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Thread: Intrawest rolls out WP plan
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10-21-2004, 06:10 AM #1
Intrawest rolls out WP plan
went to slick presentation on the village plan for WP. It's pretty ambitious with the goal of making Winter Park more like WP.
Anyway cool (I guess) stuff is new 6pack nest year to replace Summit, new 6pack in 06 to top of Parsenne bowl plus glades/trails on Swede ridge, new chair on backside Parsenne in 07 plus glading. This is all happening while they do Phase 1 of the village to be complete by 08-09.
Other interesting news is they bought the Vintage hotel (located right at the base of WP) to convert to employee housing.when your cool the sun shines all the time
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10-21-2004, 06:19 AM #2
Do you really live in Tabernash?
More gauze pads, please hurry!
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10-21-2004, 06:26 AM #3Originally Posted by snowfun
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10-21-2004, 06:50 AM #4
6 packs are cool? I am such an old nerd.
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10-21-2004, 07:10 AM #5
A sixer to the top of Parsenn?? That's crazy-talk. Doesn't seem like that little bowl could possibly hold that kind of traffic. The glades will be cooked in an hour and patrol will be peeling lots more folks off the trees.
What about MJ? Any changes announced that are different from previous news?
edit - I'm as confused as Roo about the Winter Park like WP thing.Last edited by jibij; 10-21-2004 at 07:13 AM.
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10-21-2004, 07:43 AM #6
I THINK he ment WB as in Whistler/Blackcomb
- Excessive, obsessive gear questioning 10 yards, loss of down
- Not using techtak 5 yards
- Excessive spraying 10 yards loss of down
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10-21-2004, 08:11 AM #7
More antiseptic base accomdations for Winter Park, courtesy of the Intrawest Try to Be Like a European Village Even Though Our Development Is Bland and Kitsch Department.
A lot of people earn their turns. Some just get bigger checks.
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10-21-2004, 08:24 AM #8
I saw some pictures of the first "resort" that they are building in Europe - I think it's Switzerland? Imagine that fake Euro-village thing at the base of a real Euro mountain. bizarre
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10-21-2004, 08:28 AM #9
6 packs = bad news.
Long lines and quicker to be tracked up. Whoopee!Balls Deep in the 'Ho
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10-21-2004, 08:29 AM #10
I heard somewhare that they are planning on upscaling MJ too. Is that true? Are they gonna build condos & stuff over the old dirt parking lots?
"Have fun, get a flyrod, and give the worm dunkers the finger when you start double hauling." ~Lumpy
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10-21-2004, 08:39 AM #11Registered User
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Originally Posted by 72Twenty
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10-21-2004, 08:43 AM #12Originally Posted by Benny Profane
We actually have a lot of purpose built fake wood and stone resorts in the Alps, especially France. Resorts like Belle Plagne, Valmorel, Valfrejus, Plagne 1950, Arc 1950, Mottaret and Oz Station are typical of the low rise modern resort developments that took over from the hideous high rise eyesores of 1960/70s development (think Tignes, Val Thorens, Les Menuires, Aime La Plagne, Les Arcs etc).
For a fascinating insight into the difficulties in sprouting a new resort, have a look at this article on L'Alpe du Grand Serre.Last edited by bad_roo; 10-21-2004 at 08:48 AM.
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10-21-2004, 09:11 AM #13
wp like wp
Well actually the village plan is pretty cool, their plan is to not do the high-rise condo thing with retail in the bases. They are going to restore the Fraser river and make a pedestrian mall. They are going to build lower 2 to 3 story buildings for retail and they say 80% of th businesses will be momandpop. The "motif" is railroad and colorado mountains, not the swiss village aka Vail.
The whole idea they are selling is a place that is uniquely colorado and where locals and guests mingle. The idea of having employee housing at the base is to try to inject local flavor (and probably jump start the night life).
No plans to change MJ (other than new lifts). They don't own the land at the base so unless they cut a deal with the FS I don't see much happening. They are focusing on WP. I kinda agree new lifts to the top will track things out faster on weekends especially but waiting to ride the old lift to the top was not a great thing either.
