praxis 09/10

**Zeppelinskier** · 11-19-2009, 12:45 PM

anyone catch wind of when the 185 pows are due?

**Tube Sag** · 11-19-2009, 03:02 PM

Ninja black 196 protests are in the mail.

**cyclerower** · 11-19-2009, 03:09 PM

please everyone post pictures who receives his skis. It'll probably take a while till i can get my hands on my 205s. I need some relief.

**TheDon** · 11-19-2009, 11:04 PM

205's Holy Balls?!!

**shralpingthegnar** · 11-20-2009, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by SkierHiker

Hey, I'll chime in here since H2O's are new for 2009/10. I'm waiting for mine too. Keith said they should ship this week so it looks like many of his skis are back from getting dialed in.

So, I'm thinking real hard about mounting Dukes on my H2O's. I've never skinned before but want to give it a go this year. Might take a 4 day course. I'll still be doing mostly in-bounds and side-country skiing but thought that the Dukes might let me get a bit higher on the side. Not sure though about backcountrying something that big. Alternatively, I have some STH 16's I can slap on them and then just bootpack up higher. Opinions?

Anybody else beside me and Trainwreck skiing with these? I'll update my experiences here and also on Twitter (SkierHiker). Follow me if you're interested. I'm in Washington and we're getting dumped right now.

Hola I'm doubting you will want to put dukes on this ski when you get it in the mail. I'm a good friend of the ski builder have been skiing on Praxis since the first prototypes. I've witnessed the creation of this ski and I find it hard to believe you want to tour on this ski! This is an enormous ski with a 165mm shovel. To each his own, but I would seriously reconsider using the 186 powder boards at the most, unless you have the legs of a mountain goat, and the balls of an elephant.

**EVC_CO** · 11-20-2009, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by kidwoo

It ain't rocket surgery.

Range for the 188s is 98-102

Just use the same ratio for the 196.

98/188 = 0.521, 102/188 = 0.542

0.521(196) = 102.1, 0.542(196) = 106.2

Range is 102-106 for the same boot placement relative to the 188s.

Used this for my mountain jib 183s based on the 188s I had. Works great.

I put my boot at 100 for the 188 protests I have. If I had it to do over again I'd probably go 101 from the tip. Just about everyone I know goes to the more rearward of his ranges. I even went beyond that on my mountain jibs before I liked them.

196 Protests should be waiting on my doorstep when I get home.

Still no mounting point range listed on the website for 196. Is the above sound? or should I just chillax until the info is set in stone? Last I heard from Keith he had to "think about it". discuss.

**Sphinx15** · 11-20-2009, 03:45 PM

In the formula above I'm a little forward for both my 187 mtn. freerides and my 195 pows. I'm at 101 and 104 respectively. If I had to guess, I would say 105/6 would be the sweet spot for the protests at 196...FWIW I love the pows at 104 but am going to remount my freerides back a bit...

**EVC_CO** · 11-20-2009, 05:21 PM

196 Protests in hand and they look

S I C K

gonna wait for an official mounting recommendation, not gonna ski em this week anyway.

**AltaAndy** · 11-20-2009, 05:37 PM

ninja 196 Protests are here, KAPOW!

They are sick! Can't wait to mount 'em up

**azzure** · 11-20-2009, 05:40 PM

196 Protest in the house.

Look sick, Keith has really got it dialed for 2010.

**kidwoo** · 11-20-2009, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by EVC_CO

196 Protests should be waiting on my doorstep when I get home.

Still no mounting point range listed on the website for 196. Is the above sound? or should I just chillax until the info is set in stone? Last I heard from Keith he had to "think about it". discuss.

It's sound if you want the same relative mounting point as the 188s. Same ratio of tip and tail and all that.

Personally I think the back of all Keith's ranges is where you want to be.

I went 2cm outside of his range for my mtn jibs after trying them first at the back end of his recommendation.

My 188 protests are mounted at 100. If I had it to do over again I'd try 101 but I'm certainly not complaining about where they are.

I used the same formula after figuring out my 188 mtn jibs when mounting a pair of 183s for bc use. It definitely put me in the right spot.

**Zeppelinskier** · 11-20-2009, 06:00 PM

177 Freerides are mounted and 96, just fine.

**SkierHiker** · 11-20-2009, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by shralpingthegnar

Hola I'm doubting you will want to put dukes on this ski when you get it in the mail. I'm a good friend of the ski builder have been skiing on Praxis since the first prototypes. I've witnessed the creation of this ski and I find it hard to believe you want to tour on this ski! This is an enormous ski with a 165mm shovel. To each his own, but I would seriously reconsider using the 186 powder boards at the most, unless you have the legs of a mountain goat, and the balls of an elephant.

Yeah, that's what Keith said too. I have never skinned so I don't have a clue. My thought was to use them for in-bound and side-country skiing and gear them to skin up a little if I was with a group who wanted to. But realistically how often does anybody do that? There's probably more boot up than skin up when you're skiing side-country, yes? I can only afford a one quiver setup right now so maybe I need to get out of my active imagination and back to reality.

Now, boots ...

**LightRanger** · 11-20-2009, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by kidwoo

It's sound if you want the same relative mounting point as the 188s. Same ratio of tip and tail and all that.

Personally I think the back of all Keith's ranges is where you want to be.

I went 2cm outside of his range for my mtn jibs after trying them first at the back end of his recommendation.

My 188 protests are mounted at 100. If I had it to do over again I'd try 101 but I'm certainly not complaining about where they are.

