Thread: Khalid Sheik Mohamed Trial

in Manhattan.

I can only conclude that someone stupid enough to decide that wants the publicity or dare I say attention to the trial?

The water boardings etc..

Personally, I think its no good for anyone in that town.

Originally Posted by Cono Este

in Manhattan.

I can only conclude that someone stupid enough to decide that wants the publicity or dare I say attention to the trial?

The water boardings etc..

Personally, I think its no good for anyone in that town.

Ditto. wrong venue and gives a forum for this fuck to stir the hornets nest.

Yeah, the rule of law in this country is so outdated. We should just shoot the motherfucker in the head tomorrow - he admitted guilt after all.

Originally Posted by Tippster

Yeah, the rule of law in this country is so outdated. We should just shoot the motherfucker in the head tomorrow - he admitted guilt after all.

Actually he should have just been shot in the head when he was captured. That would sure solve a lot of these issues. Catch a bad guy kill a bad guy. None of this capture, half bake torture, fake trial shit. No prisoners.

This should have been done right off the bat. Get around all of the enemy combatant crap. I mean seriously, is there any reason to not kill everyone we find at a terrorist training camp?

The problem isn't what should and what should not have happened - the problem is what didn't.

not sure if I catch your drift

there are laws in this country, like them or not, and criminals have rights. the trial is where it belongs, if you want to establish yourself as a country of principal (i know there are a million other examples of how we are not a country of our principles, but i digress) you treat even the most heinous of criminals with the rights they are guarenteed. I was living 20 minutes outside of New York when 9/11 happened. The trial is where it belongs.

Yes, if he were a US citizen, you might have a point.

Originally Posted by Tippster

Yeah, the rule of law in this country is so outdated. We should just shoot the motherfucker in the head tomorrow - he admitted guilt after all.

This isn't/wasn't a civilian criminal act by one or two or even just a few people. It was an act of war. I'm sure there can be all kinds of debate about recognized foreign powers vs. civilians. Al Queda (Bin Laden) for all intents and purposes was the power in Afghanistan. They were acting in a manner to establish themselves as the governing body of the country, attempting to overthrow a foreign power. Why give the guy a platform to garner attention for himself ? Make himself a martyr for others of a similar mind ? This will be a recruiting tool for Al Queda.

Has nothing to do with rule of law tipp. I believe there's already been legal precedence for this type of action in the past. Shoot him in the head ? Maybe..... after all the evidence has been presented that shows he is in fact guilty.

The circus this will be, the costs it will incur for a city going broke, the potential for trouble this invites.

personally I hope the guy gets acquitted and released in NYC

the I've got the under on 2 minutes before he's beaten to death by an angry mob, a fate which would please me greatly

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Bonus points if he gets stoned to death

Originally Posted by laseranimal

personally I hope the guy gets acquitted and released in NYC

the I've got the under on 2 minutes before he's beaten to death by an angry mob, a fate which would please me greatly

Love the visual, but don't like the reality of mob rule.

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nor do I, but in this case I'd make an exception

for the guy who masterminded the plan to terrorize an entire city and cause death of 3,000 innocent civilians to be stoned to death by those same people would in my view be poetic justice

Originally Posted by OSECS

This isn't/wasn't a civilian criminal act by one or two or even just a few people. It was an act of war.

Nope - this was mass murder committed by civilians.

I'm sure there can be all kinds of debate about recognized foreign powers vs. civilians. Al Queda (Bin Laden) for all intents and purposes was the power in Afghanistan. They were acting in a manner to establish themselves as the governing body of the country, attempting to overthrow a foreign power.

What? The Taliban were in full control of Afghanistan. Al Qaeda was no different than the Michigan Militia - a paramilitary group.

Why give the guy a platform to garner attention for himself ? Make himself a martyr for others of a similar mind ? This will be a recruiting tool for Al Queda.

Well, because we have already established we didn't shoot the motherfucker so no matter what court we try him in there will be attention garnered. The difference is that a military court will be seen as a kangaroo court and have no legitimacy.

Has nothing to do with rule of law tipp. I believe there's already been legal precedence for this type of action in the past. Shoot him in the head ? Maybe..... after all the evidence has been presented that shows he is in fact guilty.