Also down the road plans are to expand further into Vasquez area, mostly lifts and trails on the ridge west of Little Vasquez creek (aka Mountain goat trail). This is one of my hunting areas but oh well.
I do live in Tabernash, lucky me! Looking for snow tonight.when your cool the sun shines all the time
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10-21-2004, 09:21 AM #14Originally Posted by snow2knight
All sources just about as plausible as Intrawest's mktg department.I should probably change my username to IReallyDon'tTeleMuchAnymoreDave.
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10-21-2004, 09:24 AM #15
Thanks for the info snow2knight. I was wondering if that was you in the first post.
Hopefully we can make a few runs together again this season. Mine won't start until January, but most or all of it will be spent at WP/MJ and Copper.
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10-21-2004, 09:33 AM #16Originally Posted by teledave
With WP and Fraser locals pushing in one direction and Intrawest pushing in the other, hopefully they meet somewhere in the middle and the resort and neighboring towns thrive while maintaining most of the current flavor.
Is it the best possible outcome?... obviously not, but it's the best they've got.Last edited by jibij; 10-21-2004 at 09:35 AM.
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10-21-2004, 09:39 AM #17
the whole thing sucks if you ask me. I don't know why the city had to enter into a contract with interwest in the first place. Now, instead of a lowkey place for denver area families to come up and ski on the weekends, we have some sort of vail / copper mountain / whistler blackcomb mega development catering to tourons and tansplants from the midwest with money.
representin is illmatic
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10-21-2004, 09:41 AM #18Originally Posted by juicy
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10-21-2004, 09:42 AM #19
yeah Jibj, the old name was corny the new one is just dumb but I'm not that creative. Hope we can do some skiing this winter, I'm also hoping to find some folks to explore powder stashes to ski with my sleds.... Rollins Pass.
Anyway I am sure folks in the Fraser Valley and elsewhere will bitch about Intraworst but you can't please everyone. Those I know doing this at the local level for WP are sincere and really do want the best for the hill, but now that the City of Denver is out of it they have to make money also. Progress>>>when your cool the sun shines all the time
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10-21-2004, 10:31 AM #20Originally Posted by snowfun
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10-21-2004, 11:31 AM #21Permanent JONG
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Originally Posted by snow2knight
You might want to read "Downhill Slide" to get an understanding of what sort of businesses are really going in at Intrawest developments. They may look like mom and pop sorts of places, and they may even be owned by the locals, but believe me, there will be absolutely no local control over the village businesses.
Intrawest has a very detailed plan for their villages. Not just: "a restaurant next door to a sports store", but more like: "a fast-casual mexican restaurant next to a snowboard store catering to the young adult crowd." There's really no place for the truly funky mom and pop type places that you see in real towns. Think about it, have you ever seen anything truly unique in an Intrawest Village? There aren't any coffee shop/mountaineering combos, or pet supply stores, or anything else that you would find in a truly organic village. Everything has been carefully planned to extract the maximum amount of money from the guests. Ever notice how there's always a late night snack place located right next to the busy clubs? The contracts that tenants sign include all sorts of little details so that, for example, if the owner of the chocolate shop decides that he also wants to start selling waffles, Intrawest can evict him, since his waffle business isn't part of their village plan. If you look closely, an Intrawest Village has a lot in common with the Main Street USA section of Disneyland. The intrawest version feels a little bit less manufactured because the stores are owned by individuals instead of one company, but everything is still tightly controlled
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10-21-2004, 11:49 AM #22Originally Posted by juicy"Have fun, get a flyrod, and give the worm dunkers the finger when you start double hauling." ~Lumpy
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Originally Posted by 72Twenty
Don't forget A-Basin and Loveland. Both are low-key and near Denver.
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10-21-2004, 01:27 PM #24Originally Posted by snow2knight
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10-21-2004, 01:31 PM #25Originally Posted by jibij"Can't vouch for him, though he seems normal via email."
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