth) to $450 (classic) and all the FTi's are $400.

next year all the FT tongues are $50, all are black, and flexes 4,6, 8, 10 (9 gone) 4, or 6 only for FTi

The FTi shell distorts badly on the sides on flex, THis is a medium end (at best) boot, and is NOT a FT shape. Odds are it will sell well for big box stores, and for both customers, and fitters with low skills

[PowTron]

Thanks for the info, but what a disappointment...

I am so sick of companies only making crap, soft, bullshit boots for wide feet.

I was getting excited about the possibility of a Konflict type boot in a 100 to 102 last, but I guess I am back to square one?

[iscariot]

I remember in the 90's when Raichle started straying from their classic Flexon design into overlap and mid entry territory for gapers. The brand went away pretty quickly after that.

[marshalolson]

at least these boots are just licensed (roces??) don't remember.

[Daywalker]

I am officially butthurt about this announcement.

[Phall]

seconded the butthurt comment. I am thinking Salomon quest 12's, but FT's are and have been a dream for my hooves since they came to the shelves at the shop I worked at their first year.

[Sessiøn]

I died a little inside.

[mntlion]

marsh: ya, roces, same as the Jr adjustable boot that FT does...

bump for a size info sheet I have attached too.

[Wild4umlauts]

marsh: ya, roces, same as the Jr adjustable boot that FT does....

But I don't think the Roces version has the Intuition liner like the Growth Spurt from Full Tilt does. Pretty surprising to see an Intuition liner in a kids boot.

[Wild4umlauts]

Anyhow - I have to agree that the FTI boots were disappointing. mntlion didn't mention the super, super soft bootboard (I hesitate to call it a "board") they're using in them. All I could think of is all the fitting problems they will create every time your foot shifts a little.

[Wes Mantooth]

Thanks for the info, but what a disappointment...

I am so sick of companies only making crap, soft, bullshit boots for wide feet.

Apparently since I have a wide foot I don't require a stiff boot...

[single]

I am so sick of companies only making crap, soft, bullshit boots for wide feet.

Salomon? Tecnica? Maybe just punch some FT's?

[mntlion]

powtron:

salomon mission RS 12 is a good option, or the nordica sportmachine 120 too. both 102-104mm and 120 flex.

[Blanton]

Might be a dumb question, but are they not making the traditional boot anymore... I'm not following too well.

[PowTron]

powtron:

salomon mission RS 12 is a good option, or the nordica sportmachine 120 too. both 102-104mm and 120 flex.

I should have clarified...I actually HAVE Nordica Speedmachine 12's, and they do fit well.

I meant "a free flxing, no shin bang Full Tilt or Dalbello boot that fits my flintstone feet and monster calves" is what I was hoping for

[mntlion]

powtron: Oh, ya, nothing in 3 prt, sorry.
krypton, and a goot bootfitter is the best starting point.

Blanton: the list above I was comparing the 2, and both exist for next year

[coreyb]

I should have clarified...I actually HAVE Nordica Speedmachine 12's, and they do fit well.

I meant "a free flxing, no shin bang Full Tilt or Dalbello boot that fits my flintstone feet and monster calves" is what I was hoping for

i just ordered the dalbello blender... not a 120 flex but with a 103mm last and the 3-piece design i gotta try em out... also ordered the lange super blaster (102mm last) and i'm really hoping they fit well on my paddles (feet)

[smrsco]

Yeah, super lame. The new larger volume boots are just rebranded Roxa's.

http://www.roxa.com/products/free-ride/freesound/

[mntlion]

smrsco: good find

$200 EU bucks = $250 US or under $300 CND.

cheaper then the FTi.

[Damian Sanders]

Ouch. Just as they really start gaining traction this year, they go and dilute the brand.

I've seen more FT's on the hill this year than ever before. 90% of them on jibbers. Guess what? Every single one of those kids reads newschoolers.com to find out what's coold, and good. If NS.com pans these boots, they really won't sell to the jib market. This could turn out to be an expensive mistake on FT's part.

I don't see why they didn't just offer a slightly wider last lower boot, and just retain all the other parts.

Oh, and the all black tounges is lame.

[Damian Sanders]

See below for the funny:

http://www.newschoolers.com/web/foru...ead_id/522832/

so I found a company called Roxa who is copying Full Tilts designs.
To see them go here:
http://www.roxa.com/products/free-ride/freesound/

those are abviously direct copies of Full Tilts new wider lasted boot. The shells are exactly the same, all they did was change the color and liner. You have the Rodeo and the Freesound instead of the Booter and High Five.

How lame of them to stright up copy Full Tilts brand new design. And it was very disrespectful of them to rush the production so they could sell them for the past few years before full tilt was able to relese them.

It really bugs me when a company like full tilt who puts so much money, time and energy into R&D to bring new and inovative products designed with the newschool movement in mind, gets abused like this. Especially since the company in question, Roxa, is obviously not even a core company, with no ties to the freestyle or core market. I mean they also sell rental ice skates. This really bothers me since Roxa is selling those boots for € 200, (~$275) which is less then Full Tilt will probably sell them for.

We should all write to Roxa, and tell them how disapointed we are that they copied full tilts design and are attempting to undersell them.

[ncwskier.]

Ouch. Just as they really start gaining traction this year, they go and dilute the brand.

I've seen more FT's on the hill this year than ever before. 90% of them on jibbers. Guess what? Every single one of those kids reads newschoolers.com to find out what's coold, and good. If NS.com pans these boots, they really won't sell to the jib market. This could turn out to be an expensive mistake on FT's part.

I don't see why they didn't just offer a slightly wider last lower boot, and just retain all the other parts.

Oh, and the all black tounges is lame.

kids on NS will buy what ever tom wallisch uses, thats the issue. I personally know 3 kids who own FT booters that dont fit them in anyway and they only bought them to look cool. FT is still gonna move a shit load of product next season though thanks to Wallisch's pro modle with that ugly as shit cable cover.

[DRZ1050i]

add me to the butthurt list... I don't understand why FT couldn't have just made their regular model wider, keeping everything else the same... would think that way would be cheaper for them too, rather than have to design- or acquire from Roxa- a completely different mold/ buckles/ etc.

[Wild4umlauts]

Color me very confused too. Do the molds cost that much to build that they couldn't have just gone with a slightly wider last and have everything else the same? This one's really gonna come back and bite 'em on the ass.

[single]

Do the molds cost that much to build that they couldn't have just gone with a slightly wider last and have everything else the same?

Molds for ski boots are very, very, very expensive. We are talking well into the 6 digits, way more for a full size run.

Full tilt, although owned by k2, is a relatively small company with very low R&D costs so far (all they had to do was buy the raichle molds from kneissl or whoever owned them last) and they operate on a low budget. They have done no other real modification to that mold whatsoever.

I would like to see what their international sales are like, but at this point in the game, I bet they are not making very much money. They are still setting up as a company, and it is much easier to produce off of existing molds than it is to create new ones.

They will probably sell tons of these "new" boots at low end retailers and to cheap customers, so maybe they will be able to pull together the money to build a wide mold in the future. Until then, there are other boots out there that ski just as well that fit a wider foot. But sadly, no, you wont have the same boots as tom wallish (sp?)