I used the same formula after figuring out my 188 mtn jibs when mounting a pair of 183s for bc use. It definitely put me in the right spot.

I had my Protests at 101, but they were mounted tele. I think R/R skis (or close...) suck for tele, and I skied them mostly parallel and felt my mount at 101 was good. I think I'm going 101-102 for Dukes this season.

**Vt-Freeheel** · 11-21-2009, 05:06 AM

Originally Posted by SkierHiker

I don't have a clue? Yeah, that's what Keith said too. So maybe i need to get out of my active imagination and back to reality.

word4321

**Core Shot** · 11-21-2009, 05:19 AM

Its too bad Keith doesnt feel comfortable to come back here and face a shitshow.

Hopefully this years production is right on schedule and he can come back to chine in and offer advice without fearing someone yells at him to quit playing on the computer and get back to work on the ski press.

I love all my Praxis, even the ones I got rid o since they did not fit my quiver.
Keith builds a great ski.
I dont' know him other than to know his product and to exchange a few emails.

Glad he kept the Backcountry in the lineup. I think that is the uber-versatile ski for any and all conditions.
It isn't loose enough to slarve like a banana, but it can slarve a little and can handle damn near anything.
Plus its waist is very reasonable for skinning and touring.

**The Dad** · 11-21-2009, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by SkierHiker

I can only afford a one quiver setup right now so maybe I need to get out of my active imagination and back to reality.

So start laying grounds for a quiver. Starting with not putting the most expensive bindings you can buy on a pair of skis that won't ever use them to your advantage. Save that money for a light AT setup.

**Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer** · 11-21-2009, 10:48 AM

BOOOOYAH!!!!!

Background on Praxis Experience: Unlike everyone last year, I had really no problems this year. About a month ago, I pinged Keith and talked to him about picking up a pair of Protests and Backcountrys for my inbounds quiver. We spoke for a while, and then I told him I was going to stop by the shop.

Went to the shop when he was pressing the 188 Protests. The whole process was cool and we talked about the Protests and Backcountrys. Hopefully he will take my advice on using the topo graphic for the Backcountrys this year!

Anyway, pulled the trigger on the 196 and that was that. I am hurt right now so I really didn't follow-up or anything. Not time sensitive for me. Arrived on Friday..... BC's to come in December.

Initial Impressions: Build quality is top-notch. Seriously haven't felt a ski feel this bomber out of the box! More importantly, the structuring on the bases is incredible. By partnering up with Start Haus this year, well..... that is a HUGE development. I tried to get a picture of the structuring, but couldn't really come out.

On to the Pics:

Entire front:

Entire back:

Poor attempt to show base structuring:

Front rocker:

Tail rocker:

Entire Rocker (note: this picture doesn't really do it justice..... Rocker is HUGE and the "Camber" in the middle is ever so slight - just a touch).

196 Protest against 188 Megawatt (note: I wish I had a scale, cause honestly the Protests feel as light if not lighter than the Megawatts)

196 Protest against 188 Megawatt:

196 Protest rocker against 188 Megawatt rocker:

UCL's 2009-2010 Quiver:

Inbounds:

196 Praxis Protest w/ Marker Duke w/ Garmont Endorphin - pow
190 Praxis Backcountry w/ Marker Duke w/ Garmont Endorphin - daily driver

Touring:

188 Black Diamond Megawatt w/ Dynafit Vertical FT-12 w/ Garmont Radium - pow
180 Black Diamond Verdict w/ Dynafit Vertical ST w/ Garmont Radium - daily driver, spring

PUMPED!!! Now if I can only get this knee to get better....

**Vt-Freeheel** · 11-21-2009, 06:51 PM

Thanks for posting the pics. ^^^^^ I am stoked for you. The base structure is visible in the first shot of the base and looks $$$$$$.
With the Protests shipping the Powder Boards cannot be far off.
and maybe it will snow in the east

**skew** · 11-21-2009, 07:50 PM

"Hopefully he will take my advice on using the topo graphic for the Backcountrys this year!"

Caveman: I have the topo top sheet on my BCs! Keith did if for me last year. It looks really good. I didn't get out on them much last year because my season ended. I'll put a pic up when I'm back in Utah in a couple weeks.

**skiaddict** · 11-22-2009, 02:16 PM

Still wating for my 175 and 195 Powder boards from the preorder.

Lucky guys that have already got the stuff. Last mail got a deliver date about january. Was a bit upset, but keith has some kind of problems running his business all alone right now.

Hope to get them this year.

**Skijunkie** · 11-22-2009, 07:30 PM

^^^Ditto^^^

I guess I'm cool w my 195's powder showing up january. Man I sure hope they don't come out as late as last year!!!

**Zeppelinskier** · 11-22-2009, 08:40 PM

I hope the pows go out before Jan...

**Jim S** · 11-23-2009, 08:07 AM

I have Rx Powder, Powder, and Mtn Freerides. I love 'em all.

The Mtn Freeride is a bit short for me at 187cm but it's playful and versatile. It was so much fun last spring and yesterday at Squaw.

I hope Keith pulls out of his slump. Unfortunately, he is not getting any PR. This weekend a big article in the Reno Gazette newspaper mentioned local ski companies and how riders are buying them for the quality, to support the infrastructure, the romance. The article mentioned PM Gear, Moment, and a snowboard company but not Praxis.

This little guy was loving the reverse reverse of my Praxis Powder in my garage this summer: