Thread: DPS Wailer 112RP (aka my wallet is in for a beating)

Question about drill bit size for the mounting. I have a hybrid ski. The FAQ suggests a 4.1mm bit; is that a must or could a 3.5 or 3.6mm bit be used

Did my first inbounds runs on mine today (184 Pures with sollyfits, skied with sth12s and Lange 120s today) at Alpental. I had previously done one longish tour with dynafits/factors with them, and realized that I had to detune the tips, which were catchy, but had fun on them. They skied heavier than they are that day (mix of nice packed powder and proto-corn. Really good), which was a very good thing. This made me eager to try them out on resort snow with alpine gear.

Disclaimer: I'm 5'7"ish, 140 pounds, and an average skier compared to the Alpy skiers on this board. I don't ski groomers much, and tour a lot.

Today was a legend pro kind of day at Alpental: fun groomers on the lower mountain with some icy spots, but plenty of edgeable snow as well. International (upper mtn) was chalky sweetness transitioning to packed powder bumps and then finally some medium stiff crud and then the groomer. Eager to get on big skis after months of touring, I skied my 183 Katanas in the morning. They were as solid as always, but heavy as fuck compared to the meadow-skipping stuff I use to tour, and my legs were getting a bit worked.

Enter the 112s. The first couple groomer runs were promising. I knew they'd be quick due to the shape and carbon (I have pre-SS wailer 105 Pures as well), and they certainly were. What surprised me was that they continued to ski heavier than they are. By that I mean damper and more stable on hard snow than I expected. They aren't the Cadillac the Katanas are, but the difference between the two was far, far smaller than I could have hoped for. Fun, energetic, active and confident. When skied centered or the ball of foot (not the heels) they didn't chatter or provide too much feedback. When in the back seat (lazy), they definitely skittered where the Katana would simply slide. Good form corrected this.

Time to go up top. They were equally fun on the chalk and steep bumps on the upper mountain. Way easier to whip around and turn quickly than the Katanas. The one area where the Katana was better was the same place they were on the groomer: when hitting an icy patch, if I wasn't exact with my form, the 112s skipped rather than slid sometimes. This is likely due to the combo of the torsional rigidity and very sharp edges. Once the edges dull, i expect this effect to decrease.

The biggest surprise was on the shallow, stiffish crud in the lower part of the run. I expected the 112s to be somewhat terrifying here based on my experience with the 105s and 1st-gen Megawatts. Not so. The quick turning ability seemed to offset the decreased dampness compared to the Katanas. When fully in the driver's seat, they did great. Damp enough, quick.

Given that it was a day I'd ordinarily not expect to even bring this kind of ski, I was very impressed. The true resort test will be a crowded day with a foot of 32-degree pow. This is where the Katanas kill: float and destroy. Can't wait to get these into the conditions I bought them for: powder in tight trees.

Originally Posted by Bird Blaster

Question about drill bit size for the mounting. I have a hybrid ski. The FAQ suggests a 4.1mm bit; is that a must or could a 3.5 or 3.6mm bit be used

If you are like me you have already mounted them.

I used a 4.1 on my hybird cause that was the info available at the time. I see now that the Pure is recommended to use 4.1 and the hybird 3.5 bits.

I did use plenty of epoxy and hand tightened, as usual, till everything was snug and tight. No spinners.

YMMV

Originally Posted by scottyb

If you are like me you have already mounted them.

I used a 4.1 on my hybird cause that was the info available at the time. I see now that the Pure is recommended to use 4.1 and the hybird 3.5 bits.

I did use plenty of epoxy and hand tightened, as usual, till everything was snug and tight. No spinners.

YMMV

thanks scottyB

did you use a marine epoxy?

Originally Posted by Bird Blaster

thanks scottyB

did you use a marine epoxy?

Why yes I did, WEST Systems to be exact. It is formulated too excel in wood & laminate wet out used in high stress sailboat applications.

Good shit and deffinetly worth the extra $$ to have around. I have used it for years on composite kayak laminations, wood paddle repair and a pantload of other stuff.

so I finally got 2 days on the new 184 pures, I am 5'8" 165lb/ 4 frt deadbolt demo'd/ 4 buckle overlap Dallbello surge with intuitions/ mounted on the line, I think 184 was the right size to buy, I am a fading advanced skier and up till now the 185 JJ was my favorite ski

Conditions were shit, an 85km windstorm had closed the hill/scoured almost 2 meters of snow off the mountaintop down to bedrock and down the lee slope into inconsistant windpack pow crust smoo and some nice cordroy groomers thrown in

People were tomahawking/faceplanting everywhere BUT the pures did great, any turn any conditon any speed anywhere, the bases are fast, the ride is always great ... simply put the ski is always just right for me

I haven't demoed that many skis, I didnt demo the pures so I spent > twice what I have ever paid for a ski entirely on impulse

yeah I would buy them again

I'm looking to trade my mint, undrilled 190cm Wailer 112rp hybrids for recent year Lotus 138 pures in 192cm.