That precedence took place in Federal court in Arlington, VA. Bush tried 4 terrorists, some Americans like Lindh, some foreigners like Zacarias Moussaoui.

If dollars are a valid reason not to hold trials in this country then I'm wondering why we have a judicial system at all.

Originally Posted by laseranimal

personally I hope the guy gets acquitted and released in NYC

the I've got the under on 2 minutes before he's beaten to death by an angry mob, a fate which would please me greatly

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Bonus points if he gets stoned to death

maybe if it was texas (or the south) i could see it but east coasters were on 3 of 4 planes that didn't fight back?

personally the trial should proceed in NYC but no television closed court old style so there is no OJ like cult of personality built up around the Sheikh/Lawyers/Judge etc

waxman, that's not cool.

I would love to be on that jury. Too bad I am not eligible.

i'm with the others, he should have been shot resisting capture
we have a whole family of these twats that fight the jihad and then hide behind their "Canadian" citizenship when they are captured....

not cool? do you think the originating airports were chosen by accident?

Originally Posted by waxman

maybe if it was texas (or the south) i could see it but east coasters were on 3 of 4 planes that didn't fight back?

Conditioning. They were doing what they had been told was the right thing to do.

I would bet large sums of money that no plane full of Americans will be successfully hijacked again in our lifetime, regardless of what part of the country those Americans come from.

Originally Posted by waxman

not cool? do you think the originating airports were chosen by accident?

You are making a stupid assertion. The airports were chosen for logistical reasons, not because the hijackers expected the people on those planes to be of a certain disposition.

Originally Posted by Tippster

Yeah, the rule of law in this country is so outdated.

WTF does this have to do with having the trial in NYC? C'mon, Tippsy - I know you're not that stupid. Way to consciously read the wrong thing into somebody's post so you can talk about some unrelated douchebag shit. Yet again.

Totally agree with DB - this should have been taken care of in the field. In the absence of a time machine, tho, I concurr with Lazer. Aquittal would make glaringly clear that the way we handle things nowdays is ridiculously pussified and stoning by an angry mob would be a just end to KSM.

I think maybe the best way to deal with this would be in a large aquarium like at a zoo. Tie some bricks to his feet and put a harness on him so they could pull him out right before he drowns -- over and over until that gets old -- all the while observers laughing at him so he knows how much we love him. Then maybe there could be some other great ways to make sure the last few hours of his life are sheer terror. Cut off a few fingers... maybe his tounge. Cut a hole in his stomach, pull his intestines out and let him dehydrate -- but give him an IV drip before he passes. This could really be alot of fun for those who lost family members that lost people in 911. But I guess I'm not charge so I guess we'll have to have some rediculous trial.

Originally Posted by Rubicon

... The airports were chosen for logistical reasons, not because the hijackers expected the people on those planes to be of a certain disposition.

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they needed large aircraft, close to targets, with full loads of fuel, and empty of passengers.

Originally Posted by Cono Este

Yes, if he were a US citizen, you might have a point.

Way to bring the stupid. So no trials for non-citizens? I guess that means every visiter we have that gets accused of a crime gets no shake and should be sent immediately to gitmo. If every other nation treated US citizens in that way noone would travel ever. Dumbass.....

Originally Posted by buttfuckin

stupid..... visiter..... Dumbass.....

The mirror sure is a cruel mistress, isn't it dumbass?

Originally Posted by Rubicon

I would bet large sums of money that no plane full of Americans will be successfully hijacked again in our lifetime, regardless of what part of the country those Americans come from

Yep, not going to happen again.

If this tricked had been pulled on an El Al flight (Israeli airline) the planes would have continued to their destinations and when they landed the thousands of bloody peices of the hijackers would have been unloaded with their box cutters.

Originally Posted by Rip'nStick

Yep, not going to happen again.

If this tricked had been pulled on an El Al flight (Israeli airline) the planes would have continued to their destinations and when they landed the thousands of bloody peices of the hijackers would have been unloaded with their box cutters.

I'm unhappily Doubtful on that sentiment. I'd place a Vegas wager it'll happen again in some form. True on the El Al flight, the Israelis know a thing or twelve about security ! I don't think they're worried about civil rights and profiling issues.