Crosspost: http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...52#post3458752

I am looking to trade my new and unmounted 190cm Wailer 112rp hybrids for a recent year Lotus 138. Since DPS is sold out of them till December 27th here's a chance to get some earlier.
X-post from Gear Swap

See this grainy photo of sun baked snow?



First few turns ever on my 184 Wailer 112 Pures.

And so the day went on over to the shaded north side.

With intentional understatement: these skis were clearly designed for skiing.

Oooooooh yeah.

Little 112 stoke from today's corn harvest on Hood:

Are you sharing your skins between your Wailers and a pair of Lotus 138?!?

Pures are a pleasure to break trail with in pow.

Broke a boot deep to knee deep skin track over about 2100' today by myself in dry snow. Best powder skinning ski I have used thanks to the width/eight ratio. The healthy rocker up front lifts the ski really well when breaking trail as well. The fukkers float on the way up!

No comment of ski performance as I didn't get anything steep enough for more than 5 consecutive turns.

Finally got out on my 112 hybrids over the weekend, in a crummy thin snowpack comprised entirely of facets (and buried logs). I thought there would be some difficulty as the TGR hype machine can overstate awesomeness, but these things should really be renamed the Zombocom 112s. You can do anything at zombocom, anything at all. The only limit is yourself.

besides the hit on my wallet the only complaint I got is slivers where the edges of the ski are knocked together so I try and handle them wearing ski gloves

but they are really expensive super light- weight slivers

just got out for my first day on the 112 hybrids, in less than ideal, vail called it "powder" conditions. they are unbelievable. enough said. stiff and enough sidecut to rip down even boilerplate (maybe not quite). some gaper asked about them and said he would like a pair, and asked if i mounted them so far back because they are a powder ski? they are at midsole...

13 days on mine...pures...these things get a lot of attention wherever I go......mix of resort, 1 tour and 3 days cat skiing in the Monashees(which was great)....everything from tracked out icy resort days to several inches of untouched in the BC.....love these skis everywhere.

Originally Posted by eastvailshoots

some gaper asked about them and said he would like a pair, and asked if i mounted them so far back because they are a powder ski? they are at midsole...

Not really a gaper question, actually. The RP's mounting line is fairly far back compared with a lot of other modern pow skis. Definitely helps plane the tips in pow.

Originally Posted by XXX-er

besides the hit on my wallet the only complaint I got is slivers where the edges of the ski are knocked together so I try and handle them wearing ski gloves

but they are really expensive super light- weight slivers

I have a few of them from edges slicing past the shovel (paddle!) when skinning a lot. So far not bad.

Also found that you really need to keep the wax up to them. I had dry bases after some use and multiple removal of skins. They were annoyingly slooow traversing a decent distance on unconsolidated dry snow last week.

Taught an avalanche class on them yesterday in deep snow (annoyingly deep). With skins on was able to flit about setting up scenarios all day like I was walking on water. So little load on my legs for so much support in deep snow.

Originally Posted by Hohes

Also found that you really need to keep the wax up to them. I had dry bases after some use and multiple removal of skins. They were annoyingly slooow traversing a decent distance on unconsolidated dry snow last week.

+1. I hit a flat traverse in deep snow last week after a runout and came to an abrupt stop while my two partners rocketed across and into the trees. I am one of those guys who doesn't look at his ski bases for months at a time but that doesn't cut the mustard with these.

That's a fairly small quibble, otherwise I give them high marks.

Originally Posted by JoeStrummer

+1. I hit a flat traverse in deep snow last week after a runout and came to an abrupt stop while my two partners rocketed across and into the trees. I am one of those guys who doesn't look at his ski bases for months at a time but that doesn't cut the mustard with these.

That's a fairly small quibble, otherwise I give them high marks.

Graphite carbon bases. Stiff, fast, hard. Lube needed.

I've started seeing other people in Yurp on these - word is getting out

Apologies if this has been covered before...

Do the Marker crampons (113mm, on Barons) work with the Wailers, or should I be looking into a B&D custom solution?

crampons are core

Originally Posted by khyber.pass

Stiff, fast, hard. Lube needed.

quoted for truth